I don't need to post a video.I don't need to show that ive been holding, calculating, then jumping.It's done.End of story.The results are very slow and small.You'll have to come up with far more than that.
What about the fact i cannot transition from one note in to the chord to the next in a short enough period of time, or a consistent enough period of time, or that randomly i cant hit the correct note in the chord sequence.You don't give any answers for that.Or that jumping hand positions always produces errors in spacial accuracy i.e hit the mark sometimes, and not others.You don't answer or adress that.You have no solutions for that. Nor does any teacher, because it is all performed subconsciously and there are no set of instructions to correct that stuff. Doing practice or drills of any kind doesn't correct those things.
Why didn't you point out "all these unpianistic movements" when i posted the videos.You suggested one little thing to alter.What about all the rest? Why didn't you point out anything else i was doing wrong? And its not like its hard to eliminate the creeping.I get it, think first then move.It's done.Change took 1 minute to make.Move on to what else i can do, because jumping is like 1% of the answer.
Well I guess we have to believe you then lol. Unfortunately based on what you have shown in the past you did not follow instruction approrpriately. Since you have no interest to post any more videos of the issue it is obvious you believe again that you are doing it perfectly and exactly as explained. Too bad we don't have the videos you deleted were you had the exact same attitude yet went ahead demonstrating the advice with errors. I think it has been sufficiently revealed that you have some unusual approach to your piano studies, you fob off excellent advice given to you and cooroborated between different teachers. My advice to you is not my advice, it is not something I created nor quantum. So now the answer is this:Is there a time you accept you cannot advance to a higher level??The answer in this case is certainly yes if there is a lack of ability to follow advice and ones attitude is bad enough.
In any event, ive already got an instructor.highest possible qualification, world class, second to none.Still, there will not be any rapid improvements. All he suggests produce the same small gains.If im doing anything wrong he will point it out.I dont think your really so qualified at all.Not really a teacher as such.
Im not sure if you realise personality, and personality traits are inherited qualities.Personalities don't change.Ever. if the problem is my attitude, which i think is exceptionally unlikely, well there is nothing to be done.Nothing can change that. My current instructor doesn't complain i don't follow his instruction. So i guess im following his instruction pretty well.But whoopdy do. What does it achieve.
The videos were of me talking and talking about how frustrated i am that nothing im doing produces any improvement, and that any advice consistently doesn't prove anywhere near as helpfull as any such contributor suggests it should.The attitude is squarely the result of the presented outcomes.How am i going to get a good attitude spending weeks at a time trying to perfect how to get 1% better. Suppose i perfect the chord jumps to your satisfaction.Now, when the speed of the arpeggio proves to be identical, what are you going to suggest after that?
It's not like they engineered some special strategy to learn like that.They just learn like that, and thats that.A lot of people wouldnt have learned it even with a gun to their heads.
Or that jumping hand positions always produces errors in spacial accuracy i.e hit the mark sometimes, and not others.You don't answer or adress that.You have no solutions for that. Nor does any teacher, because it is all performed subconsciously and there are no set of instructions to correct that stuff. Doing practice or drills of any kind doesn't correct those things.
After 142 posts, hasn’t anyone considered that talking about how to improve is not helping? The OP needs to actually post himself DOING some of the suggested exercises snd get feedback. He doesn’t want to do that. This thread has become like the person who discusses and reads about golf swings, but doesn’t want anyone to watch his swing and work through deficiencies.
Oh gosh no you're the very first person to bring it up lol!
.... I don’t participate in pages of continued dialogue when we all know that dialogue is not what is needed.
Yes you were not the first person to bring it up, it was a main topic of discussion for many posts, so it seems weird you would even mention it, no so weird for someone who doesn't read posts and just wants to kibitz. We? You mean your own opinion.
It must be yours as well since you have posted the sand advice of ‘show us’.
You need to come up with about 25 specific things, relating to that specific passsage, that i can change that would result in me playing it accurately, at the prescribed tempo.Doing chord jumps in the way you suggest cannot achieve this.
Even if someone here gave you such a list of 25 specific things, would you actually carry out the instructions? Or would you continue to do things in a way that pleases yourself?
I can forsee myself becoming continually frustrated so long as i pursue it, unless i become emotionally confortable with the reality of just being totally ordinary at it.
For whatever underlying reasons that there is no point going into here, I have trouble dealing with the fact i can't make progress anything like some, or perhaps many other people can. I can forsee myself becoming continually frustrated so long as i pursue it, unless i become emotionally confortable with the reality of just being totally ordinary at it.As long as there is any specific desire to be "good" or as good as somebody else, this frustration will be perpetuated. Unfortunately this compulsion to compare is deeply ingrained into most of humanity from birth. This is the competitive nature of humanity.Learning not to compare is no simple task at all.Some are lucky not to suffer from that vice.Myself, no.
So we soon come back to this realization that no, you can't just spend a week or 2 or 3 on some skill, and see real improvement.That just doesn't seem realistic, but i'm still told i should see real improvement quickly once i work out what is missing from the picture here.Just that it might take hundreds of hours trying one thing after the other. That doesn't seem to be how a lot of other learners go about making amazing progress in no time flat.Did it take you 1000 hours to learn to play an arpeggio at that speed?
The thing is, no matter how talented and diligent you are at the thing you love, unless you are Einstein or Rubenstein or Nadal there will ALWAYS be somebody who does the thing you love and work hardest at better than you do it.
Most beginners are starting on that arpeggio relatively fresh. A little focused practice, with guidance, and sometimes progress can come quickly.However. You are unlike most beginners. You've practiced that arpeggio wrong for 10 years, 3 hours a day. It's not just learning something new for you, it's unlearning something that you've done all your life, with focused attention. This is the danger all dedicated practicers face.
As far as practising right, well that is not so clear as the "right" way is often debated, even among experts. So it would seem to be considerable chance as to whether one ends of practicing the right way.
Do you scincerely believe, that if i do the jumps to your precise standard, and every body gets together in a little group to all assess the method and agree that it's being followed impeccably to recommended standard, i will be doing amazing arpeggios, or even moderately faster?
Just for the record, such jumps are certainly not always recommended as any part of learning arpeggios.Some highly accomplished pianists dont employ them for learning arpeggios at all.
Nonetheless, ive been doing them, with no creeping at all, but nonetheless, its a damn slow path to a fast arpeggio.So what else is up your sleeve?
There must be a whole host of things wrong with how i was pulling off the arpeggios, because it is extraordinarilly difficult to play the arpeggios, unless at a very modest pace.I was told my technique was not bad.So why is it still so incredibly difficult to do?
For the entire duration of this thread(i cant even remember how long thats been) Ive worked on those arpeggios almost every day for at least an hour, probably 2, literally just focussed on finding any possible way to shift my hands through those arpeggios even slightly faster.I can play them about 2 bpm faster now than when i started.
I don't understand, it's just impossible to do anything that works.
Just today i used about 6 different methods all designed for fast arpeggios.At the end of every practice session, its just the same series of mistakes at the same speed i was making weeks and weeks ago.Literally identical rate of error.Hands feel tired and strained .Mentally no energy to do it.Nothing works or has any affect or influence one way or another.None whatsoever.
lolx564562!You don't understand because you think you use all the advice perfectly where you are not. You don't realise that you need to adjust your approach, you should ask your top class teacher to help you. Because you are using them all wrong or using poor advice. Can you list all the advice you used and show us a video of your attempts of all said advice please?
How about you tell me which exercises to post videos of, AND which specific shortcomings i should avoid( you would be able to anticipate the likely errors based on your experience) Pick exercises that you believe can result in a MEANINGFULL improvement i.e 10% change in tempo, free of any errors, within 2 weeks, and absolutely no longer.Unless your recommended exercises result in this change, we can confirm that practice method is no solution to a poor performing learner.
Can you advise exercises that will work, or not? You've seen my hands, so tell me why they can't play an arpeggio.Hurry up, i dont have 50 years to learn it.Exercises.Which ones work.Then i post the videos.Lets see if after i fix every miniscule detail you pick, there is any improvement in my ability.
An obvious corrective will heavily rest on your ability to use 6 different methods, which aimed to improve arpeggios, within another musical context you are studying. Most likely your attempts at applying the knowledge will be riddled with errors and misconceptions when applying it to another given situation. This has already been pointed out to you when you attempted controlled pausing methods and posted a video where you exclaimed you were doing everything perfect but instead you were doing things incorrect, you then you deleted all your videos and refused to post any more on the exact issue. Now you want to bring in 6 new methods. Are we to be confident that you would even take our advice again correctly? Do we have to go through each and every video with you and then ask you to post examples of your attempt at our correctives so then ensure you are doing that correct again and then continue the process until you are all sorted out? Does that sound like a good process to go through??? Why don't you ask your top class teacher you are studying with?
I did ask the teacher.Yes i,'m doing them correctly.But as you say, it is too cumbersome continually posting videos, so i guess theres not much can be done via the forum.
As regards the jumping exercise, no it was not being done incorrectly.Perhaps you didn't like one aspect of it.That doesn't make it incorrect.Further to that, doing it precisely as you suggest is of little benefit anyways.So you might as well stop picking on the method, because it's not the reason for my difficulties.
Also you never asked me to post another video, you simply asked that i reduced the creeping(which was minimal anyways) which i subsequently did.
So making a reasonable assumption that i'm not stopping to fix a cup of coffee between one chord position and the next, there is no reason for you to even suspect i didn't rectify the creeping.I told you it was rectified.It is rectified.You need to suggest things that actually have some effect.Things that have no effect can't be used.Do you understand that bit?
Stop responding.Not like you have any solutions anyway.Ill just work with the instructor who can make absolutely certain i do everything correct.Hes better qualified than anybody on this forum
...Ben especially already admitted he had countless students who perform garbage even though they follow his instruction to the letter.Perhaps they just have no talent? Or maybe sonething in their brain just doesn't work like the next student. All it takes in 1 tiny difference in the brain to completely change the capacity to learn.But some people are clearly to dumb to realise this.You would think 2 students sitting side by side under the exact same instruction, having 1 of them do absolute garbage, and the other sky rocketing to world class performance, would drive home that point.But no, apparently the talentless ones just need that nurturing.Yeah right.....
Topic: Is there a time you accept you cannot advance to a higher level 