I can confirm that it is very difficult to listen to. The great thing about this work is that if it were played backwards, it would be equally appealing and most wouldnt notice.Thal
I can confirm that it is very difficult to listen to. The great thing about this work is that if it were played backwards, it would be equally appealing and most wouldnt notice.
I used to do that years ago with MED on the Amiga. A few lines of code can turn a piece upside down or back to front. I used to substitute video game sound effects for instruments too, had a lot of fun. Some pieces sound much better than others. Bach fugues sound all right reversed or upside down but ragtime and romantic stuff sounds unremarkable. Overall though, as with algorithmic composition, the results were not interesting enough to get me away from real playing on a real piano.
So did you find any evil messages hidden in the compositions?
I've been listening to a bit of Ogdon performing Opus Claviblablabla on Youtube, and the work is clearly the musical equivalent of James Joyce's Finnegans Wake.My opinion of the Finnegan book is exactly that expressed so memorably by the Brothers Judd:https://brothersjudd.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/reviews.detail/book_id/945/Finnegan%27s%20W.htm
HAHAHAHA I loaded that file up and played it back with a Steinway library and it sounded pretty much like a randomly chosen section of the original Sorabji stuff -- we should stick it on Youtube as a new interpretation of the work by an 'up and coming Chinese pianist' and see what happens
Here is something from the OC reversed Still sounds interesting lo0ol.
Some people clearly have too much time on their hands (or somewhere)...
Clearly? Maybe you haven't much experience with reversing midi files, it is a simple click of a button.
Much easier than chasing down people breaching copyrights.
I am not familiar with Sorabji or his OC. I did a little reading on this now. I was about to order a used copy of a 5 cd set of this work performed by Madge. It looks like it is a live performance and a sloppy performance, so I am a little hesitant to buy this. But I can get it for about $20 USD. The performance I want is Ogden, but this is out of print and used copies are selling for $800 usd.
The Ogdon recording is NOT out of print; it was released in 1989, weeks before the pianist's death and is still available today; try www.recordinsinternational.com .Best,Alistair
Brilliant and i feel vindicated. Play a Beethoven Sonata backwards and everyone on the planet would notice. Play this OC bollox backwards and it is actually an improvement.
You can talk such rubbish sometimes. This is a classic instance thereof.Best,Alistair
I was about to order a used copy of a 5 cd set of this work performed by Madge. It looks like it is a live performance and a sloppy performance, so I am a little hesitant to buy this. But I can get it for about $20 USD. The performance I want is Ogden, but this is out of print and used copies are selling for $800 usd.
georgey,I wish you had read this review before making your purchase.https://www.musicweb-international.com/classrev/nov99/sorabji.htmI have the Madge recording and it is excellent.
Indeed I haven't (not least because I have better things to do) but I am aware of what's involved; still a waste of whatever time it requires, as far as I am concerned.
That's not difficult either, once one is accustomed to it, but it's also of much more use, tiresome though the necessity is - i.e. the re is a good reason for it to be done, which is more than can be said for cancrizanning (is that a word?) MIDIs.
That said, quite why some people upload copyrighted material to YouTube, for example, when it's an odds on certainty that it will get taken down I have no idea, especially given that such takedowns can and often do result in YT account closures.
Brilliant and i feel vindicated. Play a Beethoven Sonata backwards and everyone on the planet would notice. Play this OC bollox backwards and it is actually an improvement.Thal
All it takes is to press one button and its done, as far as I'm concerned less than 10 seconds to do it all is not a waste of time at all. Given that it was discussed to hear the music backwards and no one had heard it before I'm sure sharing exactly what it sounds like backwards was not a total waste of time for those interested. So your "clear" type of obsevation of people having too much time wasn't clear at all since less than 10 seconds really does not define a great amount of time to be wasted. It may not be difficult that wasn't the point, it is clearly much easier to deal with the midi reversing that was the point. It takes a lot more time chasing up copyright than reversing a midi which takes less than 10 seconds and does not require one to have a lot of time on their hands, clearly. Clearly also chasing down copyright requires a lot of time to invest if you are to catch them all, I see a number of examples on youtube which have not been taken down, better get busy!There are still a number of them out there still going and have not been taken down, perhaps because those defending the copyright are a little lazy to do so or haven't enough time to go search for them.
I am not alone though as others seem to agree with me.
It doesn't matter if it is played backwards or forwards or even inside out. It also is completely irrelevant who is playing it.I know you are knocking one out over the thought of a Powell CD, but It could equally be played by a deranged gibbon.
I don’t have any problem with someone not liking this work or any other work or composer or style of music or music itself. To be honest, this is something that probably won’t make my top 200 list, but I like to try to listen to new things every once in a while. I plan to hear this at least 5 times before changing the CD’s in my car.
The problem that I MAY have with this work without having heard it is its length. Does the composer expect the pianist to play it non-stop and the listeners to listen non-stop for 4+ hours? Is this music intended to be performed in 1 sitting without intermission? If yes, then this becomes a marathon for the performer and listener. I am no fan of that. How about 1st half one night with a 20 minute intermission? Then finish on a second night? Do any pianists ever perform selections of this work in a concert that also consists of other works?
What about the Ring cycle? Yes, the “Ring” cycle lasts 17 hours. But that's over several days, with days off between each of the four operas and long breaks after every act. Also, there are changes in scenery and singers and orchestration as well as a plot to follow – all missing in a solo piano piece.
... practising the gentle art of wasting time doesn't necessarily have to involve large amounts thereof.
You should not assume that no Sorabji uploads to YouTube have been authorised; there are indeed a few that have been uploaded by the artist concerned.
I do not expect ... that all unauthorised uploads will be found and removed ....
When such uploads are of material available on commercial recordings, their presence inevitably compromises sales of those recordings, so they need to be removed. That said, tere is no problem with short extracts of these on a "fair use" basis; indeed, I for one would encourage these.
Probably the longest single unbroken stretch of music from Sorabji is the second of his Second Organ Symphony's three movements, a big set of variations on an expansive theme that plays for almost 4½ hours; I attended the world première in 2010 and have to say that this movement felt like 1 hour 45 minutes at most.
So I don't argue. I merely point, laugh, and mock.
Thanks! For some reason though I get the message that I can't reach you site when I click on the link.
It seems illogical to call something a waste of time when it takes less than 10 seconds, quite a melodramatic statement. The use of the word "concerned" makes little sense here.
So you see that chasing up copyright is more difficult than me merely reversing a midi file which takes a few seconds which is not a matter of having too much time or an activity of wasting time.
You stated that me posting a reversed midi was clearly a matter of having too much time and then you further escalated your idea of time to state that it was a waste of time also, this has been refuted in two ways 1) that it took mere seconds and to call that having too much time or a waste of time is rather irrational and melodramtic and 2) there were people here interested in hearing it backwards, both reasons which make you idea that it is a waste of time or a matter of having too much time sound quite exaggerated.
Talk about wasting of time. Such a concert would be very small scale with few people managing to sit for that entire time and fewer even being interested to attend such things to begin with. It is rather sad that the performer would have invested countless hours preparing for such things only to be largely ignored.
Sorabji, Schoenberg, Boulez, Berg, etc. all that rubbish. Many nouns could be used to characterize that whole malodorous pile of notes, with the exception of one: 'music.'
Compared to Bach, the monumental pile of turd from the 20th century is just talentless peurile note spinning.
There is a useful purpose in checking and reporting copyright infringements, which is why it is not a waste of time.
... what is there to be gained from creating such a reversed file or listening to it?
So something requires a purpose to be not a waste of time, posting a reverse of the midi serves a purpose as it was mentioned by other posters. Perhaps not a purpose that you find useful though that is irrelevant as too is your suggestion that one is wasting their time doing such things.
If an action contributes to what others are discussing it is relevant to the thread and rather calling it a waste of time is not very useful observations.
Since others brought up the idea of it being listened to backwards it am just entertaining such an idea and allowing them to experience it in reality.
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