Is there a time you accept you cannot advance to a higher level

[lostinidlewonder]

    I don't need to post a video.I don't need to show that ive been holding, calculating, then jumping.It's done.End of story.The results are very slow and small.You'll have to come up with far more than that.

Well I guess we have to believe you then lol. Unfortunately based on what you have shown in the past you did not follow instruction approrpriately. Since you have no interest to post any more videos of the issue it is obvious you believe again that you are doing it perfectly and exactly as explained. Too bad we don't have the videos you deleted were you had the exact same attitude yet went ahead demonstrating the advice with errors.

What about the fact i cannot transition from one note in to the chord to the next in a short enough period of time, or a consistent enough period of time, or that randomly i cant hit the correct note in the chord sequence.You don't give any answers for that.Or that jumping hand positions always produces errors in  spacial accuracy i.e hit the mark sometimes, and not others.You don't answer or adress that.You have no solutions for that.  Nor does any teacher, because it is all performed subconsciously and there are no set of instructions to correct that stuff. Doing practice or drills of any kind doesn't correct those things.
 

I think it has been sufficiently revealed that you have some unusual approach to your piano studies, you fob off excellent advice given to you and cooroborated between different teachers. My advice to you is not my advice, it is not something I created nor quantum. So now the answer is this:

Is there a time you accept you cannot advance to a higher level??

The answer in this case is certainly yes if there is a lack of ability to follow advice and ones attitude is bad enough.

[pianodannn]

  Why didn't you point out "all these unpianistic movements" when i posted the videos.You suggested one little thing to alter.What about all the rest? Why didn't you point out anything else i was doing wrong? And its not like its hard to eliminate the creeping.I get it, think first then move.It's done.Change took 1 minute to make.Move on to what else i can do, because jumping is like 1% of the answer.

[lostinidlewonder]

  Why didn't you point out "all these unpianistic movements" when i posted the videos.You suggested one little thing to alter.What about all the rest? Why didn't you point out anything else i was doing wrong? And its not like its hard to eliminate the creeping.I get it, think first then move.It's done.Change took 1 minute to make.Move on to what else i can do, because jumping is like 1% of the answer.

I suggested your calculation in the air was a very bad mistake. Your micro movements of your fingers to recalculate your positions was also pointed out as being bad, it's all still there I don't delete things like yourself and your videos. I am happy to leave you in error honestly, it is enough to point out you are not doing something correct. Now if you are not humbled by being pointed out how you are not always perfect in following instructions and continue shaking your fists as you are doing, I think its much better you remain in your situation. There are plenty more advice I could give you but I just don't want to, I don't think you are worthy of any more until there is an attitude change.

[pianodannn]

Well I guess we have to believe you then lol. Unfortunately based on what you have shown in the past you did not follow instruction approrpriately. Since you have no interest to post any more videos of the issue it is obvious you believe again that you are doing it perfectly and exactly as explained. Too bad we don't have the videos you deleted were you had the exact same attitude yet went ahead demonstrating the advice with errors.
I think it has been sufficiently revealed that you have some unusual approach to your piano studies, you fob off excellent advice given to you and cooroborated between different teachers. My advice to you is not my advice, it is not something I created nor quantum. So now the answer is this:

Is there a time you accept you cannot advance to a higher level??

The answer in this case is certainly yes if there is a lack of ability to follow advice and ones attitude is bad enough.

   In any event, ive already got an instructor.highest possible qualification, world class, second to none.Still, there will not be any rapid improvements. All he suggests produce the same small gains.If im doing anything wrong he will point it out.I dont think your really so qualified at all.Not really a teacher as such.
      Im not sure if you realise personality, and personality traits are inherited qualities.Personalities don't change.Ever. if the problem is my attitude, which i think is exceptionally unlikely, well there is nothing to be done.Nothing can change that. My current instructor doesn't complain i don't follow his instruction. So i guess im following his instruction pretty well.But whoopdy do. What does it achieve.

[lostinidlewonder]

   In any event, ive already got an instructor.highest possible qualification, world class, second to none.Still, there will not be any rapid improvements. All he suggests produce the same small gains.If im doing anything wrong he will point it out.I dont think your really so qualified at all.Not really a teacher as such.

Hmm a high quality teacher who has been teaching you yet you don't know how to do controlled pausing practice technique appropriately or even perhaps had not even heard of it before we suggested it in this thread and even more than likely had not looked into it with the very small amount of detail I provided as I corrected your wrong method? Well I don't really think your opinion holds much water being a stuggling student of piano who has a habit of denigrating all advice given to him by all the teachers and experienced pianists here who have tried to give you some advice. It is thus no surprise you have such attitude towards me, it really doesn't bother me at all you would have this attutide to whoever has pointed out your errors, I enjoy the whipping lol. 

Im not sure if you realise personality, and personality traits are inherited qualities.Personalities don't change.Ever. if the problem is my attitude, which i think is exceptionally unlikely, well there is nothing to be done.Nothing can change that. My current instructor doesn't complain i don't follow his instruction. So i guess im following his instruction pretty well.But whoopdy do. What does it achieve.

I'm am quite certain you have been told throughout your life your attitude needs adjusting, who hasn't? Most of us take note when people say this to us however. It is obvious you harbor some shame because you deleted all your videos when erorrs were pointed out to you and your ATTITUDE throughout those videos were you talking talking talking about how perfect and exact you were following the instruction and how it is not helping. Yes it is utterly your attitude, put your videos back up and then we can see that once more.

[pianodannn]

   The videos were of me talking and talking about how frustrated i am that nothing im doing produces any improvement, and that any advice consistently doesn't prove anywhere near as helpfull as any such contributor suggests it should.The attitude is squarely the result of the presented outcomes.How am i going to get a good attitude spending weeks at a time trying to perfect how to get 1% better. Suppose i perfect the chord jumps to your satisfaction.Now, when the speed of the arpeggio proves to be identical, what are you going to suggest after that?

[lostinidlewonder]

   The videos were of me talking and talking about how frustrated i am that nothing im doing produces any improvement, and that any advice consistently doesn't prove anywhere near as helpfull as any such contributor suggests it should.The attitude is squarely the result of the presented outcomes.How am i going to get a good attitude spending weeks at a time trying to perfect how to get 1% better. Suppose i perfect the chord jumps to your satisfaction.Now, when the speed of the arpeggio proves to be identical, what are you going to suggest after that?

In your videos you were saying things like "I'm doing it exactly as suggested" repeatedly then demonstrated an attempt at the practice method with errors which I already pointed out so there's no need for me to repeat myself.

So how are you supposed to appropriately measure the benefits of advice if you are not using it completely correct? When leaving this all in text not everyone will be able to benefit from it without being corrected and monitored during their attempts of the process. Thus it is much more logical to have a teacher sitting with you. Here we can only have snippets of videos of your playing (and it is ridiculous for you to expect text will save you from your situation since it has already been demonstrated that you can make errors thinking you are following text instruction perfectly where in fact you are making errors without even noticing your errors this was only made clear with a video), and the small parts where you attempt to demonstrate correct practice methodology showed you were making mistakes.

Unless you are a more talented self learner text advice pointing you in correct directions may not be enough to assist your experimentations. This is not the fault of the advice but the fact that you as an individual require more assistance during the process, something that cannot be effectively set up in text alone and is clumsy at best with video snippets.

[brogers70]

   The videos were of me talking and talking about how frustrated i am that nothing im doing produces any improvement, and that any advice consistently doesn't prove anywhere near as helpfull as any such contributor suggests it should.The attitude is squarely the result of the presented outcomes.How am i going to get a good attitude spending weeks at a time trying to perfect how to get 1% better. Suppose i perfect the chord jumps to your satisfaction.Now, when the speed of the arpeggio proves to be identical, what are you going to suggest after that?

You are convincing. You've made your point. Go ahead and just drop the piano. You are clearly not going to improve to any useful degree and you're getting pointlessly frustrated. At least take a break and do something else for a few months. There are lots of interesting ways to spend one's time; banging your head against a wall isn't one of them.

[pianodannn]

Probably a good idea.

[timothy42b]

   It's not like they engineered some special strategy to learn like that.They just learn like that, and thats that.A lot of people wouldnt have learned it even with a gun to their heads.

Yes, they did engineer some special strategy.

It involved two major concepts:  finding the expert who knew how to teach that special skill, and doing exactly what they said.  That's easy when you have that kind of budget, it's harder for us, but not impossible. 

[timothy42b]

    Or that jumping hand positions always produces errors in  spacial accuracy i.e hit the mark sometimes, and not others.You don't answer or adress that.You have no solutions for that.  Nor does any teacher, because it is all performed subconsciously and there are no set of instructions to correct that stuff. Doing practice or drills of any kind doesn't correct those things.
 

Actually that's not quite correct.  I (and Sergei Ignatov) did tell you a very effective strategy for addressing that, from the world of juggling. 

[dogperson]

After 142 posts, hasn’t anyone considered that talking about how to improve is not helping?  The OP needs to actually post himself DOING some of the suggested exercises snd get feedback.  He doesn’t want to do that. This thread has become like the person who discusses and reads about golf swings, but doesn’t want anyone to watch his swing and work through deficiencies.

[lostinidlewonder]

After 142 posts, hasn’t anyone considered that talking about how to improve is not helping?  The OP needs to actually post himself DOING some of the suggested exercises snd get feedback.  He doesn’t want to do that. This thread has become like the person who discusses and reads about golf swings, but doesn’t want anyone to watch his swing and work through deficiencies.

Oh gosh no you're the very first person to bring it up lol!

[dogperson]

Oh gosh no you're the very first person to bring it up lol!

I’m certainly not the first person to bring it up, but I don’t participate in pages of continued dialogue when we all know that dialogue is not what is needed.

[lostinidlewonder]

Yes you were not the first person to bring it up, it was a main topic of discussion for many posts, so it seems weird you would even mention it, though no so weird for someone who doesn't read posts and just wants to kibitz. 

.... I don’t participate in pages of continued dialogue when we all know that dialogue is not what is needed.

We? You mean your own opinion.

[dogperson]

Yes you were not the first person to bring it up, it was a main topic of discussion for many posts, so it seems weird you would even mention it, no so weird for someone who doesn't read posts and just wants to kibitz. 
We? You mean your own opinion.

It must be yours as well since you have posted the sand advice of ‘show us’.

[lostinidlewonder]

It must be yours as well since you have posted the sand advice of ‘show us’.

The OP required the dialogue because they did not believe that such things needed to be done in this manner. So it is indeed necessary to have the dialogue constantly pounding that advice. I certainly didn't go about word salading technical advice, I have threads devoted to the uselessness of such endevours if musical context is not strongly established.

[quantum]

Whenever someone has made a suggestion in this thread that directly addresses the technique concerns of the OP, the OP has gone to great length to write wordy responses that divert focus and make excuses on why he can't do such and such, or decides to ignore the advice and continue in the same manner as he has been doing.

[quantum]

   You need to come up with about 25 specific things, relating to that specific passsage, that i can change that would result in me playing it accurately, at the prescribed tempo.Doing chord jumps in the way you suggest cannot achieve this.

Even if someone here gave you such a list of 25 specific things, would you actually carry out the instructions?  Or would you continue to do things in a way that pleases yourself? 

[pianodannn]

Even if someone here gave you such a list of 25 specific things, would you actually carry out the instructions?  Or would you continue to do things in a way that pleases yourself?

   Well i guess the problem there, is each "thing" might require 30 hours, so 750 hours total to go through and test what outcome these things can bring about.So we soon come back to this realization that no, you can't just spend a week or 2 or 3 on some skill, and see real improvement.That just doesn't seem realistic, but i'm still told i should  see real improvement quickly once i work out what is missing from the picture here.Just that it might take hundreds of hours trying one thing after the other. That doesn't seem to be how a lot of other learners go about making amazing progress in no time flat.Did it take you 1000 hours to learn to play an arpeggio at that speed? If not, i assume you didn't go through a process of deciphering not always clearly defined concepts, implementing those concepts over a period of time, measuring the result, before moving on to the next concept, and the next so on and so forth.We still can't seem to describe a time efficient process here.

[pianodannn]

For me to try everything thoroughly that has been mentioned, well i have to report back in 2 years time.After that theres still going to be a lot more i have to learn.This process is clearly not the one efficient learners go through.
    Probably the best thing is move back to easier material, spend a considerable time there, before making any further attempts at anything more difficult.I'm not cut out to be playing at such high level.There are no silver bullets which can rapidly change that.

[pianodannn]

   For whatever underlying reasons that there is no point going into here, I have trouble dealing with the fact i can't make progress anything like some, or perhaps many other people can. I can forsee myself becoming continually frustrated so long as i pursue it, unless i become emotionally confortable with the reality of just being totally ordinary at it.As long as there is any specific desire to be "good" or as good as somebody else, this frustration will be perpetuated. Unfortunately this compulsion to compare is deeply ingrained into most of humanity from birth. This is the competitive nature of humanity.Learning not to compare is no simple task at all.Some are lucky not to suffer from that vice.Myself, no.

[klavieronin]

I can forsee myself becoming continually frustrated so long as i pursue it, unless i become emotionally confortable with the reality of just being totally ordinary at it.

You hit the nail on the head here. I think this is an important lesson to learn and applies to many things in life.

[brogers70]

   For whatever underlying reasons that there is no point going into here, I have trouble dealing with the fact i can't make progress anything like some, or perhaps many other people can. I can forsee myself becoming continually frustrated so long as i pursue it, unless i become emotionally confortable with the reality of just being totally ordinary at it.As long as there is any specific desire to be "good" or as good as somebody else, this frustration will be perpetuated. Unfortunately this compulsion to compare is deeply ingrained into most of humanity from birth. This is the competitive nature of humanity.Learning not to compare is no simple task at all.Some are lucky not to suffer from that vice.Myself, no.

Sounds like you've figured out what's going on. The thing is, no matter how talented and diligent you are at the thing you love, unless you are Einstein or Rubenstein or Nadal there will ALWAYS be somebody who does the thing you love and work hardest at better than you do it. Always. So, either it's OK to be "ordinary" or all of humanity, apart from a handful of individuals, is doomed to a life of misery and frustration. So I think learning not to compare yourself in that way is a lot more important than learning to play arpeggios fast.

[ranjit]

   For whatever underlying reasons that there is no point going into here, I have trouble dealing with the fact i can't make progress anything like some, or perhaps many other people can. I can forsee myself becoming continually frustrated so long as i pursue it, unless i become emotionally confortable with the reality of just being totally ordinary at it.As long as there is any specific desire to be "good" or as good as somebody else, this frustration will be perpetuated. Unfortunately this compulsion to compare is deeply ingrained into most of humanity from birth. This is the competitive nature of humanity.Learning not to compare is no simple task at all.Some are lucky not to suffer from that vice.Myself, no.

I face the same thing, lol. Even if you are a good, 'talented' student, the comparison really doesn't end. Unless you can learn Gaspard de la Nuit in less than 5 days as Argerich apparently did. Until I do something similar, I think I'll feel that I am somewhat average at the piano.

[jasarthur]

Talent is not limitless. I had to accept years ago that I had reached a ceiling in my ability to learn and perform. The hard part, as a teacher, is to realize a student has plateaued. Some of them give up, some plod ahead, and a few I have to let go.

[timothy42b]

   So we soon come back to this realization that no, you can't just spend a week or 2 or 3 on some skill, and see real improvement.That just doesn't seem realistic, but i'm still told i should  see real improvement quickly once i work out what is missing from the picture here.Just that it might take hundreds of hours trying one thing after the other. That doesn't seem to be how a lot of other learners go about making amazing progress in no time flat.

Did it take you 1000 hours to learn to play an arpeggio at that speed?

Most beginners are starting on that arpeggio relatively fresh.  A little focused practice, with guidance, and sometimes progress can come quickly.

However.  You are unlike most beginners.  You've practiced that arpeggio wrong for 10 years, 3 hours a day.  It's not just learning something new for you, it's unlearning something that you've done all your life, with focused attention. 

This is the danger all dedicated practicers face. 

[timothy42b]

The thing is, no matter how talented and diligent you are at the thing you love, unless you are Einstein or Rubenstein or Nadal there will ALWAYS be somebody who does the thing you love and work hardest at better than you do it.

No matter what instrument or sport you dedicate your life to, there is an 8 year old on youtube twice as good. 

It's very dishearening!  hee, hee. 

[pianodannn]

Most beginners are starting on that arpeggio relatively fresh.  A little focused practice, with guidance, and sometimes progress can come quickly.

However.  You are unlike most beginners.  You've practiced that arpeggio wrong for 10 years, 3 hours a day.  It's not just learning something new for you, it's unlearning something that you've done all your life, with focused attention. 

This is the danger all dedicated practicers face.

   Well really, ive only practiced that arpeggio for 6 months, not 10 years.As far as practising right, well that is not so clear as the "right" way is often debated, even among experts. So it would seem to be considerable chance as to whether one ends of practicing the right way.

[lostinidlewonder]

As far as practising right, well that is not so clear as the "right" way is often debated, even among experts. So it would seem to be considerable chance as to whether one ends of practicing the right way.

So even though multiple people suggested controlled pausing technique you ignore the fact that this was cooborated between different teachers. Oh dear that goes against your crazy ideas that the "right" way is often debated amongst experts. lol. You have experts telling you something and you say it doesn't work, someone who is a struggling pianist who can't practice well on their own (and this was pointed out in the videos you quickly deleted and in those videos you were saying how perfect you were but how useless advice was lol) Let's not forget your attitude, it is the crux of all these problems. Your postulations about music education is highly short sighted.

What is more disturbing is that you attempted a simple practice method, before posting a video about it you say there is no way you can do it wrong, you post a video, it is pointed out how wrong you are, you delete said videos and then continue your same story. It has already been pointed out to you practice methods are not as effective for you because you are doing it wrong and require a teacher to assist you WHILE you are doing it.

Your ideology is from a struggling student, which thank goodness is not a ubiquitos expereince across all individuals. You have to realise you are not that good and require assistance. You have not got a good teacher who can assist you well enough thus you have never experienced real guidance. I wonder why you bother studying with a so called famous concert pianist if there is absolutely nothing you can tell that helps you? Can you please list off things your teacher has taught you which has benefited you and helped you a lot? If you say there is absolutely nothing then it is obvious you are just a troll or a severely closed minded person who always thinks they are doing perfect and it is the advice which is a failure.

[pianodannn]

OMG(eyes roll to back of head). I don't know what to say. Do you scincerely believe, that if i do the jumps to your precise standard, and every body gets together in a little group to all assess the method and agree that it's being followed impeccably to recommended standard, i will be doing amazing arpeggios, or even moderately faster? Just for the record, such jumps are certainly not  always recommended as any part of learning arpeggios.Some highly accomplished pianists dont employ them for learning arpeggios at all. Nonetheless, ive been doing them, with no creeping at all, but nonetheless, its a damn slow path to a fast arpeggio.So what else is up your sleeve? There must be a whole host of things wrong with how i was pulling off the arpeggios, because it is extraordinarilly difficult to play the arpeggios, unless at a very modest pace.I was told my technique was not bad.So why is it still so incredibly difficult to do?

[pianodannn]

  For the entire duration of this thread(i cant even remember how long thats been) Ive worked on those arpeggios almost every day for at least an hour, probably 2, literally just focussed on finding any possible way to shift my hands through those arpeggios even slightly faster.I can play them about  2 bpm faster now than when i started.I don't understand, it's just impossible to do anything that works.Just today i used about 6 different methods all designed for fast arpeggios.At the end of every practice session, its just the same series of mistakes at the same speed i was making weeks and weeks ago.Literally identical rate of error.Hands feel tired and strained .Mentally no energy to do it.Nothing works or has any affect or influence one way or another.None whatsoever. Can you see it's not really hard to understand that there is no reason a person in this predicament would NOT have a negative attitude.You can't have a positive attitude in the circumstances.Everything just amounts to squat. All changes in practice regime just lead to diddly squat.

[lostinidlewonder]

Do you scincerely believe, that if i do the jumps to your precise standard, and every body gets together in a little group to all assess the method and agree that it's being followed impeccably to recommended standard, i will be doing amazing arpeggios, or even moderately faster?

It is the fact that your practice method as a whole in inefficient that you need to reassess your approach towards impoving the pieces you tackle. It was given to you the idea of controlled pausing and from not just one member here. Then you kept saying it's not working so I provoked you to post a video of you doing it even though you said there was no way you would do anything wrong. Then it was pointed out to you how you were doing it wrong. Instead of showing us how to do it correctly you deleted all your videos and refused to show us that you understood what we wanted from you. I then suggest to you that you require a teacher to do through this with you WHILE you are attemping it. It is a much more practical solution. Instead it seems you want the solution through WORDS ONLY since you no longer want to show us videos of your practice attempts. How can we help you when you actually need a teacher to guide you through the process while you are attempting it at the piano?

So again, it is nothing to do with the advice, it is that you require assistance to go through that advice appropriately. Once you have that guidance then you can do it yourself. A much more talented student of piano might be able to just use words and be pointed in a correct direction, I assure you the vast majority require assistance while they are doing it and learning to understand it.

It has been pointed out to you as clear as day that you do not follow the instruction exactly as it should be done. This then should prompt you to question what other practice routines that you attempt might have inefficiencies scattered throughout. This certainly makes a large difference.  It should logically conclude that if you do not follow some instruction as prescribed this can set you up for problems. As the technical tightrope narrows what you can get away with becomes much more narrow and certainly practicing wrong can cause you to get nowhere. You require a good teacher who can guide you through appropriate practice methodology.

Just for the record, such jumps are certainly not  always recommended as any part of learning arpeggios.Some highly accomplished pianists dont employ them for learning arpeggios at all.

Why don't you quote these highly accomplished pianists and show us EXACTLY what they said and in which context. You can't just say random things like this and think it means anything at all. 

Nonetheless, ive been doing them, with no creeping at all, but nonetheless, its a damn slow path to a fast arpeggio.So what else is up your sleeve?

You refuse to send any videos of your practice attempt so how can we tell if you are doing it correct or not? You throw mud at all advice given to you and it is because you are not using the correct. Any other normal person would think what they are doing wrong, instead you blame the advice not yourself which is rather ridiculous. You deleted a number of videos which demonstrated this truth, it is also true that in all those videos you run your mouth off that you were doing everything perfect but you were doing it incorrectly lol.

There must be a whole host of things wrong with how i was pulling off the arpeggios, because it is extraordinarilly difficult to play the arpeggios, unless at a very modest pace.I was told my technique was not bad.So why is it still so incredibly difficult to do?

Its "extraordinarilly difficult" for you. It's impossible for some, it is a walk in the park for others. You have to realize YOUR REALITY is not the same reality for everyone. It is difficult for you to do because you do not know how to appropriately use effective strategies to improve it when it is described to you in words. You need an experienced teacher to guide you through that process. It is a shame your top class teacher doesn't do this with you.

[lostinidlewonder]

  For the entire duration of this thread(i cant even remember how long thats been) Ive worked on those arpeggios almost every day for at least an hour, probably 2, literally just focussed on finding any possible way to shift my hands through those arpeggios even slightly faster.I can play them about  2 bpm faster now than when i started.

lolx564562!

I don't understand, it's just impossible to do anything that works.

You don't understand because you think you use all the advice perfectly where you are not. You don't realise that you need to adjust your approach, you should ask your top class teacher to help you.

Just today i used about 6 different methods all designed for fast arpeggios.At the end of every practice session, its just the same series of mistakes at the same speed i was making weeks and weeks ago.Literally identical rate of error.Hands feel tired and strained .Mentally no energy to do it.Nothing works or has any affect or influence one way or another.None whatsoever.

Because you are using them all wrong or using poor advice. Can you list all the advice you used and show us a video of your attempts of all said advice please?

[pianodannn]

 Contributors in the forum suggested increasing tempo in large jumps.I did that with a metronome.It doesn't work. Contributors suggest building sequences of notes at an elevated tempo.I did that, building 1 note at a time at an elevated tempo.However, groups or sequences of notes don't simulate the stress of playing entire passages.So once again, it falls apart after moving away from short sequences, to full passages. It was suggested i was carrying too much tension.So i focus on being as loose as possible, and my instructor confirms im loose.But being loose brings about it's own array of problems.I used 3 or 4 fingering exercises recommended by accomplished pianists, not directly related to arpeggios, but intended for general speed and looseness.I can't notice yet it's any easier to generate speed.There more things i have used, all recommended by highly accomplished pianists i.e playing in alterating rythyms, different speeds etc. etc. Nothing is working. Most of these exercises really dont allow for misinterperetation on the method.Do you really want me to post a video of your suggested non creeping jumps.You WILL find out the hard way that whatever you correct will make no difference.

[pianodannn]

 You know you will end up just as frustrated as me when nothing you adjust or correct overcomes the problems.Im telling you, it just wont work.Well not very well anyway.

[pianodannn]

lolx564562!
You don't understand because you think you use all the advice perfectly where you are not. You don't realise that you need to adjust your approach, you should ask your top class teacher to help you.
Because you are using them all wrong or using poor advice. Can you list all the advice you used and show us a video of your attempts of all said advice please?

   How about you tell me which exercises to post videos of, AND which specific shortcomings i should avoid( you would be able to anticipate the likely errors based on your experience) Pick exercises that you believe can result in a MEANINGFULL improvement i.e 10% change in tempo, free of any errors, within 2 weeks, and absolutely no longer.Unless your recommended exercises result in this change, we can confirm that practice method is no solution to a poor performing learner.

[lostinidlewonder]

   How about you tell me which exercises to post videos of, AND which specific shortcomings i should avoid( you would be able to anticipate the likely errors based on your experience) Pick exercises that you believe can result in a MEANINGFULL improvement i.e 10% change in tempo, free of any errors, within 2 weeks, and absolutely no longer.Unless your recommended exercises result in this change, we can confirm that practice method is no solution to a poor performing learner.

I'm sorry I'm not a psychic, I do not know what ~6 arpeggio method advice you said you have just tried and all failed you.

[pianodannn]

 Can you advise exercises that will work, or not? You've seen my hands, so tell me why they can't play an arpeggio.Hurry up, i dont have 50 years to learn it.Exercises.Which ones work.Then i post the videos.Lets see if after i fix every miniscule detail you pick, there is any improvement in my ability.

[lostinidlewonder]

Can you advise exercises that will work, or not? You've seen my hands, so tell me why they can't play an arpeggio.Hurry up, i dont have 50 years to learn it.Exercises.Which ones work.Then i post the videos.Lets see if after i fix every miniscule detail you pick, there is any improvement in my ability.

I would like to see these 6 methods you attempted and all that failed. Please post your attempts at all of these. This is a more logical request since you have already spent time with these and believe you must be doing them all as exactly asked.

[pianodannn]

O.k so when i get time, which i am fast running out of, i will post the videos, the experts who recommended the exercise, and whether the experts list any shortcomings that need to be avoided during the exercise, other than completing what is described in the basic description of the exercise, i.e build a sequence of notes, starting with 1, 2 , 3 ,4 so on and so forth.Once all the exercises are corrected to whatever you think they should be, you can find out first hand they don't work O.K?

[lostinidlewonder]

An obvious corrective will heavily rest on your ability to use 6 different methods, which aimed to improve arpeggios, within another musical context you are studying. Most likely your attempts at applying the knowledge will be riddled with errors and misconceptions when applying it to another given situation. This has already been pointed out to you when you attempted controlled pausing methods and posted a video where you exclaimed you were doing everything perfect but instead you were doing things incorrect, you then you deleted all your videos and refused to post any more on the exact issue.

Now you want to bring in 6 new methods. Are we to be confident that you would even take our advice again correctly? Do we have to go through each and every video with you and then ask you to post examples of your attempt at our correctives so then ensure you are doing that correct again and then continue the process until you are all sorted out? Does that sound like a good process to go through??? Why don't you ask your top class teacher you are studying with?

[pianodannn]

 I did ask the teacher.Yes i,'m doing them correctly.But as you say, it is too cumbersome continually posting videos, so i guess theres not much can be done via the forum.

[pianodannn]

An obvious corrective will heavily rest on your ability to use 6 different methods, which aimed to improve arpeggios, within another musical context you are studying. Most likely your attempts at applying the knowledge will be riddled with errors and misconceptions when applying it to another given situation. This has already been pointed out to you when you attempted controlled pausing methods and posted a video where you exclaimed you were doing everything perfect but instead you were doing things incorrect, you then you deleted all your videos and refused to post any more on the exact issue.

Now you want to bring in 6 new methods. Are we to be confident that you would even take our advice again correctly? Do we have to go through each and every video with you and then ask you to post examples of your attempt at our correctives so then ensure you are doing that correct again and then continue the process until you are all sorted out? Does that sound like a good process to go through??? Why don't you ask your top class teacher you are studying with?

   As regards the jumping exercise, no it was not being done incorrectly.Perhaps you didn't like one aspect of it.That doesn't make it incorrect.Further to that, doing it precisely as you suggest is of little benefit anyways.So you might as well stop picking on the method, because it's not the reason for my difficulties.

[pianodannn]

   Also you never asked me to post another video, you simply asked that i reduced the creeping(which was minimal anyways) which i subsequently did.So making a reasonable assumption that i'm not stopping to fix a cup of coffee between one chord position and the next, there is no reason for you to even suspect i didn't rectify the creeping.I told you it was rectified.It is rectified.You need to suggest things that actually have some effect.Things that have no effect can't be used.Do you understand that bit?

[lostinidlewonder]

I did ask the teacher.Yes i,'m doing them correctly.But as you say, it is too cumbersome continually posting videos, so i guess theres not much can be done via the forum.

For you there is not much that can be done through the forum since it has already been established you need a teacher to sit with you WHILE you attempt the advice. This reality was established when you posted some videos where you constantly said you were doing everything perfectly correct as suggested yet you were doing it wrong. You quickly deleted those videos.

   As regards the jumping exercise, no it was not being done incorrectly.Perhaps you didn't like one aspect of it.That doesn't make it incorrect.Further to that, doing it precisely as you suggest is of little benefit anyways.So you might as well stop picking on the method, because it's not the reason for my difficulties.

Lol obviously the idea of application of knoweldge has gone over your head because you made no attempt responding to it, just like a lot of other important points which you disregard, it must hurt you too much lolol. Doesn't surprise me and also I don't care to educate you on that any more if you missed it.

It was not ONE aspect of it, there were multiple issues, perhaps you have blocked it out of your mind what errors you had, go back and read its still there, I did not delete it unlike you and your videos.

Doing the advice PRECISELY is beneficial however you have not done it thus you cannot understand the benefits, that is why you say there is little benefit, it's your own fault for attempting something where you actually need a teacher to advise you WHILE you are doing it.

It is rather amusing how you come to conclusions and think they are ultimate truths that cannot be changed. So you dig your own hole, create your own hell, do idiotic things like practice 100s of hours (which i think is a lie, if it is a truth then you are quite insane) to get 2bpm increase lol.

   Also you never asked me to post another video, you simply asked that i reduced the creeping(which was minimal anyways) which i subsequently did.

Oh gosh, you live in your own little world. Go back and see the number of times I told you to post another video. This is rather like a special olympics debate with you its so dumb.

So making a reasonable assumption that i'm not stopping to fix a cup of coffee between one chord position and the next, there is no reason for you to even suspect i didn't rectify the creeping.I told you it was rectified.It is rectified.You need to suggest things that actually have some effect.Things that have no effect can't be used.Do you understand that bit?

I don't believe what you say, you said there was no chance of error before you posted the videos, then you posted some caustic videos where you ran your mouth off saying how perfect you were but then it was pointed out how wrong you where, you quickly deleted those videos. Your attitude is just ridiculous, you think it goes unnoticed? Im sorry you DID NOT rectify the advice, you did not improve, you simply kept doing it wrong and wondered why it didnt help you. That is the reality of the situation. No one can help you really.

[pianodannn]

  Stop responding.Not like you have any solutions anyway.Ill just work with the instructor who can make absolutely certain i do everything correct.Hes better qualified than anybody on this forum.Several things you suggest are not even correct or accepted methodology. I don't even know how you come up with it.End of the day nobody even knows how to learn piano.Every one of you think something different.Basically none of you have the vaguest clue, and Ben especially already admitted he had countless students who perform garbage even though they follow his instruction to the letter.Perhaps they just have no talent? Or maybe sonething in their brain just doesn't work like the next student. All it takes in 1 tiny difference in the brain to completely change the capacity to learn.But some people are clearly to dumb to realise this.You would think 2 students sitting side by side under the exact same instruction, having 1 of them do absolute garbage, and the other sky rocketing to world class performance, would drive home that point.But no, apparently the talentless ones just need that nurturing.Yeah right.....

[lostinidlewonder]

  Stop responding.Not like you have any solutions anyway.Ill just work with the instructor who can make absolutely certain i do everything correct.Hes better qualified than anybody on this forum

And yet here you are.

...Ben especially already admitted he had countless students who perform garbage even though they follow his instruction to the letter.Perhaps they just have no talent? Or maybe sonething in their brain just doesn't work like the next student. All it takes in 1 tiny difference in the brain to completely change the capacity to learn.But some people are clearly to dumb to realise this.You would think 2 students sitting side by side under the exact same instruction, having 1 of them do absolute garbage, and the other sky rocketing to world class performance, would drive home that point.But no, apparently the talentless ones just need that nurturing.Yeah right.....

A ramblings of a know it all who actually doesn't know much at all. You probably need great assistance with reading comprehension, maybe some english forums?

[pianodannn]

 I thought you said you weren't replying anymore?
   Maybe if i have reading and comprehension problems, its a sign of intellectual shortcomings.Don't you think an intellectual shortcoming might well explain a lack of progress? Makes perfect sense doesn't it.

[pianodannn]

Do you normally just continually deflect blame to the student, who can't make the progress you want to be true.I think its a bit dangerous forcing down the throat of students who can't progress, even when they are retarded and brain damaged, that they can't accomplish wonders with the right practice.Accuse them of lying about their practice.Do you always accuse your flagging students of lying about their practice habits, so you can force blame onto them?