Hmmm... so far here are the results:- Nana_ama does not think she is a trained piano monkey, nor anyone else and assumes Im having a bad day. I was in a pretty good mood actually, but Im sick of seeing so many 12 year olds bragging about their Rach 3, so many idiots say Mozart is crap and all that kind of stuff.... hence, I think you are piano monkeys (which is the best adjective I can find for this kind of thinking)... right now, I KNOW I used to be a trained piano monkey myself, maybe I still am and don't realize it.
Hmmm... so far here are the results:- rlefvbr took this so personally though, that I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the middle of a jungle somewhere enjoying his piano songs though. By the way, check the introduction. Im 22 years old, and Ive been posting here so long I really don't have any reason to look for my "15 minutes of fame". I posted this because I think what I said. Maybe it offends you because the shoe fits?!
Trained piano monkeys! That's what you all are. There are less than 10 people here who do not fit that description (by what Ive seen you write here, for all I know you could be musical plumbers or zoo keepers or whatever). The rest of you are trained piano monkeys. You churn out the same repertoire day in and day out. You think your five beloved composers are the only music possible and fail to see anything beyond that. You can't judge on your own what good music is and simply think that those same five composers are gods who never did wrong and everything else is not as good. You wouldn't know good music if it bit you in the ass. You focus on playing all the notes, and when talking of interpretation you make such superficial and shallow questions. Its almost as if you're purposely trying to avoid doing anything new, heartfelt or generous.
A rare picture of Bernhard, training hard for his forthcoming recital of Rach 3 (the reduction for two pianos - he will play both, since just one was far too easy).
Take it as you may, RondoAllaTony couldnt have said it better. Why is it that the stupid threats like this are the ones that get the most answers? or the one I started about teaching a squid to play the piano some time ago.... meanwhile more helpful insightful topics (as the ones started by m1469Fox, who's opinion I greatly admire) dont get nearly half the attention than something like this gets. I wont justify my opinion. I believe that instead of pianoforum.net, this should be called the pianomonkeyhouse.net Im amazed how Bernhard jumps to mind as one of the ten non-monkeys. Sounds logical though. If you think there are more than 10 non-monkeys here, Ill believe you, but does it really matter?. Are you not a monkey yourself rob? Had to ask though... think about it. You mention the fact that many members here love Debussy, Ravel, Bach, etc. PPFFHHHHTTTTT .... thats bull excrement. If I ever see nearly as many posts here about Bach as Ive seen about good old Franz, Frederic and Sergei, Ill quit the piano and become a clockmaker instead.Now... if you're feeling offended and insulted, prove you're not a monkey. Instead of writing a response here about how Ive made you feel bad and all that go post an answer to one of m1469Fox's threads, ask a meaningful question about a piece of reperoire you're actually playing, post a thought that you think will help us all become better pianists, look through some of the more helpful technique posts or simply go practice. If youre really feeling insulted, send me a private message and Ill make sure to read it though and answer you personally.Ive been posting here a while and some stuff about this forum annoys SO much. Its like a gathering of Kissin clones. If I had a nickel for every 12 year old here who plays Rach 3, Id buy myself a new Steinway grand.
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Me leave?But monkeys are so funny.
It takes 10 times the effort, talent, creativity and knowledge to write something on the level of Liszt than it takes to play Liszt.I wonder if Ahmedito actually ever tried to compose something...But I am afraid the thing about piano monkeys is a bit true. Most classical musicians are just little factories producing music. The art is gone. Don't we have great recodings of almost all the great works already? Why replay them for the sake of art? The reason to play them is just for our own pleasure.
I think the same as you for the most part. Listen to Steve Reich, Arvo Part and Heinrich Gorecki. Not all of the modern music world is about trying to be as avant garde and complicated as possible.
But I am afraid the thing about piano monkeys is a bit true. Most classical musicians are just little factories producing music. The art is gone. Don't we have great recodings of almost all the great works already? Why replay them for the sake of art? The reason to play them is just for our own pleasure.
Trained piano monkeys! That's what you all are. There are less than 10 people here who do not fit that description (by what Ive seen you write here, for all I know you could be musical plumbers or zoo keepers or whatever). The rest of you are trained piano monkeys. You churn out the same repertoire day in and day out. You think your five beloved composers are the only music possible and fail to see anything beyond that. You can't judge on your own what good music is and simply think that those same five composers are gods who never did wrong and everything else is not as good. You wouldn't know good music if it bit you in the ass. You focus on playing all the notes, and when talking of interpretation you make such superficial and shallow questions. Its almost as if you're purposely trying to avoid doing anything new, heartfelt or generous. Im sure I could train monkeys to play the piano better, and evenif not, why would I want to do that? I've got you guys. If you're offended, think: Am I specifically refering to you? If you think so, then maybe the shoe fits too well. [/quote/]Why don't you take your head out of you ass. I am not especially offended by what you have said and to some point I might agree. I do think that the public in general do tend to have very limited knowledge of classical music, you only have to look at the cds such as "classical chillout" etc. But I think it is very arrogant to direct this at people on this forum. You have to realise that not everyone who posts on this site is a music student and not everyone takes the piano as a serious past time, more a hobby. Just because people go on about well known pieces such as 1st movement of moonlight etc. dosn't mean that you should treat them in such a way. Fine not everyone has a very diverse taste in music but at least its a start. When I was younger I used to like all the pieces such as moonlight movement 1 etc. and gradually as I started to play more and more music I have diversified my repetoire greatly and my ideas about what music really is have changed a lot. Surely you can't say that you didn't once only know of well known repetoire? It also takes time for people to progress, some people play the piano as a hobby and therefore their progress takes more time. I think its very unfair of you to talk down to people and to insult them just because they might be at a different stage of development musically to you, in fact its down right arrogant.
There's a difference, though. All factory cars are basically identical. I would venture that no two pianists are identical. When all pianists play like a computer, then I can agree that we are like factories. But for now, the fact is that each pianist is a unique person, and thus there is something unique about their playing, no matter what the repertoire.
Topic: Trained Piano Monkeys 