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Offline bernhard

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Pentagon strike
on: April 10, 2005, 11:28:56 PM
Has anyone seen this?

https://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

Any opinions?

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #1 on: April 11, 2005, 12:32:25 AM
Here's an article from the site that hosts that video.
https://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/hyperdimensional_realities.htm

Apparently the influence of 7 'Archangels' causes historical cycles. ::)


Anyway, for a good takedown of the 9-11 conspiracy theories, I reccomend this article from popular mechanics.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #2 on: April 11, 2005, 07:55:03 PM
I find conspiracy theories interesting. Most are just a bunch of bunk.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 07:57:40 PM
Speaking of which, America blew up the twin towers just as the planes were colliding. There is much evidence to suggest this.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 08:04:13 PM
Speaking of which, America blew up the twin towers just as the planes were colliding. There is much evidence to suggest this.

what proof?

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 08:08:27 PM
I always found it strange the terrorists were able to hit the pentagon.

But beware, that flash movie attempts to use propaganda techniques. Notice the Hitler speech at the beginning. I wouldn't trust the 'facts' they state.

I think the only room for discussion is: did they know it was going to happen and did they let the terrorists execute the attack. And 'they' can mean alot of things. If they did know, which is still unlikely, I don't think Bush himself knew.

It seems to me that both the Clinton administration as the Bush administration didn't really care about terrorist attacks.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 08:11:52 PM
I always found it strange the terrorists were able to hit the pentagon.

But beware, that flash movie attempts to use propaganda techniques. Notice the Hitler speech at the beginning. I wouldn't trust the 'facts' they state.

I think the only room for discussion is: did they know it was going to happen and did they let the terrorists execute the attack. And 'they' can mean alot of things. If they did know, which is still unlikely, I don't think Bush himself knew.

It seems to me that both the Clinton administration as the Bush administration didn't really care about terrorist attacks.

I am not sold that the administration new it was going to happen.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #7 on: April 11, 2005, 08:32:56 PM
So what, the Pentagon just has cable spools laying around the yard ?
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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #8 on: April 11, 2005, 08:45:54 PM
So what, the Pentagon just has cable spools laying around the yard ?

I didn't quite understand what was so significant about the spools.  How are spools of cable related to missiles?
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Offline silva

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #9 on: April 11, 2005, 08:51:19 PM
once they release the video footage (or if) Ill be convinced.....

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #10 on: April 11, 2005, 08:53:21 PM
Speaking of which, America blew up the twin towers just as the planes were colliding. There is much evidence to suggest this.

Such as?

I was two blocks away, and saw it happen. You're full of cr*p.
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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #11 on: April 11, 2005, 09:06:11 PM
I didn't quite understand what was so significant about the spools.  How are spools of cable related to missiles?

I agree. I don't understand what the relation is. Maybe this is johnny cockren (sp?) showing the Chewbacca defense? HMMMM.....

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #12 on: April 11, 2005, 09:14:26 PM
Maybe because eye witnesses said the plane touched the ground first.

The plante didn't have any effect on them.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #13 on: April 11, 2005, 09:23:36 PM
Well, whatever hit the Pentagon and in whatever fashion is not what I am wondering.  I am wondering what those spools are doing there in the first place.  If the significance is that they were unaffected, then they were sitting there before the crash.

So, again, the Pentagon just has cable spools regularly laying around, or what ?
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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #14 on: April 11, 2005, 09:42:56 PM
Speaking of which, America blew up the twin towers just as the planes were colliding. There is much evidence to suggest this.

Guys, I'm pretty sure this was just a joke.
I didn't quite understand what was so significant about the spools. How are spools of cable related to missiles?

It's just showing (I think) that those things which people may assume is part of a plane is just some construction materials (remember, the pentagon was under renovation at that time.)

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #15 on: April 11, 2005, 09:43:49 PM
They were reconstructing the pentagon at that time. I guess they were new electric or telephone wires or something.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #16 on: April 12, 2005, 01:08:55 AM
what about the people that were missing from the plane?  i thought body parts, etc. were found?  the relatives would  probably have been first to believe this theory if they could not believe the plane hit.

not being there, i would trust eyewitnesses and relatives who soon went to the site to try to find out what happened.  tom clancy often has novels with interesting plots and twists that a terrorist mind might take (with adequate and novel approaches to finding and fighting the terrorists).  i suppose surprise hits are more interesting to them.  we cannot forget to pray that we be 'worthy to escape all these things.'  this is just a foretaste of how ugly war is.  someday it may come full force?  we don't know the day or the hour (only God) but sometime, we may deal with the same terrible situations that Iraq and other countries have.  we have to be prepared spiritually, because there really is no other form of protection in nuclear war or any other modern warfare.  i've often wondered, though, about taking more red cross certification because in war you have very bad situations that need dealing with immediately.  if everyone panics, then there is an even worse situation.

even if the next few year are only weather related troubles (taking into account the severe storms in the past several years), one still may need to keep a separate place for insurance paperwork, social security numbers, birth certs., etc.  i have sent packages several times to relatives and asked them to keep them in a safe place.  i don't rely only on preparation, but it comes in handy even in a fire or natural disaster.  warm clothing and blankets in the car can't hurt.  and, re-stocking first aid kits and things to keep children busy for awhile (books and toys).

do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #17 on: April 12, 2005, 12:22:16 PM
Guys, I'm pretty sure this was just a joke.
It's just showing (I think) that those things which people may assume is part of a plane is just some construction materials (remember, the pentagon was under renovation at that time.)


I don't know if it was a joke or not. There is a guy here at school that is all in the conspiracy theories. He believes everyone of them. He watched Fahrenheit 911 and believes like its a Bible. What he has told me of the movie (I haven't seen it personally), it is full of propoganda and unbelievable claims. Take for instance, when the twin towers were hit, Pres. Bush was reading to children. We have a video tape that shows some security whispering in his ear what is happening. He sits for a second, then begins to read again, but quickly finishes. Because he doesn't get up immediately and run around in panic he must of knew it was happening and probably even did the acts himself. That is a bunch of crap. You can't prove that just because he didn't move in the way you felt he should, what he was thinking.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #18 on: April 13, 2005, 02:58:46 PM

Take for instance, when the twin towers were hit, Pres. Bush was reading to children. We have a video tape that shows some security whispering in his ear what is happening. He sits for a second, then begins to read again, but quickly finishes. Because he doesn't get up immediately and run around in panic he must of knew it was happening and probably even did the acts himself.


Er... actually, I watched the movie and have understood this passage in quite another way. I think, this should just show that Mr. Bush is an incapable President because he does not even react for 10 minutes or something when the US are hit. The movie, as I can recall, did not state in any place that the Bush administration has caused the named attacks...
Still, I think Fahrenheit was more or less abunch of propagandistic and suggestive movie clips, I was quite disappointed by the way the "facts" were presented... Not very serious, for me...

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #19 on: April 13, 2005, 04:51:01 PM
Er... actually, I watched the movie and have understood this passage in quite another way. I think, this should just show that Mr. Bush is an incapable President because he does not even react for 10 minutes or something when the US are hit. The movie, as I can recall, did not state in any place that the Bush administration has caused the named attacks...
Still, I think Fahrenheit was more or less abunch of propagandistic and suggestive movie clips, I was quite disappointed by the way the "facts" were presented... Not very serious, for me...

i think that some people create conspiracy theories out of the conspiracy theories presented in movies like Fahrenheit.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #20 on: April 13, 2005, 05:03:57 PM
https://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/

Any opinions?
I hate to believe, or take seriosuly, any such third-third-party reports on major issues like these.
1) Motive behind these clips are unknown, which could mean any sort of spin on propoganda.

2) Any number of facts could have been missed, only adding to deception and eventually, rumors.

3) Poorly made movies like these have little actual value, other than the obvious entertainment value (and to get you to start thinking on your own).

Aside from that, it was interesting to hear a new take on the pentagon attack (no, I had never heard of this particular conspiracy theory) but lacked any real substantial value.
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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #21 on: April 13, 2005, 08:27:21 PM
I hate to believe, or take seriosuly, any such third-third-party reports on major issues like these.
1) Motive behind these clips are unknown, which could mean any sort of spin on propoganda.

2) Any number of facts could have been missed, only adding to deception and eventually, rumors.

3) Poorly made movies like these have little actual value, other than the obvious entertainment value (and to get you to start thinking on your own).

Aside from that, it was interesting to hear a new take on the pentagon attack (no, I had never heard of this particular conspiracy theory) but lacked any real substantial value.

here is what I found funny. The site kept quoting about people saying it sounded like a missile. how would they know? Do missiles fly by your house all the time and you can recognize the sound?

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #22 on: April 13, 2005, 09:25:55 PM
Aside from that, it was interesting to hear a new take on the pentagon attack (no, I had never heard of this particular conspiracy theory) but lacked any real substantial value.

A poll a German magazine did a few months ago showed that 20% of Germans believe that Bush had some level of involvement in the 9/11 attacks. ::)

There also was a best selling book in France about how no plane hit the Pentagon.
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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #23 on: April 13, 2005, 09:37:40 PM
A poll a German magazine did a few months ago showed that 20% of Germans believe that Bush had some level of involvement in the 9/11 attacks. ::)

There also was a best selling book in France about how no plane hit the Pentagon.

what? why in the world does Europe care?

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #24 on: April 20, 2005, 11:07:01 PM
er...

Having read this thread after a couple of weeks, I am still asking: "what is your opinion?"

1. Did a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon and "vaporised" on impact as the official version would have us believe? If so, how to explain the evidence on the video?

2. Or is your opinion that that video is fake and has benn "doctored" to elliminate any evidence of wreckage, damage to the lawn, etc.?

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #25 on: April 20, 2005, 11:10:41 PM
Have you ever seen the video of a plane flying into a concrete wall?  At those sppeds, the plane nearly disentegrates.  So, wheter or not the video was altered, i don't know, but its message is certainly bull.  Just another case of a bunch of dorks looking for attention.

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Re: Pentagon strike
Reply #26 on: April 22, 2005, 12:39:51 PM
er...

Having read this thread after a couple of weeks, I am still asking: "what is your opinion?"

1. Did a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon and "vaporised" on impact as the official version would have us believe? If so, how to explain the evidence on the video?

2. Or is your opinion that that video is fake and has benn "doctored" to elliminate any evidence of wreckage, damage to the lawn, etc.?



Video is a fake. I saw a picture on popular science and they showed the wreckage on the lawn.
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