Ravel Ondine

[j_menz]

Well then what would it go as?

Romantic?

Late Romantic, Impressionist, Early 20th Century. Take your pick.

[werq34ac]

I don't mean it's not a good audition piece, just that it shouldn't be considered modern. A hundered and a bit years is, after all, quite a long time.

They ask for a "20th or 21st Century" piece so technically you could do Iberia..

Not sure what you mean, but that's not my score there.

This one is, and I write in everything, including the note names in places I forget.

I mean in your video. For m. 53-56. With the 4 over 3. When you play just the melody for us, you're missing some notes.

[chopin2015]

Oh, yes. That is a possibility. That was my first time ever looking at that part. And... I was only playing the melody the score says to play. Thanks for the heads up. I was working off the score. I generally work kinks like that out by ear.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

They ask for a "20th or 21st Century" piece so technically you could do Iberia..


I mean in your video. For m. 53-56. With the 4 over 3. When you play just the melody for us, you're missing some notes.

I saw you in a YouTube comment lol!!!

[j_menz]

They ask for a "20th or 21st Century" piece so technically you could do Iberia..

Technically you probably could. But is relying on a technicality really a good idea in an audition? Doesn't it show perhaps a certain lack of ability (or raise the suspicion thereof) in the later repertoire that they are more likely wanting to see you play?

[lateromantic]

Late Romantic, Impressionist, Early 20th Century. Take your pick.

I'd say impressionist or early 20th.  The term "Romantic" doesn't fit the style here very well, in my opinion.

[chopin2015]

For impressionist, name more composers other than Ravel and Debussy...?

[j_menz]

For impressionist, name more composers other than Ravel and Debussy...?

Isaac Albéniz, John Alden Carpenter, Frederick Delius, Paul Dukas, Manuel de Falla, Charles Tomlinson Griffes, and Ottorino Respighi. I'd also include Ibert and some Alkan (who is incorrect by period but is arguabley the first and was an infoluence on both Ravel and Debussy)

[werq34ac]

Technically you probably could. But is relying on a technicality really a good idea in an audition? Doesn't it show perhaps a certain lack of ability (or raise the suspicion thereof) in the later repertoire that they are more likely wanting to see you play?

Actually, if you play something too modern, there's a good chance they won't even listen to it (though I wouldn't count on it). If you pick something from standard piano repertoire, then they'll probably want to hear it. I played Alborada for my audition and they asked for it everywhere. I mean after all they're trying to determine how well you play.

That said, I think Ondine is not a very good idea for an audition piece. Like holy crap it would be scary as hell.

[chopin2015]

Isaac Albéniz, John Alden Carpenter, Frederick Delius, Paul Dukas, Manuel de Falla, Charles Tomlinson Griffes, and Ottorino Respighi. I'd also include Ibert and some Alkan (who is incorrect by period but is arguabley the first and was an infoluence on both Ravel and Debussy)

What are some famous pieces by these peoples?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

What are some famous pieces by these peoples?

Albeniz Iberia book II is freaking kickass.

[andreslr6]

What are some famous pieces by these peoples?

From de Falla: El Sombrero de Tres Picos (Three Horned Hat), el Amor Brujo, Noches en los Jardines de España (Nights in the Gardens of Spain, his piano concerto), Fantasia Baetica, 7 Spanish Songs (there are different versions for cello and violin as well) among others... he´s probably the only Nationalistic composer I really like and I also consider him a composer with Impressionist subtleties.

Fantasia Baetica:

a piece for singer and orchestra, Psyché:

Concerto for Harpsichord:

Nights in the Gardens of Spain (1st movement):

[chopin2015]

 

Thanks, y'all!

[furtwaengler]

"Some guy named  paul badura-skoda" ?   How easily we forget, alas...

I heard him play Gaspard live in a small hall in Vienna about 10 years ago. I remember Schubert D. 845 was on the same program. I was playing Ondine at the time, and still I don't remember anything about his pattern changing. Nonetheless, I too like and did what's written (in the two scores I had - pity if it really was a printers error).

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Measure 81!!! 

10 more to go!!! 

I see land, LAND HO!!!!!!!!!!  Or something like that...

[j_menz]

Measure 81!!! 

10 more to go!!! 

I see land, LAND HO!!!!!!!!!!  Or something like that...

 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

 

Apparently your picture doesn't work.

[j_menz]

Apparently your picture doesn't work.

Apparently your browser doesn't. 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Apparently your browser doesn't. 

Did it on a computer and an iPad.

It's you...

[chopin2015]

Lol

Awesome!

Congrats, Rach!

[j_menz]

Did it on a computer and an iPad.

It's you...

Maybe it's an apple thing?  Or maybe it's you..... you don't get to see it while you diss Bach.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Maybe it's an apple thing?  Or maybe it's you..... you don't get to see it while you diss Bach.

Well my computer isn't a Mac.

[j_menz]

Well my computer isn't a Mac.

Then the internet hates you. I can see it fine. 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Then the internet hates you. I can see it fine. 

Or...

Your link just doesn't work.

That's it, you'll be the first to go when I end the world!

[j_menz]

That's it, you'll be the first to go when I end the world!

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Nice glasses.   

[unholeee]

^ all the better to see the picture with

j_menacez

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Holy sh*t I actually did it.  

Yes boi finally finished learning that fresh Ondine!  Lol I'm pumped.

Like it's one of those things where you're like, 'I'll never touch that' and to suddenly have is is so freaking awesome!  

I still think it's above my paygrade but still...  Well okay I take that back.  It was like a humbling experience learning it.  That's kinda how it feels.

You know like how Steve Erwin on animal planet would like catch giant ass crocodiles?  And then afterwards he would set it free and give some little speech about how he's like humbled and has respect for the crocodile afterwards?  That's what this piece felt like.  

Omg...

[austinarg]

You know like how Steve Erwin on animal planet would like catch giant ass crocodiles?  And then afterwards he would set it free and give some little speech about how he's like humbled and has respect for the crocodile afterwards?  That's what this piece felt like.  

Omg...

Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray... does that mean you'll die crushed by one of Bach's fugues?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Steve Irwin was killed by a stingray... does that mean you'll die crushed by one of Bach's fugues?

Stingray > Bach

[j_menz]

Omg...

Are we gonna get to hear it?

Congrats, btw. Onto Le Gibet now?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Are we gonna get to hear it?

Congrats, btw. Onto Le Gibet now?

Yeah I'll do a recording.

Well not now, there's quite a bit of polishing that needs to be done.

Just trust me...  I know it.

No but yeah, one down two to go!!!   

[chopin2015]

Hey Rach, can you tell me what fingering you use in the left hand, in that cray cray bar 67?

I can't speed that one up enough, still.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Hey Rach, can you tell me what fingering you use in the left hand, in that cray cray bar 67?

I can't speed that one up enough, still.

First cluster:  515212123515 You know that second to lowest b on the way down?  Yeah, the one that's like the double note?  I only play it once.

Second cluster:  5152112515

Third cluster:  52142124125

Fourth cluster:  5214212415

Sorry for late response didn't see it.

[chopin2015]

Thanks, mayne! I appreciate it. I didn't like the feel of the printed fingerings. They didn't fall into place right away, ya know? I will look at yours and use them to fix the fingerings I already learnt.

Gracias! 

[werq34ac]

Guise stop leaving me out D: I don't have measure numbers..

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Guise stop leaving me out D: I don't have measure numbers..

How the heck do you not have measure numbers?

The fingerings I gave her are for the left hand of thr first half of the climax.

[j_menz]

How the heck do you not have measure numbers?

Not all publishers/editors feel they are necessary or useful, apparently. 

A pencil, an ability to count and a little patient effort can overcome the deficiency.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Measures 71-72, does anyone split the right hand?

[chopin2015]

Measure numbers are soo useful usually. Except in Beethoven sonatas. :?

I don't split the right hand into the left. It would tell me to, in this book. The only spot it really says to do that is in bar 50. Do you have that in yer book, Rach?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

The only spot it really says to do that is in bar 50.

 The only spot it really says to do that is in bar 50.

is in bar 50.

50.

50.

NOOO DON'T DO THAT!!!

Change your fingering now!!!  DO NOT split the right and left hand there!!!

It will sound like GARBAGE!!!

Ya hear me?  GARBAGE!!!

Cause if you do that, you split the melody with the right and left hand.  And it'll just sound like  a bunch of high ass notes without a melody.  I used to split my left hand there and my piano teacher tore me to pieces.

Me:  Okay I'm gonna play this fresh Ondine boi...

Teacher:  Yeah whatever fine...

*I start playing measure 50*

*Teachers face begins to turn green.  As if he's about to throw up*

Teacher:  STOP!!!!!!  NOOOO!!!  NOO!!!!  You will not do this to me!!!  Not again!!!  Never!!!  You're outta here ***!!!  Take your ass back home and fix that sh*t RIGHT NOW!!!

Me:  Wait but what about my money?

Teacher:  Keep your money!  Leave NOW!!!  You disgust me!!!

Me:  Okay...

Teacher:  NOW!!!

I know it's harder to play, but trust me...  

[chopin2015]

BACHAHAHAHAHA

 

I used to not split it there when I first learnt this piece. I think you are right though, even though it is faster to actually do the split. DO you alternate hands in that bar or no?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

BACHAHAHAHAHA

 

I used to not split it there when I first learnt this piece. I think you are right though, even though it is faster to actually do the split. DO you alternate hands in that bar or no?

No I do the melody in the left hand, and the flashy stuff in the right hand.

It really SUCKS because they're like playing on top of each other and they like get in the way, but it sounds better.

I think this is definitely one of the hardest passages of the whole piece.

[chopin2015]

No I do the melody in the left hand, and the flashy stuff in the right hand.

It really SUCKS because they're like playing on top of each other and they like get in the way, but it sounds better.

I think this is definitely one of the hardest passages of the whole piece.

The trick is to put your hand lower at the elbow so the other one can cross. To do that, if you are tall-lean back a little and spread yourself more.

I will attach pic in a bit to show you what meine book says.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

The trick is to put your hand lower at the elbow so the other one can cross. To do that, if you are tall-lean back a little and spread yourself more.

I will attach pic in a bit to show you what meine book says.

That's what got my teacher to freak out on me...

[chopin2015]

lol OK. I will ignore the editor suggestion on that.  BTW the fingerings I asked you for earlier are similar to what I have in the book. Mine are different. I will tell ya when I have the moment to sit in front of the piano this evening.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

What do you do for fingering the last 4 double thirds of 61? 

I do 32, 15, 42, 13 but it sucks.

[birba]

4 5 3 4
1 2 1 2

[chopin2015]

4 5 4 5
2 3 1 2

[rachmaninoff_forever]

4 5 4 5
2 3 1 2


Birba:

4 5 3 4
1 2 1 2

Dude that's like impossible lol.

Alright so a few more questions...

Uuuuh...

Last three thirds of measure 62, does anyone besides me take the bottom notes with the left hand?

And...

On measure 72, that d natural changes to d#.  It's in my score, but I never see/hear anyone play it.  Should I not change it or keep the same?

And finally...
Erm...

Measures 73-74, I play the glissando all the way to the high a, but my left hand gets in the way when I try to do that a minor 7 scaley thing down it.  How do you guys do it?

That's pretty much it.


Dude I tried to freaking record it but it's like impossible to record without a good mic. 

Like, I tried it on my phone and Canon at different distances but the sound quality sucks!


Are any of you gonna post yours?  Yo, homie Werq34ac how far are you?  Or are you already done?