Who taught Who?

[pianowelsh]

Hi Guys do you know of any sources that show in tree format the various schools of piano teaching ie Chopin Line of playing & Liszt & Beethoven etc?

[pianowelsh]

Come on guys! YOU are are all sitting out there brimming with knoweldge and refusing to 'share'

[Op. 1 No. 2]

Well, I know: Beethoven --> Czerny --> Liszt. 

[jlh]

Well, I know: Beethoven --> Czerny --> Liszt. 

Haydn --> Beethoven -->Czerny --> Liszt

Also,

Bach --> Bach --> Bach --> Bach 

[Brian Healey]

All I know about Chopin is that he studied with Zwyny until he was twelve, and then was on his own from then on, so:

Zwyny --> Chopin

Maybe someone else can expand that.


Peace,
Bri

[Sketchee]

Hi Guys do you know of any sources that show in tree format the various schools of piano teaching ie Chopin Line of playing & Liszt & Beethoven etc?

I don't know about tree format, but Wikipedia articles usually say who studied with who.  Keep in mind, many had more than one teacher.  Here are a few:

Leopold Mozart -> W.A. Mozart
Camille Saint-Saëns ->  Gabriel Faure -> Maurice Ravel

Chopin studied with Wilhelm Würfel after Zwyny

[sharon_f]

Check out the following link:

https://www.pedaplus.com/famous_a.html

[abe]

What if we traced back all the famous pianists and teachers back to the single teacher that started it all. Who would it be? Bach? Nay, Bernhard for sure!

[Brian Healey]

Chopin studied with Wilhelm Würfel after Zwyny

Hmmmm......I have a folio of Chopin's nocturnes that says this (in the little biographical blurb at the beginning of the book), and I quote:

"At a very tender age, he studied piano with Zwyny. By the age of twelve, he outgrew his teacher, and from then on, all his development in piano playing was without the aid of a teacher."

Although it does go on to say:

"When he was fourteen, after having composed for about six years, he started studying composition with Joseph Elsner."

No mention of Wilhelm Würfel. Perhaps he, like Elsner, taught Chopin in areas other than piano? I know these little blurbs don't always tell the whole truth sometimes, but I can't imagine that it would come right out and say something that wasn't true. I'm hardly any sort of expert on Chopin, I'm just going by what it says in the book.

Peace,
Bri

[Sketchee]

No mention of Wilhelm Würfel. Perhaps he, like Elsner, taught Chopin in areas other than piano? I know these little blurbs don't always tell the whole truth sometimes, but I can't imagine that it would come right out and say something that wasn't true. I'm hardly any sort of expert on Chopin, I'm just going by what it says in the book.

Peace,
Bri

A quick Googling of Wilhelm Würfel reveals that he was a piano professor at the Warsaw Conservatory who supervised Chopin in piano and organs.  These sources differ in how much influence and teaching Chopin had with the professor, but apparently the lessons were somewhat infrequent.  (Elser also taught at the Warsaw Conservatory. Chopin had entered the Converatory in 1826 according to the Cambridge Companion.)  Chopin's keyboard technique was mostly developed at this point by all accounts.

While looking this up I went through the Cambridge Companion to Chopin which says another connection (for the main topic): Alexander Siloti -> Sergei Rachmaninov and Felix Blumenfeld taught Horowitz