Data

[samwitdangol]

Do you say data or data?

[ahinton]

Do you say data or data?

You say data and I say data.

Let's call the whole thread off(!)...

Best,

Alistair

[samwitdangol]

You say data and I say data.

Let's call the whole thread off(!)...

Sorry. I don't understand what you mean; you can call me an idiot. Was my post offensive or something?

[dogperson]

Sorry. I don't understand what you mean; you can call me an idiot. Was my post offensive or something.

The post was a reference to an old song:  ‘let’s call the whole thing off’. Which highlights many words that are pronounced differently  0.41 below
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J2oEmPP5dTM

So either pronunciation of data is acceptable.  BTW, I use a long A as in hate

[samwitdangol]

The post was a reference to an old song:  ‘let’s call the whole thing off’. Which highlights many words that are pronounced differently  0.41 below
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J2oEmPP5dTM

So either pronunciation of data is acceptable.  BTW, I use a long A as in hate

Oh, okay. Thank you!

[ahinton]

Sorry. I don't understand what you mean; you can call me an idiot. Was my post offensive or something?

For the record, I was calling you nothing of the kind, your post was in no sense offensive and dogperson has answered what needed to be answered above.

Best,

Alitair

[samwitdangol]

For the record, I was calling you nothing of the kind, your post was in no sense offensive and dogperson has answered what needed to be answered above.

Yes, I know. I was just saying that you can call me an idiot for my inability to comprehend what you wrote. For some reason, when I read your reply, I thought you had found something offensive. Sorry for any misunderstandings!

[samwitdangol]

I hope I haven't set a bad impression on anybody. I only just joined yesterday.
I'm sorry if I ever come across as rude; it's probably because I didn't understand something that someone said.

[ranjit]

Is there any particular reason why you posted this on a piano forum? Not that there's something wrong with it, it's just an odd place to post this, don't you think?

I mean, I get that this is the "Anything but piano" section, but still 

[samwitdangol]

Is there any particular reason why you posted this on a piano forum? Not that there's something wrong with it, it's just an odd place to post this, don't you think?

I mean, I get that this is the "Anything but piano" section, but still 

I don't really know why I decided to post it here.

I just went through the "anything but piano" section and it's abundant with strange, random topics like this.

[dogperson]

I don't really know why I decided to post it here.

I just went through the "anything but piano" section and it's abundant with strange, random topics like this.

There is nothing wrong with posting it here—-  there are many stranger posts than this 😊

[j_tour]

There is nothing wrong with posting it here—-  there are many stranger posts than this 😊

Well in the opinion of this commentator, I've never seen any stranger post.

But, since I like variety, I conclude that the correct pronunciation is "deitɚr." 

[Bob]

I say like it..... not the A sound, not dAAta, but daaata.     It's not aw but aaaa    aaa-uh.

Now I'm saying it dAta though, with the letter A sound.... Dernit.....  If I'm not thinking about it, I'd saying daata.  How do you represent aa-uh?   Not A.  Not aw.  But aa-uh.  I guess I'll go with aa. 

So I say daata when I'm thinking about it.  When I am thinking about it, I say dAta with the letter A sound.

[j_tour]

I say like it..... not the A sound, not dAAta, but daaata.     It's not aw but aaaa    aaa-uh.

Now I'm saying it dAta though, with the letter A sound.... Dernit.....  If I'm not thinking about it, I'd saying daata.  How do you represent aa-uh?   Not A.  Not aw.  But aa-uh.  I guess I'll go with aa. 

So I say daata when I'm thinking about it.  When I am thinking about it, I say dAta with the letter A sound.

That's a good question.

I did use to teach linguistics to undergraduates for a few years, and I would be reamed out if I didn't do this right in front of students.

Unfortunately, I've forgotten all the IPA and I've never had any training as a linguist, just tools of the trade and practical coursework, at an elementary level, obviously.

That's /eɪ/ plus a little schwa or the caret symbol (I don't remember what the difference is between the ə and the ⋀ is, except they sound the same to me in the upper right after the diphthong.  The caret is supposed to be some kind unstresses something with the tongue in medial position, and I think the schwa is a little bit more back and higher, but also, obviously, unstressed.

i really don't remember at all how to transcribe in IPA, but it is a neat tool when used properly.  It's IMHO not so much a supernumery language, but just a tool to demonstrate using a chalkboard, or these days a whiteboard.

Did I mention I hate linguistics yet?  Those people are off their nut, more or less.  Don't believe me?  Go to a local university or college and try talking to a professional linguist.  They are not that good, IMHO. 

BUT, a good measure of professional linguists I've known have some pretty deft skills at mimicry.  You know, doing accents and such.  "Hey!  Linguistic!  Hit me with a Strasbourg accent!"  They can be pretty good at that.

Well, at least I remember how to spell "diphthong," so, got that going for me.

/*Sorry if the IPA symbols don't show up correctly.  They looked OK ab initio but I think they'res a bad moon rising with ither my browser or whatever rendering engine.*/

[Bob]

What still sounds off is, "These data show...."  It still just sounds wrong to me.

[samwitdangol]

It should be "this data shows."

It should be, "this data shows."

[j_tour]

It should be "this data shows."

I guess that could be allowed.  Especially in casual speech or writing where it doesn't really matter.

It's not as illiterate as the completely unfounded (nothing to do with Gk or Latin) pronunciation of "processes" as "prah-se-seez," which is an intolerable barbarism deriving from nothing.  That's as ridiculous as saying "hor-seez" for "horses."

You may view the entry in Quine's QED:  An Intermittently Philosophical Dictionary for an amusing brief discussion of the "processes" abomination.

But this is the internet, so some nerd is going to pedant you with "datum" vs "data."

I wouldn't, because it's small potatoes, but some people would.

What still sounds off is, "These data show...."  It still just sounds wrong to me.

Sure it sounds odd, I suppose.  That's what you get when you have a kind of bastard language like English.  Anyway, Top Men have decided! 

[samwitdangol]

What still sounds off is, "These data show...."  It still just sounds wrong to me.

Yes, it does sound very odd.

[samwitdangol]

It should be, "this data shows."

Oh wait, nevermind; that is incorrect. That is what I hear everybody say though.

[Bob]

Yep, it's weird that way.

Data is plural.  I'm hearing daa not daw for daata.
Datum is singular.  But I hear dAtum with the letter A sound.

https://grammarist.com/usage/data/
https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/07/data-is-or-data-are.html

I guess the singular vs. plural depends on the audience.  If it's a study, it's plural.  Common/Joe Blow/everyday use, singular. 

We're at the edge of the language here I think.

[j_tour]

Yep, it's weird that way.

Data is plural.  I'm hearing daa not daw for daata.
Datum is singular.  But I hear dAtum with the letter A sound.

https://grammarist.com/usage/data/
https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/07/data-is-or-data-are.html

I guess the singular vs. plural depends on the audience.  If it's a study, it's plural.  Common/Joe Blow/everyday use, singular. 

We're at the edge of the language here I think.

At the very brink of language.

I like to use ketamine on my tongue...

Never mind.

I agree with you, for "DAYtum."

There's such a strange history of pronouncing latin.

Actually, for a sort of amateur forestry/naturalist guy it infuriates me every single day, the corrupt pronunciations in "scientific" taxonomy. 

And there's the ecclesiastical pronunciation, which I also think sucks.

I think we have to blame Erasmus:  at the cusp of humanism, he alone, perhaps, had the authority to inspire correct tradition. 

So, I guess Erasmus's children.

It's so messed up.

pseudotsuga menziesii

I blame the pommie English primarily. 

Your tastes may differ.