Ououuouououououou...scary. Yeah, right. "This ought to shut you up"...you really spooked me there for a moment mate.
This is not music as my eyes see it (and my ears have already heard it). This is a chef salad (and an already stirred one) on paper.
Check previous posts Skepto. Any guy with basic music theory knowledge could come up with this at random, and any other with architecture in mind (in the case of Xenakis) could come up with pretty much the same result (and the same effect). I really wonder, if Xenakis saw a live performance of this piece, would he be able to spot possible wrong notes hit? If he really could, well, what can I say...he should be placed in the Guinness book for drinking too much caffeine. Because this thing doesn't adhere to any harmonic template that a sane ear can catch.
I am not sorry at all that I don't yield the "refined pallette" you mentioned before. In such cases, I would prefer to keep only the 7 basic colors on mine.Tell me this is impressionism and not music. I take back all of the above.
I am God.
And I'm sorry I don't have the musical sense or motivation to understand Xenakis' works... I'll try drink half a bottle of whiskey and see if it starts to make sense.
I love Xenakis` Evryali. I think that the teme is one of the best in music history and that the piece just becomes more beautifull for every time I listen to. it. What do you find so bad about it.? The only negative thing is that it is so difficult.
Even for someone who can`t understand impressionism(!!!!!!) you really shock me.
When you wrote impressionism I instently tought like probably every sane man(human being) that you meant impressionism. How stupid of me You are of course allowed to hate or like what ever music you want to. Saying the opposite is just stupid. but to call all classical music after Schoenberg stupid is even more stupid. I mean do you really think that le sacre primtemps(rite of the spring) is a stupid piece?Also first you say tha beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and than you say that Evryali is percussive piano at its worst?Also what do you think about other percussive piano music such as Prokofiev and Bartók?-The Mephisto
Toymaker - I wouldn't take anything Skeptopotomous says seriously - I mean for a guy who is only 17, who knows nothing about real world experience (only because he is 17), who probably never taught really classroom music teaching.... I wouldn't lose sleep over it. When he has some REAL experience about life.... We might start listening to what he has to say..... I hope. And I'm sorry I don't have the musical sense or motivation to understand Xenakis' works... I'll try drink half a bottle of whiskey and see if it starts to make sense.
they started it! *points* i just finished it ^^ok. so back to the question. does anyone believe there is a piece harder than evryali still?
And Pita... IGNORANCE??? I gave Impressionistic Music and Expressionism and Chromaticism and Minimalism a shot... Believe me I did... I studied it... because we had to, but I did everything to try and find something brilliant in it... but there isn't. Simple as that.
That Xenakis Piece you attached??? There is nothing spiritual or emotional in random notes and a whole lot of noise.
I always open the door for my boyfriend if that counts.
ok. so back to the question. does anyone believe there is a piece harder than evryali still?
Yes.Let me explain. Evryali is impossible to play. Therefor it can`t count.
If it's impossible to play, how do you explain the recordings?
Well, you might come to the conclusion that they faked it, much like Madge faked the OC.
To me, Evryali sounds like the overall effect is more important than the individual notes. I would also say that that applies to the English Country Tunes as well.
the stravinsky piece, i have heard, but not seen the score.its a completely different kind of music, stravinsky must be played with a prokofiev-like percussive touch and strength...godowsky must be played like bach, really. you cant simply play the notes, for it to work properly you have to have extreme finger independence to bring out the many voices.
Well what can you expect from someone whos name is pitabread. If you will read the hole link you may understand. First of the piece is laid out on fore staves and in some cases it is impossible to play all at the sames time therefor you have to choose wich(the smartest is of course to play the top) to play. And now go and read the link.-The Mephisto
Just because Peter Hill and Marc Couroux find it impossible to play doesn't mean it IS impossible. Giant intervals (13th's, 14th's) don't make a piece impossible, if you can't reach it, there's always the option of breaking the chord and taking the lowest as a grace. Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum hits 5 staves and is still clearly playable. Face it, no matter how insanely difficult it is, Evryali was designed to be humanly playable.
I am coming in on this late....But since everyone has their own ideas of what is music to them, some people might like Finnissy, and such, and yes taking it just as technical difficulty, it may be the most difficult. So I think a better question to ask is this. What is the most technically difficult piece, where you can still hum the basic melody? That eliminates works like Opus C, and Finnissy, and such. In my opinion, it would be Alkan Concerto for solo piano.
One of the most stupid things I have heard in my hole live. Musical value isn`t based on how easy you can remember the melodie and can hum it. The question is simply what is the most difficult piece, end of question.-The Mephisto
My point was there should be a discussion on difficult, understandable music. It's not a matter of being easy to remember the melody, it's a matter of having a melody at all!
I think that Godowsky has a lot of mental difficulity and I think that Alkan has more physical difficulity.My souces may be completly wrong but isn`t opus 76 no2 for the rigth hand a lone?-The Mephisto
I'm sorry if Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum is beyond your understanding, but the OC most certainly has a melody, and quite a few, at that.
thats what i said, and all piano playing is both mental and physical.do you basically mean that godowsky is more difficult to co-ordinate, and alkan is simply more tiring to the fingers and arms?