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Offline beebert

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Debussy and Beethoven pieces
on: September 25, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
Hi all! I was wondering about the difficulty of the following sets of pieces : Images l and ll and Estampes. Which is hardest and easisest according to you as a whole? I have played Estampes recently and wondered if the other 2 sets may be approachable. Also I was wondering if you have any tips on a Beethoven sonata to play. Suggestions? I know it is so different in style But which Beethoven sonatas would you say that Estampes is comparable to in terms of difficulty?

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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #1 on: September 26, 2017, 01:32:43 AM
Though it really depends on who you are, I say Images I and II are about the same and are harder than Estampes, but not by much.
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #2 on: September 28, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
Quote from: beebert on September 25, 2017, 08:21:50 AM
Hi all! I was wondering about the difficulty of the following sets of pieces : Images l and ll and Estampes. Which is hardest and easisest according to you as a whole? I have played Estampes recently and wondered if the other 2 sets may be approachable. Also I was wondering if you have any tips on a Beethoven sonata to play. Suggestions? I know it is so different in style But which Beethoven sonatas would you say that Estampes is comparable to in terms of difficulty?

Thanks

Images II > Images I > Estampes

You can't rally compare the difficulty of a Beethoven Sonata to a Debussy suite but I guess learning Estampes would take as long time to learn as an easier Beethoven Sonata like the op 90 for example. Completely subjective though
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #3 on: September 30, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
Quote from: pianoville on September 28, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
Images II > Images I > Estampes

You can't rally compare the difficulty of a Beethoven Sonata to a Debussy suite but I guess learning Estampes would take as long time to learn as an easier Beethoven Sonata like the op 90 for example. Completely subjective though
I Guess by that that you are not one who considers op 90 as one of the hard sonatas as many do. But how hard do you consider it to be? Harder or easier than op 13 and Op 27 2 for example?
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #4 on: September 30, 2017, 04:56:29 PM
Quote from: beebert on September 30, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
I Guess by that that you are not one who considers op 90 as one of the hard sonatas as many do. But how hard do you consider it to be? Harder or easier than op 13 and Op 27 2 for example?

I think op. 90 is somewhere between moonlight and Tempest in terms of difficulty but it completely depends. Some People thinks it is as hard as Appasionata and some think it is one of the easiest. I think it is in the middle. But if you han do op. 90 justice you can probably do the Images. But that also depends on which your strenghts are. So I think the best one to say how difficult these pieces are is yourself, because I am sure my opinion is very different to your opinion. Hope I could help!
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #5 on: September 30, 2017, 09:02:35 PM
Quote from: pianoville on September 30, 2017, 04:56:29 PM
I think op. 90 is somewhere between moonlight and Tempest in terms of difficulty but it completely depends. Some People thinks it is as hard as Appasionata and some think it is one of the easiest. I think it is in the middle. But if you han do op. 90 justice you can probably do the Images. But that also depends on which your strenghts are. So I think the best one to say how difficult these pieces are is yourself, because I am sure my opinion is very different to your opinion. Hope I could help!

Thanks! Well, I would actually truly appreciate suggestions on new repertoire to play! I have played earlier pieces like Beethoven Op 90, Op 26 and Op 13 (all complete), Schubert complete op 90 and his  b-flat impromptu D 935 no 3, Chopin's Op 10 3 and 5, and his Op  37 no 2 and Op 48 no 1, Brahms Op 118 2, Bach's Italian Concerto(all mvts) and P&F in e minor bk 1 and E major bk 2. And also Mozart K  282, Rach's Op 32 10 in b minor and Debussy's complete Estampes. So if you have suggestion for new repertoire which is a Nice next step in difficulty really appreciate it!:)

Also, which piece is harder according to you between Rachmaninoff Op 23 5 and Op 32 10?
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #6 on: October 01, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
Depends on what you find hard. They're about the same; Op 32 10 is more taxing emotionally. Op. 32 5 has this weird rhythm that I am very weary of approaching. If you want to try to pull off the 5s, then go ahead. I am not brave enough right now (or else just lazy!).
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 06:41:58 AM
Quote from: beethovenfan01 on October 01, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
Depends on what you find hard. They're about the same; Op 32 10 is more taxing emotionally. Op. 32 5 has this weird rhythm that I am very weary of approaching. If you want to try to pull off the 5s, then go ahead. I am not brave enough right now (or else just lazy!).
Thanks for info, but I meant the other no 5 from Op 23, the famous one in G minor. Is that one harder or easier than the Op 32 10 in B minor?
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #8 on: October 02, 2017, 09:00:38 PM
Quote from: beebert on October 02, 2017, 06:41:58 AM
Thanks for info, but I meant the other no 5 from Op 23, the famous one in G minor. Is that one harder or easier than the Op 32 10 in B minor?
For me op 23 no 5 would be harder, but op 32 no 10 is more difficult in other ways. But as I said before, I can't till you what you will find more difficult. Try sight reading the pieces and decide for yourself which one you want to do, and which piece fits your strenghts.
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #9 on: October 02, 2017, 09:19:45 PM
Quote from: pianoville on October 02, 2017, 09:00:38 PM
For me op 23 no 5 would be harder, but op 32 no 10 is more difficult in other ways. But as I said before, I can't till you what you will find more difficult. Try sight reading the pieces and decide for yourself which one you want to do, and which piece fits your strenghts.
I have already played Op 32 10 actually! Which Beethoven sonata did you find harder between op 26 and Op 27 2?
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #10 on: October 04, 2017, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: beebert on October 02, 2017, 09:19:45 PM
I have already played Op 32 10 actually! Which Beethoven sonata did you find harder between op 26 and Op 27 2?

Op 26 without a doubt. Op 27 no 2 is a piece of cake compared to some of his other stuff. Also, how did you know that I had  played them?  :D
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Re: Debussy and Beethoven pieces
Reply #11 on: October 04, 2017, 04:43:07 PM
Quote from: pianoville on October 04, 2017, 03:08:47 PM
Op 26 without a doubt. Op 27 no 2 is a piece of cake compared to some of his other stuff. Also, how did you know that I had  played them?  :D
I saw it in another thread where you Asked about Op 110 I think it was. I also have played both and found Op 26 MUCH harder. Actually the 2nd mvt was really hard at some Places, and if you play the last mvt at a really fast tempo like Richter does it is far harder than the last mvt of Op 27 2. I asked because I wanted to see if someone agreed. I Always see 27 2 ranked higher in difficulty than Op 26 at all these difficulty lists. I believe you played op 28 too if I remember right? Was that one easier or harder than op 26?
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