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What would you rather listen to?

Microwave Background Radiation hiss
8 (38.1%)
Sequentia Cyclica
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Voting closed: January 08, 2020, 12:08:48 PM

Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss (Read 8947 times)

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Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
« on: December 24, 2019, 12:08:48 PM »

Here is 12 hours of the hiss for free.
It is likely to last another 15 billion years which is about the same as Sorabji.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #1 on: December 24, 2019, 12:14:33 PM »
I'm not that keen on Sorabji, but that hiss sounds terrible - like loud air handlers on a poorly ventilated ship, just awful.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #2 on: December 24, 2019, 01:43:01 PM »
Without doubt, a modern-day classic.  ;D

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #3 on: December 24, 2019, 03:17:11 PM »
Without doubt, a modern-day classic.  ;D
Sorabji or the radiation?
The radiation was not discovered until 1968 so it is somewhat later than Sorabji's Primordial Bollocks.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #4 on: December 24, 2019, 04:11:22 PM »
Without doubt, a modern-day classic.  ;D
Who, Thal? Why, of course!

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #5 on: December 24, 2019, 04:14:38 PM »
The thread title appears to imply some kind of perceived competition between the two phenomena, only one of which involves composition, a piano and Jonathan Powell; as such, it seems pretty daft to me, especially since there is no conceivable connection between them.

Ah, well, it takes all sorts, one may suppose.

As for Sorabji's "Primordial Bollocks", I am unqualified to comment, since I have never seen them.

That said, Jonathan Powell's recording of Sequentia Cyclica reached position #2 in the Amazon hot picks list earlier today and has since dropped only to position #5 (see https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/new-releases/music/697386 ), which presumably counts for something; I didn't notice "Microwave Background Radiation Hiss" anywhere on that list, which likewise speaks for itself.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #6 on: December 24, 2019, 07:30:26 PM »



That said, Jonathan Powell's recording of Sequentia Cyclica reached position #2 in the Amazon hot picks list earlier today and has since dropped only to position #5 (see https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/new-releases/music/697386 ), which presumably counts for something; I didn't notice "Microwave Background Radiation Hiss" anywhere on that list, which likewise speaks for itself.

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You wouldnt find it on Amazon as it is free.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #7 on: December 24, 2019, 07:38:28 PM »
Almost 81k plays of it as well!

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«Reply #8 on: December 24, 2019, 07:39:24 PM »
The thread title appears to imply some kind of perceived competition between the two phenomena, only one of which involves composition, a piano and Jonathan Powell; as such, it seems pretty daft to me, especially since there is no conceivable connection between them.

The connection between them is that they both represent an almost endless racket.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #9 on: December 24, 2019, 07:41:11 PM »
Almost 81k plays of it as well!
A bugger site more than Sorabji will get.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #10 on: December 24, 2019, 09:58:47 PM »
You wouldnt find it on Amazon as it is free.

Thal
But I'm not looking for it! I'm quite happy for Jonathan Powell's recording to proceed and get the accolades that it deserves.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #11 on: December 24, 2019, 10:17:52 PM »
That hiss is so addictive...just listen carefully and after a while things start to happen and  it starts communicating to you.

Now I need to get the Sorabji recording for comparison. I'll get back to you!

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #12 on: December 24, 2019, 11:13:29 PM »
This is just *** GOLD!!!

I'm just going to sit back, eat popcorn and watch this thread devolve into a pissing match.


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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #13 on: December 25, 2019, 08:42:04 AM »
That hiss is so addictive...just listen carefully and after a while things start to happen and  it starts communicating to you.

Now I need to get the Sorabji recording for comparison. I'll get back to you!



Save yourself the torture and just listen to the ending.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #14 on: December 25, 2019, 09:51:04 AM »


Save yourself the torture and just listen to the ending.

Yeah, sorry to say it Alistair, but technically there's almost no difference between the above YouTube audio... and a trio of monkeys bashing the sh*t out of a piano.

That was HORRIFYING!!!

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«Reply #15 on: December 25, 2019, 11:15:16 AM »
It was a waste of ink and paper. 8 hours of meaningless bashing.
Not worth the money.
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«Reply #16 on: December 25, 2019, 04:13:59 PM »
It was a waste of ink and paper. 8 hours of meaningless bashing.
Not worth the money.
Thal
To you, perhaps, but why might you suppose that Jonathan Powell - an artist whom I know you admire and respect - has been prepared to invest so much time and energy in preparing his performances and recording of this work? Just curious...

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #17 on: December 25, 2019, 04:15:18 PM »
That hiss is so addictive...just listen carefully and after a while things start to happen and  it starts communicating to you.

Now I need to get the Sorabji recording for comparison. I'll get back to you!
At least you're preared to acquire it, even if your reason for so doing is questionable...

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #18 on: December 25, 2019, 04:17:09 PM »
Yeah, sorry to say it Alistair, but technically there's almost no difference between the above YouTube audio... and a trio of monkeys bashing the sh*t out of a piano.

That was HORRIFYING!!!
I have to say that I have never encountered any number of monkeys doing anything at a piano; presumably you have, so feel qualified to pronounce upon it.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #19 on: December 25, 2019, 04:19:29 PM »
It was a waste of ink and paper. 8 hours of meaningless bashing.
Not worth the money.
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Not your ink. Not your paper. Not your practice and preparation. Not your efforts in preparing the score edition or making the recording. Not your problem, then.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #20 on: December 25, 2019, 05:51:23 PM »
To you, perhaps, but why might you suppose that Jonathan Powell - an artist whom I know you admire and respect - has been prepared to invest so much time and energy in preparing his performances and recording of this work? Just curious...

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Perhaps because he likes playing to half empty halls and low CD sales.
Perhaps that is why he was publicly talking about finding another job.
He needs to play more late romantics and less of this inane note spinning.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #21 on: December 25, 2019, 06:09:59 PM »
At least you're preared to acquire it, even if your reason for so doing is questionable...

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I actually like most of the Sorabji works I have heard so it would not take much to convince me to get it. I simply think Thal has chosen to not open his mind to sounds and music that do not fit his perception of meaningful. That includes the hiss.

Of course that is perfectly ok, I feel the same way about Mozart and Beethoven...to me most of their works are waste of airspace...

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #22 on: December 25, 2019, 06:37:24 PM »
I actually like most of the Sorabji works I have heard so it would not take much to convince me to get it. I simply think Thal has chosen to not open his mind to sounds and music that do not fit his perception of meaningful. That includes the hiss.

Of course that is perfectly ok, I feel the same way about Mozart and Beethoven...to me most of their works are waste of airspace...
I have tried though. I did sit through half a live performance of the OC.
My God I was glad to get out of that hall.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #23 on: December 25, 2019, 07:10:42 PM »
Lmaooooooooooooooo
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #24 on: December 25, 2019, 11:35:58 PM »
I think the trouble with me is that I am too broadminded and have a problem rejecting anything. I rather liked the above ending and listened to it several times. Yes, I shall consider buying that recording in the new year if I have any money left after Christmas. But then it's only about the cost of half a dozen hamburgers isn't it. I like a lot of old fashioned music too though, and in general feel that "both" is a more satisfying and stimulating aesthetic stance than "either/or" when it comes to art and music. 
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #25 on: December 26, 2019, 12:56:03 AM »
I have to say that I have never encountered any number of monkeys doing anything at a piano; presumably you have, so feel qualified to pronounce upon it.

No problem... I am glad I could give some insight into this thread.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #26 on: December 26, 2019, 08:01:20 AM »
The hiss appears to be winning. Rightly so.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #27 on: December 26, 2019, 01:47:17 PM »
Perhaps because he likes playing to half empty halls and low CD sales.
Perhaps that is why he was publicly talking about finding another job.
He needs to play more late romantics and less of this inane note spinning.
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He plays plenty of Romantics and late-Romantics; Liszt Sonata and other works, several late Chopin pieces, all the Rachmaninoff Études-tableux and second sonata, Szymanowski, second sonata and B flat minor variations, various works by Medtner and Godowsky, Albéniz's Iberia and Granados' Goyescas, to name but a few.

Sorabji might represent "inane note spinning" to you (fine if that's how you fee about it) but doesn't to others and, if that's all it was, why would Jonathan bother with any of it?

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #28 on: December 26, 2019, 01:51:17 PM »
I have tried though. I did sit through half a live performance of the OC.
My God I was glad to get out of that hall.
Good for you for giving it a go. But you don't have to like it. Lots of people don't like Bach either.

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«Reply #29 on: December 26, 2019, 01:51:57 PM »
The hiss appears to be winning. Rightly so.

Thal
I neither know nor care, frankly.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #30 on: December 26, 2019, 03:02:43 PM »
I neither know nor care, frankly.

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If that were the case, you would not be posting in this thread.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #31 on: December 26, 2019, 05:42:11 PM »
If that were the case, you would not be posting in this thread.
Why so? I can have an opinion and express it just as can anyone else here or elsewhere. The hiss nonsense is just that - nonsense. If some members here want to have hissy fits they're welcome to do so. I can express my view whether anyone agrees or not, just as can anyone else here - and I have done.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #32 on: December 27, 2019, 08:11:19 AM »
That is a terrible thing to say about the hiss.
It is far superior to anything written by Snorabji.
You are a hissist Sir.
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«Reply #33 on: December 27, 2019, 09:53:51 AM »
That is a terrible thing to say about the hiss.
It is far superior to anything written by Snorabji.
You are a hissist Sir.
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I did not comment upon the hiss itself; my reference to "nonsense" relates specifically and clearly to the notion of comparing it to any piece of composed music.

Again, what you express about it is your opinion alone (to the extent, if any, that it can be taken seriously and believed as a genuine opinion) and clearly not shared by the artist concerned, or by anyone involved in the recording project Including those who are financing it), Amazon classical hot picks or indeed anyone planning on purchasing copies of the discs.

Nothing wrong with you expressing a personal opinion (as long as that is what it is), provided that you recognise that others take a different one.

I do not know what a "hissist" is but am nevertheless certain that I am not one such.

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«Reply #34 on: December 27, 2019, 02:34:50 PM »
This is just *** GOLD!!!

I'm just going to sit back, eat popcorn and watch this thread devolve into a pissing match.

A hissing match, surely?

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«Reply #35 on: December 27, 2019, 02:39:29 PM »
Another diametric difference between the two is implicit in the thread title; the hiss is and is meant to be in the background whereas the very opposite would have to be be said of Sequentia cyclica.

Moreover, whereas radiation characterises this hiss, there are passage of true radiance in Sequentia cyclica.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #36 on: December 30, 2019, 07:22:57 AM »
Great, if you can tolerate 8 hours of dross to find them.
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«Reply #37 on: December 30, 2019, 12:09:40 PM »
Great, if you can tolerate 8 hours of dross to find them.
"Dross" in your opinion, of course! Might it not have occurred to you that Jonathan of all people would not likely have spent the many hundreds of hours preparing his performances and recording of this piece had it consisted mainly of "dross" with just a handful of radiant passages in there somewhere? You don't have to like the piece - of course you don't! - but do at least try to give Jonathan due credit for his musical judgement as well as his extraordinary playing...

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«Reply #38 on: December 30, 2019, 03:37:27 PM »
If he had a greater musical judgement, he wouldn't be playing crap like this to half empty halls.
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«Reply #39 on: December 31, 2019, 09:06:20 AM »
If he had a greater musical judgement, he wouldn't be playing crap like this to half empty halls.
The number of people who attend concerts of any music is very much down to the effectiveness or otherwise of the marketing. That said, I assume from what you write that you respect Jonathan's playing but not his judgement as to what he chooses to play; is that the case?

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«Reply #40 on: December 31, 2019, 11:16:38 AM »
For once you are correct.
Had to happen eventually.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #41 on: December 31, 2019, 11:17:34 AM »
The number which attend the concerts I think is irrelevant to the pianist. If you look at his interactions with others online (eg: youtube) you will see he doesn't care who knows him or follows his music.

Btw, good luck marketing piano solo music which goes on for hours on end for a concert program, I would think that bit of information would turn off those who would have otherwise unwittingly purchased a ticket (only to walk out before the end).
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«Reply #42 on: December 31, 2019, 12:23:22 PM »
The number which attend the concerts I think is irrelevant to the pianist. If you look at his interactions with others online (eg: youtube) you will see he doesn't care who knows him or follows his music.

Btw, good luck marketing piano solo music which goes on for hours on end for a concert program, I would think that bit of information would turn off those who would have otherwise unwittingly purchased a ticket (only to walk out before the end).
Be all of that as it may or may not, the good luck that you mention in terms of marketing might as well be directed towards Piano Classics (a division of Brilliant Classics), the record company that is knowingly about to release a 7-CD boxed set of one Sorabji piano work shortly to be followed by a 2-CD boxed set of another and, some time later this year, a further CD of shorter Sorabji pieces - and, for that matter, also towards the long established Swedish record label BIS, which is soon to issue Vols. VII & VII of Sorabji's 100 Transcendental Studies; Brilliant / Piano Classics are both commercial businesses that, whilst I doubt that they anticipate making fortunes from these recordings, have nevertheless to make commercial decisions as to what they take on and release.

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"The number which attend the concerts I think is irrelevant to the pianist"
There are certainly cases where this not merely applies but simply has to apply. I recall an especially egregious example in which I attended a performance of a large-scale Sorabji piano work years ago in a prestigious festival in a hall that holds well over 2,000 and located in a large European city but only 50+ people turned up for it; this was hardly surprising, however, since the festival organisers had done all of the publicity for it using the wrong date for the performance and failed to notice this until it was far too late.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #43 on: December 31, 2019, 12:59:48 PM »
So it's a tie for now ;D

I rather like the ending. It has a very strong rhythm kind of resembling the end of a Liszt piece to my ear. I find it interesting to have a strong rhythm while having a "crazy" harmony. The opposite is also interesting -- having a good melody which changes key signature every half a second gives a nice destabilizing effect.

The microwave background hiss is just static. There is no sense of development. ;) On the other hand, maybe I'll work the Scriabin ending into one of my improvisations someday.

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #44 on: December 31, 2019, 02:05:02 PM »
I rather like the ending too. It's like being in the final 2 minutes of a 30 year prison sentence.
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #45 on: December 31, 2019, 04:09:52 PM »
I rather like the ending too. It's like being in the final 2 minutes of a 30 year prison sentence.
That begs at least two questions.

1. Would you think to describe it as such if you did not know that it is preceded by around 500 minutes of music?

2. Have you ever experienced a 30 year prison sentence and, if so, are you accordingly able to testify to what its final two minutes feels like?

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #46 on: December 31, 2019, 05:28:51 PM »
1. No
2. 20 years at the Co-op is pretty close.
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«Reply #47 on: December 31, 2019, 05:40:19 PM »
1. No
2. 20 years at the Co-op is pretty close.
1. I'd thought not!
2. Ha ha!

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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #48 on: December 31, 2019, 07:20:33 PM »
I note Sequentia is currently in the lead...
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Re: Sorabji vs Microwave Background Radiation Hiss
«Reply #49 on: December 31, 2019, 07:27:49 PM »
I note Sequentia is currently in the lead...
Definitely more interesting than white noise.