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[adodd81802]

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[visitor]

i've found that most people, more than anything, feel a need to be 'right'.  This is much more so w/ younger folks I have found, call it a product of the 'everyone gets a trophy' generation where as children they were told by everyone they are special, no one looses, they're the best, etc, even if they are not.
it creates a mindset of entitlement where they feel their opinion genuinely matters and is of importance (look at the comments thread of just about anything on the web, new story, blog, yt video, tweet, etc.), just look at book reviews, there can be a best seller wigth 15,000 positive 4 or 5 star reviews, critical acclaim, success in the market place for the author w/ other similar best selling works, yet someone on amazon or similar will feel a need to place a 1 star review and claim to call the book awful on this or that ground blah blah, again like they're special or something, which they are not. but that same mindset tends to follow said person in most of their interactions, so the quibbling and back and fourth you see here and elsewhere usually stems from their small mind not being able to accept that there is some possibility of an opinion or solution other than their own can that can have merit or value, again they feel they are special...

[outin]

Debating and even arguing are very much part of any internet forum. Things used to be much more controversial here, this place has become pretty tame. No 5 page  threads about piano technique 

 I'd say debates on interesting issues are always more entertaing than everyone agreeing with each other. So please do debate and be critical as long as you can present somewhat intelligent arguments.

[lostinidlewonder]

Welcome to the Internet.

You will find private messages much more valuable where people dont have an audience to show off to.

[pencilart3]

You will find private messages much more valuable where people dont have an audience to show off to.

I was about to type those exact words...

[dcstudio]

you know you are right adodd.. too much arguing.

I am guilty of this..  especially when someone is defending incorrect information--or is insistent that they know all the answers.  Just rubs me wrong.. and then I say stupid stuff...lol.  You are also right about being selfish with the piano...  lol.. but  I confess I do like a rousing debate..  which is why I joined piano street.. 

there is some good here, too.   We are not all bad..

[adodd81802]

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[swagmaster420x]

i've found that most people, more than anything, feel a need to be 'right'.  This is much more so w/ younger folks I have found, call it a product of the 'everyone gets a trophy' generation where as children they were told by everyone they are special, no one looses, they're the best, etc, even if they are not.
it creates a mindset of entitlement where they feel their opinion genuinely matters and is of importance (look at the comments thread of just about anything on the web, new story, blog, yt video, tweet, etc.), just look at book reviews, there can be a best seller wigth 15,000 positive 4 or 5 star reviews, critical acclaim, success in the market place for the author w/ other similar best selling works, yet someone on amazon or similar will feel a need to place a 1 star review and claim to call the book awful on this or that ground blah blah, again like they're special or something, which they are not. but that same mindset tends to follow said person in most of their interactions, so the quibbling and back and fourth you see here and elsewhere usually stems from their small mind not being able to accept that there is some possibility of an opinion or solution other than their own can that can have merit or value, again they feel they are special...

Maybe the person whos wrong is beign a total unequivocal **** idiot and it awards you pleasure to keep them spewing the most embarrassing empty brained drivel

[dcstudio]

Maybe the person whos wrong is beign a total unequivocal **** idiot and it awards you pleasure to keep them spewing the most embarrassing empty brained drivel

LOL.. there's nothing funnier sometimes...   but.. empty brained drivel gets old pretty quickly

[ted]

I cannot recall seriously debating anything with anybody in the thirteen years I have been here. This is mainly because I do not enjoy arguing, I am not very good at it, and can't be bothered with it. I take my music very seriously, but it has never been the neurotic, angst ridden battle for breath so frequently displayed here and, even more often, on Pianoworld.

I might be lucky, I suppose, but my music has never given me a bad moment. It is a personal manifestation of the psyche, consciousness, soul, whatever you like to call it, in abstract sound. To that extent, argument and debate have limited purpose anyway. Nothing about music is externally invariant or verifiable in the same way as mathematics and science are.

Oddly enough, my reason for being here so long is, in fact, unselfish, in that I want to help a few people get the same joy from their art as I have. I post a few recordings but I have absolutely no desire to promote my strange sounds per se.

Overall, I doubt I take myself seriously enough any more to engage in vociferous argument.

[Bob]

Some forums are like that.  People will tell you the exact opposite, get a teacher, etc.  I've even asked questions and specifically said I wasn't looking for one angle on the topic.  Response?  That specific angle I said not to mention.  And then people will argue with each other.

Here it's probably teens.  You can also have gurus or for teacher forums, retired teachers or people with years in their career, people who aren't used to being contradicted or questioned.  On the internet, everyone is essentially equal for replying to posts. "Correct" because someone said it and they're so and so doesn't count as much.

If someone's being annoying, probably just ignore it or model the behavior you want.

[dcstudio]

  You can also have gurus or for teacher forums, retired teachers or people with years in their career, people who aren't used to being contradicted or questioned. .

yes...lol.. that's very true.   and it can be very frustrating..  especially when it's about basic information or concepts.   Sometimes it doesn't matter how clearly you explain.. how much evidence you provide..  they still want to argue...  when there's really nothing to argue about.

[swagmaster420x]

What a stupid thread. For shame

[Bob]

Some forums are like that.  People will tell you the exact opposite, get a teacher, etc.  I've even asked questions and specifically said I wasn't looking for one angle on the topic.  Response?  That specific angle I said not to mention.  And then people will argue with each other.

Here it's probably teens.  You can also have gurus or for teacher forums, retired teachers or people with years in their career, people who aren't used to being contradicted or questioned.  On the internet, everyone is essentially equal for replying to posts. "Correct" because someone said it and they're so and so doesn't count as much.

If someone's being annoying, probably just ignore it or model the behavior you want.

Haha.  Just popping back in to agree with myself.  I was going to say just ignore it.  I actually don't see it too much on here unless I'm looking for it.  My mind must blank it out to some extent I think.

[minor9th]

Give an idiot a computer and anonymity, and just stand back and watch.

[Bob]

Haha.  Just popping back in to agree with myself.  I was going to say just ignore it.  I actually don't see it too much on here unless I'm looking for it.  My mind must blank it out to some extent I think.

Hey!... I agree with you too.  (I only read your posts actually.  They're the best.)

[georgey]

Hey!... I agree with you too.  (I only read your posts actually.  They're the best.)

This reminds me of a scene from the Jim Carrey movie “Man on the Moon” where Toni Clifton is reading out loud a script for an episode from the sitcom "Taxi" where Toni is to play a part in the episode. Toni Clifton says “Bullshit, bullshit, my line. Bullshit, bullshit, my line.”  You are all probably not familiar with this movie, but the “Bullshit” refers to the others actor’s lines in the script and the “My line” refers to Tony Clifton’s lines. I think we are all like this to some degree.

I think having a sense of humor helps when reading and responding to posts by others.

Also, I think it is important to not break the spirit of anyone posting here if possible.  Some people come here because they just discovered piano and are all excited and have nothing else in their lives, others are just looking for a pat on the back.  Some may have borderline mental health issues that we are not aware of.

Thanks to everyone that takes the time to help others.  Others may be benefitting a lot more from a discussion then they are willing to admit.

[georgey]

Clarification: I have not seen any hints of borderline mental health issues in anything that I have read here.  I have a family member that is struggling with some issues along this line though and so I mentioned it as a possibility.  Sorry about that.

Also, I was going to put the following in 4 separate posts in the style of “Bob self-discussions” just to be silly.   I will just dump them here instead.  Thanks for putting up with my silliness.

Good post.  But some of us here at pianostreet take our music very seriously.  How can we do this and have a sense of humor at the same time?

Good question.  I ask that you listen to the Beethoven Op. 131 string quartet for your answer.

Okay.  Thanks.  Also, I want to thank Bob for his great idea of having self- discussions.  They are great!

Well….  These discussions will get old fast.  I think you better get back to non-self-discussions.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

It's the Internet.

I've heard that pianoworld is much worse.  Although I don't know for sure cause I haven't been on there before.

[chomaninoff1]

I realize that this thread is quite old, but nice words, adodd.

I find myself just browsing threads a lot for the fun of it, when I could be using that time to be practicing.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.