Religious Debate Room the Third

[chopiabin]

YAY

[Clare]

Yes, it looks like it.
Anyway, I couldn't think of anything more yucky than being all up in heaven watching as my descendents and everyone else finally get wiped off the earth as the human race eventually will, some millions of years into the future. I'm glad that when I die, that's the end for me.
But, ultimately, I don't think anybody's religious views are going to even change remotely due to this debate.

[schnabels_grandson]

Well said Clare, This whole debate exists only to satisfy everybody's vanity.  Everybody arguing on this thread has a proud and condescending attitude, and they are all right in their own minds.  Good for them.  I challenge all of you to prove your beliefs beyond a possible doubt.  Not a single one of you can do it (I can't either), so just give it up.  Don't give me crap about carbon dating or theories, none of this "faith" stuff either.  

To "Christians":  Hey, if you tell people about the bible and they don't accept it, you are not bloodguilty in God's eyes, as they are no longer ignorant of the consequences of failure to obey him.  

To atheists (or whatever you call yourselves) :  I don't see why you push your theories, because according to them, there is no God and therefore it makes no difference what you believe.    

If it's your thing to waste countless hours of your own and other's time, go ahead, continue to debate.  I just hope none of you are serious when you post your trash.  Futility!!!    

[eddie92099]

Did anyone in the UK see the programme Texas Teenage Virgins last night? It was a documentary about the town Lubbock in Texas, where teenagers take "purity pledges" to remain a virgin until they are married. The guy doing it was so unbelievably naive yet kept saying he was preaching the truth. In an interview, he said that condoms did not work since they had holes in. How are we meant to take these people seriously?
Ed

[chopiabin]

I highly doubt we are. My Spanish teacher told me the other day that she thinks it is wrong for people of different races to get married and have children. I thought that was funny because my father is Mexican and my mother is American (or a mutt  ). She said that was different.  My point is that I usually find that the stupidist people are those who are the most religious and the most dogmatic. Oh, pleases don't use Texas as a good example of the U.S., most of our country may be very dumb, but generally Texas takes it to a new level i.e. "Pres" Bush .


Chop

[chopiabin]

I think it is ironic that I just misspelled the word "stupidest"

[liszmaninopin]

Yes, this debate is mostly for amusement.  While it is true that none of us can prove our positions, we can feel that ours may be more justified.

That is indeed ironic.  Just a tad of advice that I've learned through some hideously embarrassing instances.  Never, ever correct anyone on their grammar unless you are very careful for some time afterwards to not make a mistake.  One time, I said to someone who was corrupting our language that he needs to be more careful with what he says.  Just a couple minutes later, I made a grammar goof, (entirely unintentional) but I certainly got a dose of humility when it was brought to my attention.

[eddie92099]

I do like to correct people's mistakes, but this is only appropriate since I never make any off my own,
Ed

[schnabels_grandson]

I do like to correct people's mistakes, but this is only appropriate since I never make any off my own,
Ed

Well said.  

[eddie92099]

Well said.

,
Ed

[liszmaninopin]

That is exactly what I meant!

[eddie92099]

It's like working with poorly trained monkeys ,
Ed

[chopiabin]

I have come to the conclusion that it takes innately intelligent and strong people to question values and beliefs that have been forced on them as a child.

By the way, what does everyone think about the latest Bush scandal (Paul O'Neill)?

[chopinetta]

By the way, what does everyone think about the latest  Bush scandal (Paul O'Neill)?

sorry, never heard. so what is it?

(sigh) living somewhere which is too far from real civilization sucks.

so tell me Christian faith defenders, why did God choose Israel to be his chosen country?? why not china (there were more people there). wonder what jesus would look like being chinky eyed.

[eddie92099]

chinky eyed

That cannot be politically correct,
Ed

[chopinetta]

so again, who's Paul O'Neil??

[liszmaninopin]

Apparently, like the evolution/creation debate, the religion debate has died, too.

[schnabels_grandson]

Posted by: Liszmaninopin Today at 4:34pm
Apparently, like the evolution/creation debate, the religion debate has died, too.  

Good riddance!  It's ironic that you posted that as I was listening to Faure's Requiem.  Not that anybody will want to remember this thread.

[liszmaninopin]

Actually, I was rather fond of it.

[schnabels_grandson]

My condolence then.

[liszmaninopin]

It lives!

[schnabels_grandson]

 I bet if you throw some fuel on, it will start right back up with tooth and nail arguments.

[liszmaninopin]

That's what I was hoping for.  What would be some other religious topics we could argue for variety?  The Koran, the New Age movement, Animism; it would make the debate more interesting.  We could turn it into more of a philosophical debate.  To begin the philosophical debate, I will say that any form of missionary activity, if not immoral, is a concept I object to.  Also, some of the ideas of the New Agers are pretty radical in  my opinion.

[liszmaninopin]

I guess missionaries aren't really a philosophical debate, but oh well...

[schnabels_grandson]

I guess I'll help you out even though I hate debates of this kind with violent passion.

That's what I was hoping for.  What would be some other religious topics we could argue for variety?  The Koran, the New Age movement, Animism; it would make the debate more interesting.  We could turn it into more of a philosophical debate.  To begin the philosophical debate, I will say that any form of missionary activity, if not immoral, is a concept I object to.  Also, some of the ideas of the New Agers are pretty radical in  my opinion.

I would not go so far to say that missionary efforts are immoral.  If you look at it from the church's point of view, missionaries are spreading christianity in an effort to "save" mankind.  I'm not sure what you mean by "new age", are you talking about spiritism?  Psychics?  Elaborate please.

[liszmaninopin]

I meant the alternative belief systems that seem to have some popularity these days.  One of the thoughts of many people who are into alternative beliefs is that of reincarnation.  I suppose it can't be argued against, but I don't believe it to be the case.  Also, I find that those people who declare that there is no absolute truth are declaring a truth themselves.  I don't know what truth is, but something must happen to us when we die.  We either die and that's it, or reincarnate, or go to some "heaven" or another, or something else.  Whatever happens would be the truth.

[schnabels_grandson]

I would say then that reincarnation is bogus.  Who comes up with this stuff?  If reincarnation is a real occurence, where do "new" people come from?  How does the population grow if everybody has lived before?  Do only some people get reincarnated?  If so, how is it decided who gets another shot at life?  There is no evidence to suggest any sort of afterlife.  I think that when you die that's it.  For reasons based in the bible, I believe that there will be a resurection of the dead and a subsequent judgement of all by God.  

[liszmaninopin]

There is no evidence to suggest any form of afterlife.  I think when you die that's it.

I was at first shocked when you wrote this, as I had always thought of you as an ardent Christian.  Your next statement clarified this, however.

You know who I think comes up with alot of these new philosophies?  Creative people with a desire of fortune.  It's simple:  just create a feel-good philosophy, write a book about it (make sure it includes a special eating regimen of some sort-people like those nowadays), stick lots of pictures of smiling, healthy people of various ethnicities all over the cover, and take it to a publisher.  Magically, you become a guru of some kind or another with your own little flock of eager followers to whom you can sell expensive merchandise.  Retire to Arizona, join a golf club, and repeat process.

[schnabels_grandson]

I knew that would be a little confusing, but I figured people would understand.

I think you are right.  It's a get rich quick scheme that really works .  This "debate" is not as intense as I expected it to be.  I guess we'll have to wait until others see that this thread has been revived.  

[liszmaninopin]

Yes, we have to wait until all our European friends join us.  Anyway, we boosted our post counts a little bit, no?

[schnabels_grandson]

Yes, Do you know at what number I will become a senior member?  

[schnabels_grandson]

Nevermind, I just looked on the PF website section and found the answer.  Right now, I'm just one post away.

[liszmaninopin]

I think you mean full member.  I think it was today or yesterday I became a senior member, I guess the total is around 250.

[schnabels_grandson]

Yeah, that's what I meant.  Voila! Full member!

[schnabels_grandson]

I guess you need 101 to bee full.  I feel like I've cheated.

[chopiabin]

IT LIVES!!!!!!!!!

Reicarnation comes from Hinduism.

If anyone still care, Paul O'Neill is the former White House Secretary of the Treasury who was fired and then showed the press documents dated 10 days after Bush's ascension to the throne that showed that he had been planning the war in Iraq from day 1, although he said in his campaign that he didn't believe in nation building. (this is so grammatically incorrect)

Apparently, his administartion also worked with British intelligence to spy on the UN to influenece vote fro Iraq.


Gen 6, do you consider yourself a Christian?

[schnabels_grandson]

Gen 6, do you consider yourself a Christian?  

Yes.

[chopiabin]

Yet you don't believe in life after death? What is the point of following Jesus? If it doesn't matter, why couldn't you follow the moral principles and not the actual faith in salvation? What sect of Christianity are you?

[schnabels_grandson]

Posted by: Chopiabin Today at 11:14pm
Yet you don't believe in life after death? What is the point of following Jesus? If it doesn't matter, why couldn't you follow the moral principles and not the actual faith in salvation? What sect of Christianity are you?  

I said that I believe in a resurection.  I guess this would be life after death, but not what is normally meant by the term.  I also believe in an impending war of armageddon.  I feel that this war is coming soon, very soon.  If I don't honestly attempt to live by the standards of Jesus, I will probably not survive the climactic conclusion of the world as we know it.  After this battle, which the bible foretells will have God as the victor, the dead will be resurected and judged by God according to their deeds.  I don't know what you mean by " why couldn't you follow the moral principles and not the actual faith in salvation?".  
I do not belong to any "sect".    

[liszmaninopin]

That's different.  Most Christians I know believe that as soon as they die, they go right to heaven; and everybody else goes right to hell.

[eddie92099]

I also believe in an impending war of armageddon.  I feel that this war is coming soon, very soon.

Muppet,
Ed

[schnabels_grandson]

Muppet,
Ed

Jim Henson.  Why do you write random words like that?

[eddie92099]

Why do you write random words like that?

They are not random words. I am calling you a muppet,
Ed

[liszmaninopin]

I have learned how to resurrect a thread.  Just get people arguing or name calling, and one can really get the post counts up.

[schnabels_grandson]

Oh.  Why should you call me a muppet when you are one possibly to a greater degree?  What if I turn out to be right?  What if you end up dying prematurely never to enjoy living again?  Your condescension provides you with a measure of gratification now, but I will have the last laugh.  Muahahaha.  

[schnabels_grandson]

Before you get your panties ruffled, I should tell you that I wasn't being serious just now.

[eddie92099]

Before you get your panties ruffled, I should tell you that I wasn't being serious just now.

I was,
Ed

[liszmaninopin]

Ed, I might suggest that if you want to change somebody's mind, calling them names probably doesn't help much.

[schnabels_grandson]

I was,
Ed

Wow.

[liszmaninopin]

I don't know.  I thought that this thread was up and going again, but it isn't the same as before.  Oh, well....