Come to my piano camp

[ramibarniv]

Dear Marik,
I am afraid you are the one with "lack of manners".
I don't know what you're talking about when you're saying:
...calling present people as a third party...
I did not learn everything, but I certainly did a lot.
It is clear to me that you can learn a lot from me, others, your level and better, did.
Good luck with your concert career.
Best,
Rami

[avetma]

Dear Marik,
I am afraid you are the one with "lack of manners".
I don't know what you're talking about when you're saying:
...calling present people as a third party...
I did not learn everything, but I certainly did a lot.
It is clear to me that you can learn a lot from me, others, your level and better, did.
Good luck with your concert career.
Best,
Rami

Actually, if you are as good as you say, I really don't like your personality, and wouldn't like you to be my teacher. Sorry to be honest.

[Kassaa]

FWIW, I also have "musicians and reviewers all over the world", including big and VERY big names. I also played in many places, including Muzeon Tel-Aviv, Mishkenot Sh'Ananim, Geyhal Ha'tarbut, Concertgebouw, Grand Hall of Moscow Conservatory, etc., so what? In my close to 500 posts that's the first time I mention it, for the same reason.

Damn PM me your real name I really want to see a recital of yours :O

[etudes]

Dear Marik,
I am afraid you are the one with "lack of manners".
I don't know what you're talking about when you're saying:
...calling present people as a third party...
I did not learn everything, but I certainly did a lot.
It is clear to me that you can learn a lot from me, others, your level and better, did.
Good luck with your concert career.
Best,
Rami

well....to be honest
I prefer marik's playing to Mr.Bar-Niv anyday of my life 

[tds]

Well perhaps it's a matter of taste and I respect Mr. Bar Niv. But I'd rather have a master class with Marik. Marik dou you plan any? 

i don't mind having a masterclass with thalbergmad. i am sure i can learn a couple of tricks.
thalbergmad do you plan any?

tds

[tds]

well....to be honest
I prefer marik's playing to Mr.Bar-Niv anyday of my life 

i can't decide, but lemme provide some relevant links:

peace:
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,24032.50.html


entertainment:
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php/topic,24165.0.html


tds

[m]

It is clear to me that you can learn a lot from me...

Sure, maybe next year.

In the meantime, enjoy:

Best wishes, M

[alzado]

I had a chance to visit U Tube (or whatever) and watch Mr. Bar Remi play the Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue.

Brilliant performance.  Very charming man.  Great opportunity if you have the $$$ to afford it.

Give this gentleman a chance, please.

[thalbergmad]

i don't mind having a masterclass with thalbergmad. i am sure i can learn a couple of tricks.
thalbergmad do you plan any?

tds

There are 2 places left on my "Bluegrass Banjo" camp in June.

The "Masters of the Parisian Salon" course is sold out.

Thal

[ramibarniv]

I'd suggest you to take some serious books/researches on the topic, open some scores, esp. operatic, symphonic, quartets, etc., then read, think, listen, i.e. educate yourself. After that we can resume.

Thanks for your suggestion Marik, but I did all that before you were learning where middle C was. And no, thanks, I am not interested to resume anything further with you.

...your constant referral to some anonimous "musicians and reviewers all over the world" and "hundreds of concert" frankly, becomes quite annoying.

I am so sorry to annoy you, it was not my intention.

FWIW, I also have "musicians and reviewers all over the world", including big and VERY big names. I also played in many places, including Muzeon Tel-Aviv, Mishkenot Sh'Ananim, Geyhal Ha'tarbut, Concertgebouw, Grand Hall of Moscow Conservatory, etc.,

Sounds like you participate in some competitions.
Best wishes,
Rami

[ramibarniv]

I had a chance to visit U Tube (or whatever) and watch Mr. Bar Remi play the Gershwin Rhapsody in Blue.

Brilliant performance.  Very charming man.  Great opportunity if you have the $$$ to afford it.

Give this gentleman a chance, please.

Thank you, Alzado.
Rami

[thalbergmad]

Looks like you got a fan old chap.

Thal

[xhunterjx]

I don't really like your attitude either ramibarniv...you certainly don't act like a mature musician.

[ramibarniv]

I uh, tried to do Google search - maybe for the very first time? Because I um, had trouble locating these reviews on the internet all I could find = garageband bio...same re: "big names". Can you help?

Did you actually check all 557 entries and did not find reviews, check again, maybe you'll find even a NYTimes one.
I'll admit though that there are not many on Google, you see, I've been in the business more than 45 years and Google has been around for what, the last 10 years....

Mr Bar-Niv, I am very curious as to why you are not in the Steinway Artists roster list. It may not be the definitive list of professional pianists...

It certainly isn't, many great artists were not on that roster.
Rami

[nicco]

I actually liked your Mozart sonata. Your interpretation of the chopin polonaise however, i very much didnt care for. You are so careful and delicate everywhere, you are almost playing it like a nocturne. Where is the excitement, the thrill?

Chopin composed this polonaise as the dream of a powerful, victorious and prosperous Poland.

Here is an artist who truly has captured the spirit of this polonaise

But, i wont judge. You have been in the proffesion so long, you obviously have worked out your own way of doing things. And i agree with much of what you said about Mozart and i think you have a good grasp on his style in general. I wish you luck with your future masterclasses.

[tds]

There are 2 places left on my "Bluegrass Banjo" camp in June.

The "Masters of the Parisian Salon" course is sold out.

Thal

what if i dont play banjo. can i still come? you provide free food and stuff, dont you?

[thalbergmad]

what if i dont play banjo. can i still come? you provide free food and stuff, dont you?

The idea is that at the end of the course, you will.

Thal

[tds]

The idea is that at the end of the course, you will.

Thal

hey, thal, u r invisible. or, just came in? lemme go check

[ramibarniv]

I actually liked your Mozart sonata. Your interpretation of the chopin polonaise however, i very much didnt care for. You are so careful and delicate everywhere, you are almost playing it like a nocturne. Where is the excitement, the thrill?......
..... And i agree with much of what you said about Mozart and i think you have a good grasp on his style in general. I wish you luck with your future masterclasses.

Thanks, Nicco, for the good words re my Mozart.
About my Chopin Polonaise, I thought I conveyed excitement, thrill, etc. and most people would say that it is very powerful.
I've heard before this Polonaise interpretation of Berman and listen to it again now.
It is not my cup of tea and I do like him in many other things, we were friends too.
So I guess it is a matter of taste.
Thanks again,
Rami

[frederic chopin]

I actually liked your Mozart sonata. Your interpretation of the chopin polonaise however, i very much didnt care for. You are so careful and delicate everywhere, you are almost playing it like a nocturne. Where is the excitement, the thrill?

Here is an artist who truly has captured the spirit of this polonaise

But, i wont judge. You have been in the proffesion so long, you obviously have worked out your own way of doing things. And i agree with much of what you said about Mozart and i think you have a good grasp on his style in general. I wish you luck with your future masterclasses.

Thanks for the link to Berman playing the Chopin Polonaise!

I agree that he has got the energy, vivacity and passion but he lacks the lyricism required in certain passages and harmonic progressions where he seems to plough through with little thought. His phrases are frequently not very well defined and the pedalling is occasionally clumsy. There are too many technical errors for my liking.

I loved his recording of Liszt's Annees de Pelerinage though!

The other thing I would like to mention is that as musicians, we should always respect fellow musician colleagues. There is no need for personal insults or derogatory remarks.

[rob47]

Aapton (3 months ago)
Only Rubinstein plays it better, but I don't think that is an insult, is it?
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barniv (3 months ago)
Thank you. No, not an insult, though I and many other people think I play it better. I'll admit though to some similarity in musical approach.
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[ramseytheii]

Arthur Friedheim was one of the first people to play Liszt's piano sonata, and he was the second person to play it in Vienna after von Buelow.  He got rave reviews, even though von Buelow had been panned in a previous year; Liszt thought it was because people were beginning to accept his music.  Friedheim asked, "But couldn't it be because I played it better?"  to which Liszt replied, "You certainly leave modesty to those who consider it a virtue."

Walter Ramsey

[etudes]

      I guess that we have the best pianist here
 

[prongated]

I'll admit though that there are not many on Google, you see, I've been in the business more than 45 years and Google has been around for what, the last 10 years....

...btw as you may have known, obviously it's not the first time I used Google. I thus might have rude intentions re: your reputation...although this way, I think we can all figure out your age...

If you have been in the 'business' (concertising + teaching?) for more than 45 years, and let's say you start at the age of 15 (approx.) then you must be at least 60 years old. WOW!!! You look like you're in your 40s in those youtube videos! Long live Bar-Niv!

Also, I apologise for all my past rudeness. I will be more respectful in the future

[prongated]

That said, I think many have raised valid points here re: mature pianism (if I may). Quite interesting reading. And to me, certainly Mr Bar-Niv is a seasoned concert pianist - how good depends on your opinion and/or who you hear.

However, I do remember Mr Bar-Niv's first reaction to my (and well, pretty much anyone else's that are similar) not-so-positive comment; "Can you do better?"

Sorry if this reignites anything. I simply find this interesting in that most/all pianists I know/have met, would ask, "why do you think that?" I know of an excellent Beethoven player who, at the end of a Beethoven sonata performance, was confronted with the comment, "I like your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th movt." His next question was, "what happened in the 1st movt?" NOT "can you play the 1st movt. better?"

At least, I'd think that finding out why a certain audience member thinks a certain way is quite a logical task...unless...

I guess that we have the best pianist here
 

...then obviously there is no place for negative comments. So...

...all hail for the arrival upon the concert stage: [Mr Bar-Niv]!


[Ah, what did I just say? Manners, manners...! ><]


ps. your ideas on the Appassionata are very good! Have you performed and/or recorded this?

[thalbergmad]

If you have been in the 'business' (concertising + teaching?) for more than 45 years, and let's say you start at the age of 15 (approx.) then you must be at least 60 years old.

Perhaps he started at 1

Thal

[ramibarniv]

...btw as you may have known, obviously it's not the first time I used Google. I thus might have rude intentions re: your reputation...although this way, I think we can all figure out your age...

If you have been in the 'business' (concertising + teaching?) for more than 45 years, and let's say you start at the age of 15 (approx.) then you must be at least 60 years old. WOW!!! You look like you're in your 40s in those youtube videos! Long live Bar-Niv!

Also, I apologise for all my past rudeness. I will be more respectful in the future

I was not hiding my age, you figured out pretty close, I had my 61st B-D last Dec.
My YouTube videos where made about 10-11 years ago, I'll take "looking like I am in my 40s" there anytime. Hey, I'm beginning to like you...
Oh', and apology accepted.
Best,
Rami

[ramibarniv]

However, I do remember Mr Bar-Niv's first reaction to my (and well, pretty much anyone else's that are similar) not-so-positive comment; "Can you do better?".........

It was the way you presented it that prompted my reply, you were all attacking me.

ps. your ideas on the Appassionata are very good! Have you performed and/or recorded this?

Thank you, yes have done both. My recording of it is from a radio recital at least 20 years ago, if not more and the tapes are way too noisy.
Best,
Rami

[ramibarniv]

Hey All,
I'm happy to tell you that the June session of my Piano Camp for Adults is a full house.
August (19-26) camp has openings.
Camp is open also for teenagers, accompanied by their teachers or their parents.
Camp is open also for other instrumentalists and singers (chamber music).
All playing levels are welcome.
Best regards,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/

[tds]

I'm happy to tell you that the June session of my Piano Camp for Adults is a full house.

wonderful! any participant from pianostreet?

[ramibarniv]

wonderful! any participant from pianostreet?

I don't think so, but can't be sure, as there are many lurkers on PS and other sites/forums/egroups. I have one participant who said he saw me on the Internet without specifying where...
Thank you,
Rami

[nanabush]

Will you pay me 650 dollars to make you a decent website?

[shortyshort]

I've only just read this thread.

Who thinks Mr. Bar-Niv was once just like ibty when he first came here?

I can imagine ibty growing up like that, if he hadn't been put in his place already.
(ibty, this is not against you, you are sound, now) 

[ramibarniv]

Will you pay me 650 dollars to make you a decent website?

No, thanks for the offer, it does its job the way it is.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[ramibarniv]

Who thinks Mr. Bar-Niv was once just like ibty when he first came here?
I can imagine ibty growing up like that, if he hadn't been put in his place already.

Mr. Shortyshort,
You are the one who should be put in his place.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[shortyshort]

Mr. Shortyshort,
You are the one who should be put in his place.

That's very bold of you.

Are you ibtys grandad

[ramibarniv]

That's very bold of you.

At least I'm being bold with my own real name.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[shortyshort]

At least I'm being bold with my own real name.
Best,
Rami

I realise how insignificant I am. If you knew my name, (which can be seen here), you would not be any wiser, as I am a nobody.

Perhaps you should realise that here, to me, (and some others), you are nobody either.

[thalbergmad]

I still have 3 places left on my play like George Formby camp if anyone is interested.

Thal

PS Turned out nice again.

[shortyshort]

I still have 3 places left on my play like George Formby camp if anyone is interested.

Thal

PS Turned out nice again.

Do we get free Black Pudding 

[thalbergmad]

ehhhhhhhh lad, you do, and a pint of John Smiths.

Thal

[ramibarniv]

I realise how insignificant I am. If you knew my name, (which can be seen here), you would not be any wiser, as I am a nobody.
Perhaps you should realise that here, to me, (and some others), you are nobody either.

Yes, I realize it and am glad that it is only here and only to an insignificant nobody like you (and perhaps some others, if you say so).
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[thalbergmad]

Have you ever been on one of those "How to win friends and influence people" courses?

Thal

[shortyshort]

Have you ever been on one of those "How to win friends and influence people" courses?

Thal

I did once. I got beat up. 

[ramibarniv]

Have you ever been on one of those "How to win friends and influence people" courses?
Thal

It was hopeless here from day one, yet I did win some friends here too. They are intimidated by some of you, so they write to me privately.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[shortyshort]

It was hopeless here from day one, yet I did win some friends here too. They are intimidates by some of you, so they write to me privately.
Best,
Rami

Yes, agreed. Your attitude was wrong from day one. 

Why should anyone be intimidated here. We are all friends. 

[ramibarniv]

Yes, agreed. Your attitude was wrong from day one. 

What was wrong in telling members about my concerts and piano camp?
It went over very nicely in other forums/lists/egroups. No place else was I attacked like here.

Why should anyone be intimidated here. We are all friends. 

I guess that's the intimidating part, all you friends gang up on someone who dares not to mold into what you'd like them to be here. First I learned of Bernhard, now I hear of Ibty, etc.
Best,
Rami
https://ramisrhapsody.tripod.com/
https://www.youtube.com/user/barniv

[shortyshort]

What was wrong in telling members about my concerts and piano camp?
It went over very nicely in other forums/lists/egroups. No place else was I attacked like here.

I believe you must have been very lucky.

I guess that's the intimidating part, all you friends gang up on someone who dares not to mold into what you'd like them to be here. First I learned of Bernhard, now I hear of Ibty, etc.

What have you learned of Bernhard ?

Ibty was as arrogant as you when he first came here.
He has changed. Can you?

[ronde_des_sylphes]

I've kept quiet for some time, and sat back and observed. Speaking as an adult who attends, from time to time, piano camp/summer school, and therefore presumably the sort of person that Mr. Bar-Niv is seeking to attract, I think I'd now like to say why I wouldn't go to his piano camp.

1) Geographical reasons.
2) More pertinently: Mr Bar-Niv seems to come with a considerable amount of "attitude". I appreciate that it can be unfair to judge someone's persona from what they say on an internet forum. Equally, I understand that he's attempting to promote himself.
There's no doubting that Mr. Bar-Niv is a perfectly respectable pianist, and may well be a decent pedagogue also, but I'm sorry; I'd prefer someone with a little more humility and a touch less condescension.

[shortyshort]

I've kept quiet for some time, and sat back and observed. Speaking as an adult who attends, from time to time, piano camp/summer school, and therefore presumably the sort of person that Mr. Bar-Niv is seeking to attract, I think I'd now like to say why I wouldn't go to his piano camp.

More pertinently: Mr Bar-Niv seems to come with a considerable amount of "attitude". I appreciate that it can be unfair to judge someone's persona from what they say on an internet forum. Equally, I understand that he's attempting to promote himself.
There's no doubting that Mr. Bar-Niv is a perfectly respectable pianist, and may well be a decent pedagogue also, but I'm sorry; I'd prefer someone with a little more humility and a touch less condescension.

I think we've all been trying to tell him that. But to no avail.