Come to my piano camp

[ramibarniv]

I believe you must have been very lucky.
What have you learned of Bernhard ?

I guess I'm lucky to be lucky.
I've learned of Bernhard that you guys were mocking him until he left the forum.

Ibty was as arrogant as you when he first came here.
He has changed. Can you?

Of course I can, I'm actually a very nice person, but when attacked I react.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[ramibarniv]

I've kept quiet for some time, and sat back and observed. Speaking as an adult who attends, from time to time, piano camp/summer school, and therefore presumably the sort of person that Mr. Bar-Niv is seeking to attract, I think I'd now like to say why I wouldn't go to his piano camp.

1) Geographical reasons.
2) More pertinently: Mr Bar-Niv seems to come with a considerable amount of "attitude". I appreciate that it can be unfair to judge someone's persona from what they say on an internet forum. Equally, I understand that he's attempting to promote himself.
There's no doubting that Mr. Bar-Niv is a perfectly respectable pianist, and may well be a decent pedagogue also, but I'm sorry; I'd prefer someone with a little more humility and a touch less condescension.

Mr. ronde_des_sylphes,
It's people like you that I am not seeking to atract.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[thalbergmad]

Indeed, you would not want anyone in your camp that could play you under the table.

Thal

[shortyshort]

Mr. ronde_des_sylphes,
It's people like you that I am not seeking to atract.
Best,
Rami

I was just about to give you the benefit of the doubt. But, I now conclude that you are a complete prat.  

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Indeed, you would not want anyone in your camp that could play you under the table.

Thal

Thanks, Thal. For what it's worth, I happen to think Mr. Bar-Niv is a better pianist than I am. His response to my comment, however, defies belief. I wonder why he wouldn't want me at his camp. I'm sure my money is as good as anyone else's.

[shortyshort]

From his web site.

These are the type of people he wants to attract. 

[shortyshort]

I've learned of Bernhard that you guys were mocking him until he left the forum.

Did anyone else know this?

[tds]

rather pillowey

[ramibarniv]

Indeed, you would not want anyone in your camp that could play you under the table.
Thal

That's pretty silly.
I wouldn't want anyone in my camp who thinks I come with a considerable amount of "attitude" and says about me that he'd prefer someone with a little more humility and a touch less condescension.
Best,
Ramihttp://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[ramibarniv]

I was just about to give you the benefit of the doubt. But, I now conclude that you are a complete prat. 

I think the same about you too.

[ramibarniv]

...I wonder why he wouldn't want me at his camp. I'm sure my money is as good as anyone else's.

As I said above, I wouldn't want anyone in my camp who thinks I come with a considerable amount of "attitude" and says about me that he'd prefer someone with a little more humility and a touch less condescension.
Best,
Rami

[ramibarniv]

These are the type of people he wants to attract. 

FYI, these type of people are piano teachers and very serious players.
The one in the middle has 17 preludes and fugues of WTC book 1 memorized + many other pieces. The one at the top plays massive Brahms pieces. The one at the bottom performed at the camp's concert the Warsaw concerto.
Best,
Rami

[ramibarniv]

rather pillowey

This comment really shows your kindness and intelligence.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

As I said above, I wouldn't want anyone in my camp who thinks I come with a considerable amount of "attitude" and says about me that he'd prefer someone with a little more humility and a touch less condescension.
Best,
Rami

It looks like we have a deal 

[jakev2.0]

Mr. ronde_des_sylphes,
It's people like you that I am not seeking to atract.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

Umm, intelligent and courteous people with reasonable opinions?

[ramseytheii]

From his web site.

These are the type of people he wants to attract. 

Really, please don't descend into this kind of pettiness.  First of all you can't judge a book by the cover, and second of all anyone who goes to a piano camp to play and learn should be a friend to pianoforum.  You should be ashamed of yoru comments! 

BTW, in the end of their productive but ultimately depressing lives, Bartok and Schoenberg's students were destined to be just amateur musicians (for the most part).  In fact, many of those students were not even aware of the huge stature their teacher held in music history.  This is because of Bartok's unfailing modesty about his great piano-playing, and Schoenberg's ideas which were way above the level of any of his students.  You never know who you are talking to, or about, so it's better to treat with respect!

Walter Ramsey

[ramibarniv]

It looks like we have a deal 

Great.

[ramibarniv]

Umm, intelligent and courteous people with reasonable opinions?

Those I'd love and I do have them in camp.
Here on this forum I can judge people only from their posts and he didn't sound that to me.
Best,
Rami

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Those I'd love and I do have them in camp.
Here on this forum I can judge people only from their posts and he didn't sound that to me.
Best,
Rami

In which case you can perhaps understand the mental process by which I arrived at my less than wholly positive opinion of you.

If not, I'm sure I could quote some posts which contributed to my conclusions.

Anyways, it is ultimately of little importance, so best of luck with the pupils that you do get.

[ramibarniv]

In which case you can perhaps understand the mental process by which I arrived at my less than wholly positive opinion of you.

No, I can't. You arriving at your opinion did not mean that you had to voice it and that you had to do so publicly.

If not, I'm sure I could quote some posts which contributed to my conclusions.

You should also read (and quote, if you so choose) the posts that led me to write the posts which contributed to your conclusions and perhaps your conclusions would have been a little different, though I doubt it due to your initial post here which was uncalled for, just like all the other posts attacking me.

Anyways, it is ultimately of little importance, so best of luck with the pupils that you do get.

Thank you, this is a nice thing to say, for a change.
Best,
Rami

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Here on this forum I can judge people only from their posts and he didn't sound that to me.
Best,
Rami

Fair enough.

However, it seems you find it difficult to understand how I might get a negative impression from comments like:

Can you do better?
Best wishes,
Rami

in response to a remark which was far from a purely negative comment on your playing ie
[As for those youtube videos...they're definitely concert standard, but I'm not sold. Sorry.]

To say nothing of this..

I am definitely not less good then either of them.
Best,
Rami

(them being Michelangeli and Argerich!)

Now what I actually said, ie

More pertinently: Mr Bar-Niv seems to come with a considerable amount of "attitude". I appreciate that it can be unfair to judge someone's persona from what they say on an internet forum. Equally, I understand that he's attempting to promote himself.
There's no doubting that Mr. Bar-Niv is a perfectly respectable pianist, and may well be a decent pedagogue also, but I'm sorry; I'd prefer someone with a little more humility and a touch less condescension.

was a direct result of comments like the ones I have quoted above (and plenty of others also). If the teacher whose piano camp I have attended periodically were to come out with remarks like that, I think he would have lost credibility in my eyes. I am left with an impression which may be a wholly unjust reflection on you - I am quite prepared to admit this, as indeed my initial comment stated - but I arrived at it through reading your posts; and so I respectfully suggest that some of your comments are not doing your self-advertisement any good. Furthermore, I think that if you are going to make such comments on a public internet forum, you should expect that people are going to arrive at an opinion and may be inclined to voice it.

However, as I said, best of luck with your piano camp.

[ramibarniv]

I respectfully suggest that some of your comments are not doing your self-advertisement any good.

In your eyes and some others here. On the other hand, as I mentioned before, I've also had positive reactions to my posts and comments here, on line and privately.

Furthermore, I think that if you are going to make such comments on a public internet forum, you should expect that people are going to arrive at an opinion and may be inclined to voice it.

Yes, and that's the ugly part here, as there's no need to say negative things to and about someone who initially did not harm you in anyway.

However, as I said, best of luck with your piano camp.

Thanks again.
Rami

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Yes, and that's the ugly part here, as there's no need to say negative things to and about someone who initially did not harm you in anyway.
Thanks again.
Rami

I'm sorry; clearly I had not realised that you have the right to make self-aggrandising remarks without attracting criticism that can be construed in any way as negative.

P.S. As (odd though you may find it) I do not actually mean you any ill will, perhaps you could satisfy my curiosity on one question. If one of your pupils has significantly different views on interpretation to you (and can provide reasons to back up those views), how do you respond?

[ramibarniv]

I'm sorry; clearly I had not realised that you have the right to make self-aggrandising remarks without attracting criticism that can be construed in any way as negative.

Everyone has this right.

P.S. As (odd though you may find it) I do not actually mean you any ill will,

Thank you.

perhaps you could satisfy my curiosity on one question. If one of your pupils has significantly different views on interpretation to you (and can provide reasons to back up those views), how do you respond?

I'd be very happy. It does happen often. I don't force my interpretation on my students, I suggest things and I do encourage them to form their own interpretation. Providing reasons to back up views is a very good and important thing, as things need to be not only emotional, but also make sense.
Best,
Rami

[steinwaymodeld]

From his web site.

These are the type of people he wants to attract. 

you are just plain nasty.

[shortyshort]

I think the same about you too.

Did your Grandson think up that answer, or did you manage it yourself

[ramibarniv]

Did your Grandson think up that answer, or did you manage it yourself

You are trying to sound smart and insult me, but you are failing both.

[shortyshort]

You are trying to sound smart and insult me, but you are failing both.

Don't worry, I fail at everything. But I realise that.

But you, on the other hand, still cannot understand that your rude and arrogant comments to people on this thread has failed to help your advertisement on this forum.

[ramibarniv]

Don't worry, I fail at everything. But I realise that.

If you did, you wouldn't keep on doing it.

But you, on the other hand, still cannot understand that your rude and arrogant comments to people on this thread has failed to help your advertisement on this forum.

Thanks for your concern about my business, but I'm doing quite well.
As for "rude and arrogant comments", I just react to such initial approach by you and your likes.

[shortyshort]

Thanks for your concern about my business, but I'm doing quite well.

If your business is doing well, why do you need to advertise on all the piano forums?

If you were that good, you wouldn't need to advertise at all, as word of mouth is the best advertisement there is.

[tds]

This comment really shows your kindness and intelligence.

aww..i wasn't fishing for a compliment. thx. so they are?

[avetma]

"Never argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".

[ramibarniv]

If your business is doing well, why do you need to advertise on all the piano forums?

It's doing well since I "advertised on all the piano forums".

If you were that good, you wouldn't need to advertise at all, as word of mouth is the best advertisement there is.

My camp is new and until now I only had one session, which was last November. I take only 6 people and they were all extremely happy.
Thank you for your concern.
Rami

[ramibarniv]

aww..i wasn't fishing for a compliment. thx. so they are?

You are welcome, they weren't meant as compliments.

[ramibarniv]

"Never argue with an idiot they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".

Thanks for the advice.
Rami

[etudes]

Thanks for the advice.
Rami

Mr.Bar-niv ,It would be great if you can give some comments on my performance of Liszt Sonata at the audition room (I am sure every pianists know this piece inside out) so we can see if you can help me in the camp or not     

[ramibarniv]

Mr.Bar-niv ,It would be great if you can give some comments on my performance of Liszt Sonata at the audition room (I am sure every pianists know this piece inside out) so we can see if you can help me in the camp or not     

Mr. Etudes,
I don't care for the tone of your post, so I'll pass.
Best,
Rami

[ramibarniv]

Hey All,
June camp has one last minute open slot (June 25-30).
August camp has openings (August 20-25).
Rami's Rhapsody Piano Camp for Adults accepts piano players of all levels.
Other instrumentalists and singers are welcome too.
Teenagers are accepted with their teachers or their parents.
Best to all,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.metacafe.com/user/5557399/rami_bar_niv/

[jlh]

What are those ladies playing?

[ramibarniv]

What are those ladies playing?

Mendelssohn's Wedding March from Midsummer Night's Dream.
It's a nice arrangements and I'll be doing it with 2 other pianists in my Utica recital, June 22.
Best,
Rami

[shortyshort]

Mendelssohn's Wedding March from Midsummer Night's Dream.
It's a nice arrangements and I'll be doing it with 2 other pianists in my Utica recital, June 22.
Best,
Rami

Nice.

I would come but I will be at Thals left-handed banjo camp all summer.

[ramibarniv]

Nice.
I would come but I will be at Thals left-handed banjo camp all summer.

This is so unfunny and unbrilliant, time to grow up.

[shortyshort]

This is so unfunny and unbrilliant, time to grow up.

Don't want to. na na na na na na na.

[ramseytheii]

Nice.

I would come but I will be at Thals left-handed banjo camp all summer.

What does the right hand do while the left hand plays banjo?  Wait, I don't want to know.

Walter Ramsey

[olga_janina]

Nice.

I would come but I will be at Thals left-handed banjo camp all summer.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love it! 

[jakev2.0]

Mendelssohn's Wedding March from Midsummer Night's Dream.
It's a nice arrangements and I'll be doing it with 2 other pianists in my Utica recital, June 22.
Best,
Rami

Judging from their hand and body position - not very well.

[ramibarniv]

Judging from their hand and body position - not very well.

Yeah, right, according to you, no more listening to the music, just look at the picture of the playing and tell the quality...
I hear a lot of stupid things here, but this one is one of the more stupid ones.

[thalbergmad]

This is so unfunny and unbrilliant, time to grow up.

Might be, but it is also true.

I have had a great response and am now fully booked up to November.

Regards

Thal

[elevateme_returns]

Sorry old chap, none available and camp fully booked now.

However, you might be interested in my Autumn banjo camp. Price is £4 plus 2 gallons of guiness. For this, you get 6 lessons of 2 minutes each, full board at a top London Hotel of your choice and a night of passion with my ex - girlfriend.

Please follow any of the links listed below.

www.iamafraud.com
www.thalbanjocamp.com
www.overpricedlessons.com

Hope to hear from you soon.

Thal

banjo camp hahahahahahahahhahaa

[drjames]

I don't understand why a simple request for applicants to attend a piano camp generated 148 posts (so far), most of them critical or sarcastic.  I started reading this topic at the end and then went back to the beginning to see what the problem was and I just don't see it.  The initial post was straightforward and yet within one or two responses the sarcasm began.  There must be some personal issues going on here that the casual reader of the Forum would not be aware of.  This reminds me of the topic of "high school piano recital" that has gone on and on and now has nothing to do with the original subject.  Just my thoughts on the matter which just goes to show that I probably am not doing what I should be, like catching up on reading. James.