I'm crazily deeply madly in love with Valentina Lisitsa

[j_menz]

** wonders what the jail term is for aiding and abetting a stalker....

[ajspiano]

** wonders what the jail term is for aiding and abetting a stalker....

Does it really count if the information is freely available and "google-able" within 4 to 5 seconds..

[j_menz]

Does it really count if the information is freely available and "google-able" within 4 to 5 seconds..

That depends on whether I'm acting for the prosecution or the defence.

[ajspiano]

That depends on whether I'm acting for the prosecution or the defence.

You can prosecute.

I feel that you have no case, not only on the grounds that the information was publicly available to begin with, but also that it in no way provides a direct contact to the 'victim' - nor would a manager of that nature ever give out a direct contact to an artist.

..Unless they planned to end up having you targeting them instead of me.

Also, wouldnt lisitsa have to file a complaint against rach for him to be legally considered a stalker anyway. And since that hasnt happened (i'll assume it hasnt :/) then how could I possible have broken any law by providing free and public information.

[j_menz]

You can prosecute.

I feel that you have no case, not only on the grounds that the information was publicly available to begin with, but also that it in no way provides a direct contact to the 'victim' - nor would a manager of that nature ever give out a direct contact to an artist.

..Unless they planned to end up having you targeting them instead of me.

Also, wouldnt lisitsa have to file a complaint against rach for him to be legally considered a stalker anyway. And since that hasnt happened (i'll assume it hasnt :/) then how could I possible have broken any law by providing free and public information.

A crime is commited irrespective of whether there is a victim complaint or not. The discretion to prosecute may be influenced by this, either out of consideration for the victim or because of evidentiary concerns, but a prosecution is not impeded at law.

That the information could have been obtained by alternate means does not mean that your provision of it did not aid and abet. For example, if I put you in contact with a hitman, my guilt is not lessened because you also knew other people who could put you in contact with that or other hitmen.

Since the object of the contact with the intermediaries you identify would be for the purpose of arranging a situation of close physical proximity, I would argue that it is in the more serious categories of the offence.

Start googling "cake with file in it" recipes. 

[ajspiano]

Would you use that argument in a court room? ...

If you put someone in contact with a hit-man, you are aware of the intent to cause harm. Hit-men kill people.

Are you suggesting that being a big fan of an musical artist constitutes intent to cause harm? or that being a fan means that you should be legally barred from booking a musician for a private event..

What's the crime here..?

What part of rach's behaviour here suggests that he's an actual stalker..? given that he displays the same kind of affection toward dead male composers (rach/scriabin). ...(maybe not a good argument for his sanity)..

EDIT:
I'm just a little unsure how you can place anyone on trial without identifying that a crime has been committed, or at least that intent to commit a crime exists..

[lostinidlewonder]

You can be in love with what she does, but I doubt you could be in love with who she is.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

What the heck?!  Why am I being accused of being a stalker?!  

This is getting a little out of hand now.  You're blowing this WAY out of proportion!

But if I end up going to court...

J Menz, you're gonna be my lawyer!   

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Maybe you should get out more (thought perhaps not to a Lisitisa concert)...

Best,

Alistair

Get out more?  I'm outside every day!

I would love to go to a Lisitsa concert!  Depending on the program...  I was really upset when people voted for the program she was gonna play.  They picked Moonlight over Appassionata and Hammerklavier?!  What the freaking heck?!  They picked four extra small Rach preludes over Rach sonata?!  Come on!!!  And I don't like how she has the screen above the stage that shows her hands.  It's VERY distracting...

[rachmaninoff_forever]

You can be in love with what she does, but I doubt you could be in love with who she is.

Of course not!

[davidjosepha]

I was really upset when people voted for the program she was gonna play.  They picked Moonlight over Appassionata and Hammerklavier?!  What the freaking heck?!  They picked four extra small Rach preludes over Rach sonata?!  Come on!!!  And I don't like how she has the screen above the stage that shows her hands.  It's VERY distracting...

That's what you get when you're watching a sensation instead of a musician

[j_menz]

What the heck?!  Why am I being accused of being a stalker?!  

This is getting a little out of hand now.  You're blowing this WAY out of proportion!

But if I end up going to court...

J Menz, you're gonna be my lawyer!   

You can pay me in performances of all the WTC P&Fs. 

[ajspiano]

You can pay me in performances of all the WTC P&Fs. 

I'd give lessons for free if the students worked hard enough to pay in that form without my help..  ofcourse, they probably wouldnt need the lessons..

[rachmaninoff_forever]

You can pay me in performances of all the WTC P&Fs. 

I'll start the Bach project next week.  I'll play nothing but Bach for seven days and see what happens.

In return...  I'm still thinking about it.

[j_menz]

I'll start the Bach project next week.  I'll play nothing but Bach for seven days and see what happens.

 

In return...  I'm still thinking about it.

In return, you may get a bigger surprise than you though possible.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

In return, you may get a bigger surprise than you though possible.

I'll end up hating piano and quit?

[j_menz]

I'll end up hating piano and quit?

Hardly likely, I'd have thought.

Incidentally, my advice for the week is not to just play the stuff you've been working on, but read through as much as you can in addition.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Hardly likely, I'd have thought.

Incidentally, my advice for the week is not to just play the stuff you've been working on, but read through as much as you can in addition.

Every day I'm gonna open the book with my eyes closed.  Whatever page I land on, I will practice it for the entire day.

[j_menz]

Every day I'm gonna open the book with my eyes closed.  Whatever page I land on, I will practice it for the entire day.

Given the state of your book, you may mean "whatever page lands on me".

Otherwise, great idea, but don't just do that page, do the whole P&F it comes from.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Given the state of your book, you may mean "whatever page lands on me".

Otherwise, great idea, but don't just do that page, do the whole P&F it comes from.

I pray that I don't land on a four or five voice one...

[davidjosepha]

I pray that I don't land on a four or five voice one...

It'll probably happen pretty often. 20 of the 48 fugues have 4 or 5 voices.

[j_menz]

I pray that I don't land on a four or five voice one...

Just curious about what's everyone's belief system here.  Because I like you guys and want to know more about you.

I'm a worshipper of Bach

No doubt he'll help you. 

(Incidentally, when did you edit that and how did I miss it?) 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

No doubt he'll help you. 

(Incidentally, when did you edit that and how did I miss it?) 

I only worship Bach out of fear!  Not out of love!

[pianoman53]

Just saying... I will see her live in a week.

Though, I'm not a fan. She can play fast, but there are many pianists who can. And she plays everything in exactly the same way. It becomes a bit... pointless. Rachmaninov shouldn't sound the same as Mozart.

[pytheamateur]

Just saying... I will see her live in a week.

Though, I'm not a fan. She can play fast, but there are many pianists who can. And she plays everything in exactly the same way. It becomes a bit... pointless. Rachmaninov shouldn't sound the same as Mozart.

Her fans are not the typical classical music fans.  She's drawing fans who do not otherwise listen to classical music, rather than people who are already fans of the world's top pianists.

[ahinton]

She's a relatively ordinary pianist, not without some talent (especially in the direction of self-publicity) but decidedly without the kind of staying power and engaging qualities in her performances that might otherwise make me want to be bothered with much of what she does - so, no, I'm NOT "in love (deeply or otherwise) with Valentina Lisitsa"; sorry if that upsets people here who seem to be besotted with her for some reasons that, in many cases, I suspect to have scant connection with the way that she plays the piano...

Best,

Alistair

[davidjosepha]

for some reasons that, in many cases, I suspect to have scant connection with the way that she plays the piano...

That seems to be a big part of it, but I don't even find her good looking at all...there are quite a few female pianists much more attractive than her, and with more talent too!

[rachmaninoff_forever]

It becomes a bit... pointless. Rachmaninov shouldn't sound the same as Mozart.

I don't think she's very good at playing anything in classical era or earlier.  With the exception of Beethoven of course!

[pytheamateur]

That seems to be a big part of it, but I don't even find her good looking at all...there are quite a few female pianists much more attractive than her, and with more talent too!

I agree with you regarding her looks.  She has played a lot of popular repertoire.  This makes it easier to draw a huge number of audience, even if the playing might not be at the level of the world's top pianists.

I can't help but wonder whether she would be as popular as she is today if she has been playing Bach and some of the less famous Beethoven Sonatas.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I can't help but wonder whether she would be as popular as she is today if she has been playing Bach and some of the less famous Beethoven Sonatas.

She's played quite a bit of lesser known works too you know...

[m1469]

Her fans are not the typical classical music fans.  She's drawing fans who do not otherwise listen to classical music, rather than people who are already fans of the world's top pianists.

I wonder what affects her current quality of life more - The approval and acceptance she gets, or the disapproval and disinterest?  I don't know her, but something tells me she's probably not regretting her current path too much.

[scherzo123]

Have you by chance mentioned your affection for her to her husband?

Best,

Alistair

ROFL.

[ajspiano]

some of the less famous Beethoven Sonatas.

I saw an interview where she mentioned a possibility of tackling all sonatas and recording the complete set..

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I saw an interview where she mentioned a possibility of tackling all sonatas and recording the complete set..

Omg omg omg I would die if she did that!

But I doubt it...

I mean, I've been waiting for freaking 17 years and she still hasn't released her Rach project!

*Reading news*

News:  Valentina Lisitsa will release her Rach project next year!

*17 years later*

Me:  I mean, I've been waiting for freaking 17 years and she still hasn't released her Rach project!

[ajspiano]

Omg omg omg I would die if she did that!

But I doubt it...

It was pretty casual..

Interviewer:  So, we've seen your chopin etude videos, bla bla awesome bla, do you think you'll release any other complete sets

Valentina:  Well I do like beethoven, but its a bit task doing all the sonatas.

Interviewr: I've seen your appassionata, it was magnifitastic.

Valentina: Dude, thats ONE sonata. There's 32. Do the math...   I would really like to do it though.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

There's 32. Do the math...

Math?  What math?  Counting to 32? 

[ajspiano]

Math?  What math?  Counting to 32? 

LOL - yeh, pretty much.

If my memory is right..

She'd previously been talking about how she had to have an isoloated section in her house for practice, sound proofed. And that when her husband went to bed she would stay up to anywhere between 3 and 6 am for months on end practicing to prepare 24 etudes.

..which are shorter than sonatas. *angry face - pay attention interviewer.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

LOL - yeh, pretty much.

If my memory is right..

She'd previously been talking about how she had to have an isoloated section in her house for practice, sound proofed. And that when her husband went to bed she would stay up to anywhere between 3 and 6 am for months on end practicing to prepare 24 etudes.

..which are shorter than sonatas. *angry face - pay attention interviewer.

When I first read this, I thought you were J Menz.  So I left the page and saw YOUR username.  So I clicked on this thread again, and found out that it was the same comment!!!


Wwwwwhhhhaaaaaattttt the heck???

[ajspiano]

When I first read this, I thought you were J Menz.  So I left the page and saw YOUR username.  So I clicked on this thread again, and found out that it was the same comment!!!


Wwwwwhhhhaaaaaattttt the heck???

J_menz's post wouldve looked more like this..

LOL - yeh, pretty fugue much.

If my fugue memory is right..

She'd previously fugue been talking about how she had to have an isoloated section in her fugue house for practice, sound proofed. And that when her husband went to bed she would stay up to anywhere between fugue 3 and 6 am for months on end practicing to prepare 24 etudes.

..which are shorter fugue than sonatas. *angry face - pay attention interviewer.

[j_menz]

Omg omg omg I would die if she did that!

But I doubt it...

I mean, I've been waiting for freaking 17 years and she still hasn't released her Rach project!

*Reading news*

News:  Valentina Lisitsa will release her Rach project next year!

*17 years later*

Me:  I mean, I've been waiting for freaking 17 years and she still hasn't released her Rach project!

You were lusting after 22 yo women in your crib? And reading about them? And hoping they recorded more Rachmaninoff?

Your poor mother! 

[j_menz]

J_menz's post wouldve looked more like this..

LOL - yeh, pretty fugue much.

If my fugue memory is right..

She'd previously fugue been talking about how she had to have an isoloated section in her fugue house for practice, sound proofed. And that when her husband went to bed she would stay up to anywhere between fugue 3 and 6 am for months on end practicing to prepare 24 etudes.

..which are shorter fugue than sonatas. *angry face - pay attention interviewer.

Fugue off! 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

J_menz's post wouldve looked more like this..

LOL - yeh, pretty fugue much.

If my fugue memory is right..

She'd previously fugue been talking about how she had to have an isoloated section in her fugue house for practice, sound proofed. And that when her husband went to bed she would stay up to anywhere between fugue 3 and 6 am for months on end practicing to prepare 24 etudes.

..which are shorter fugue than sonatas. *angry face - pay attention interviewer.

What the freaking heck is going on here?!?!?!?!?!?

I read this the first time thinking that this was J Menz.  So I was like, 'okay'.  Then I scrolled down to the bottom and I saw that J Menz replied to it!  So I thought he was just joking or something.  But...  I scrolled up just in case.  And the person who I'm replying to is Ajs what the heck?!?!?!?!?!!?

[ajspiano]

Perhaps you should just let your eyes swing left a little every time you read a new post.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Perhaps you should just let your eyes swing left a little every time you read a new post.

Are you and J Menz the same person?

[ajspiano]

Are you and J Menz the same person?

If we are then I have some kind of split personality disorder that I'm totally unaware of..

[rachmaninoff_forever]

If we are then I have some kind of split personality disorder that I'm totally unaware of..

Dissacosiative fugue identity disorder!!!


Yeah congrats to myself for hitting the 1,000 post milestone!

[ajspiano]

Dissacosiative fugue identity disorder!!!

Lol.  - So much counterpoint you start living two completely separate thought patterns in daily life.

Yeah congrats to myself for hitting the 1,000 post milestone!

I'm so proud of you.

[j_menz]

Dissacosiative fugue identity disorder!!!

Fugues are never dissociative. And I am not AJ. I don't play Chopin 10/1, for starters.

And I believe we've covered this before.

And....


And...



Jeez!!

Yeah congrats to myself for hitting the 1,000 post milestone!

 

[davidjosepha]

Yeah congrats to myself for hitting the 1,000 post milestone!

You're like my friend who scored his 1000th point in basketball and called his own timeout.

Taboo, man, taboo.

I ain't even congratulating you now.

[ajspiano]

I don't play Chopin 10/1, for starters.

Damn right.

Your repertoire defines who you are as a person.