Religious Debate Room Part Duex

[cziffra]

twinkle fingers, you have to be the stupidest person i know-

Quote:i'm not talking about the usage of a word, i'm talking about the concept of being able to accept your own fallability.  
 
will you?

did you notice the SEVERAL occasions i did this or were you too busy contemplating the awesomeness of your ignorant dim-wittedness?

viz a viz, IMMEDIATELY after the quote you used, there was-

i'm not talking about the usage of a word, i'm talking about the concept of being able to accept your own fallability.

P.S i MAY BE WRONG.  but if you're going to tell me that, at least talk about what i said, not about a dictionary.

there was also this:

P.S i have no idea how the universe started.  i don't claim to know.  how can a human being know something that immense?  similarly i do not know if god exists.  he may, he may not.  he may be in the form you say, he may not.  he may be a she or an it.  he may be dead.  i do not know, and i never will.  the only thing i know is that i do not know.  

do you bother to read all of it or do you just react to the bits your meagre brain can is provoked by?

sorr for the language but for the sake of pete- i wrote I MAY BE WRONG- how much more obvious do you want an acception of fallability!?

[Noah]

From one of your propaganda website : "What happened to Jonah while he was in the belly of the whale (or fish)...?? How was he protected from the creatures natural digestive process?"
Ginnie B. 8/19/01

Answer:
We are not given enough details to know for sure what sea creature this was, so any ideas on how Jonah was not digested would be mere speculation.

The Bible said that God "prepared" the creature, so in doing so I'm sure he protected Jonah.

This is all very vague. You didn't provide me with any proof whatsoever... And about the 1800's story, it's the same kind of people as the ones who claim they've been abducted by aliens. So here we are, still no proof.

twinkle fingers, you have to be the stupidest person i know

[Wired]

This is all very vague. You didn't provide me with any proof whatsoever... And about the 1800's story, it's the same kind of people as the ones who claim they've been abducted by aliens. So here we are, still no proof.

Well, how about some proof that it isn't possible? We've shown a few possible scenarios, now you prove that they aren't possible.

[cziffra]

i think that the universe came into being as a result of an enormous sneeze of a large mystical turkey existing in boundless nether, how periodocally jives to the tune of "I got Rhythm."  i also believe that when we die we enter a world where life goes backwards, so that in fact we get to leave the world as an orgasm.  i also believe that god is in fact an animate pile of the mystical turkey's excrement, the result of an accidental concoction of berroca and honey juice.

Well, how about some proof that it isn't possible? I've shown a few possible scenarios, now you prove that they aren't possible.

[Noah]

i think that the universe came into being as a result of an enormous sneeze of a large mystical turkey existing in boundless nether, how periodocally jives to the tune of "I got Rhythm."  i also believe that when we die we enter a world where life goes backwards, so that in fact we get to leave the world as an orgasm.  i also believe that god is in fact an animate pile of the mystical turkey's excrement, the result of an accidental concoction of berroca and honey juice.

Well, how about some proof that it isn't possible? I've shown a few possible scenarios, now you prove that they aren't possible.

Exactly.

Wired, I'll just encourage you to get inside a giant fish for 3 days yourself since you think it's possible. There are so many arguments one could give to show it's impossible I don't know which one to pick. I'll just repeat myself with the digestive process question. The websites you posted don't even provide an explanation for this, they merely state "we're not sure because they don't know the exact type of fish/whale Jonah was in...".

[TwinkleFingers]

twinkle fingers, you have to be the stupidest person i know-

nice...really nice >:(besides you dont even know me.

This is all very vague. You didn't provide me with any proof whatsoever... And about the 1800's story, it's the same kind of people as the ones who claim they've been abducted by aliens. So here we are, still no proof.

Well, you are agreeing with the stupidest person you DONT know.  I agree with you on this one.  It could very well be a hoax.  But it still DOESNT prove the bible wrong.

i think that the universe came into being as a result of an enormous sneeze of a large mystical turkey existing in boundless nether, how periodocally jives to the tune of "I got Rhythm."  i also believe that when we die we enter a world where life goes backwards, so that in fact we get to leave the world as an orgasm.  i also believe that god is in fact an animate pile of the mystical turkey's excrement, the result of an accidental concoction of berroca and honey juice.

Well, how about some proof that it isn't possible? I've shown a few possible scenarios, now you prove that they aren't possible.

and Im stupid. muhahahahah put the dubi down bro I know you are trying to be witty.  But in the end you just insult us (christians) and even for witty standards you stink.

Wired, I'll just encourage you to get inside a giant fish for 3 days yourself since you think it's possible. There are so many arguments one could give to show it's impossible I don't know which one to pick. I'll just repeat myself with the digestive process question. The websites you posted don't even provide an explanation for this, they merely state "we're not sure because they don't know the exact type of fish/whale Jonah was in...".

so then how could you refute it not knowing which "great fish" it was? God prepared the fish. Also one of the links stated that Jonah stayed in the mouth of the fish.  How about the fact we even exist.   Without God, there would be total chaos.  There would be no laws which hold the universe together. No laws that determine our physical characteristics.

[cziffra]

and Im stupid. muhahahahah  put the dubi down bro I know you are trying to be witty.  But in the end you just insult us (christians) and even for witty standards you stink.

what are you talking about?  i really do believe that.
do you have any proof to suggest that it isn't true?  i bet you don't.  

are saying that just because what i believe seems ridiculous to you that you can automatically dimiss it as being stupid? gee, that wouldn't be much fun if somthing seemingly impossible could be easily dismissed as stupid!  what would happen if someone thought the idea of a man living in a whale was seemingly impossible, just as you suppose what i believe is seemingly impossible.

have YOU ever looked inside the excrement of a cosmic turkey who's just eaten berocca and honey juice?  How do YOU know what would be inside?  Huh?

[TwinkleFingers]

but the fact that God is supreme and created us you dont believe? but you can believe a story made up by yourself, which by the way is in need of some good medication.  Interesting. Indubitably.  I would invite you to my house for thanksgiving, but I think that would offend your cosmic turkey belief.

are saying that just because what i believe seems ridiculous to you that you can automatically dimiss it as being stupid?

maybe if I wasnt thinking rational I would agree with you

[cziffra]

but the fact that God is supreme and created us you dont believe?

maybe if I wasnt thinking rational I would agree with you.

[TwinkleFingers]

well your obviously not, so I'll take it that you are agreeing with me. yay!!!

[Wired]

maybe if I wasnt thinking rational I would agree with you.

Well, there's a few things wrong with your story. One, the tune of I got Rhythm wasn't actually "I got Rhythm" until someone decided to write it as a song. Two, where did you hear the tune? Three, if the Turkey existed in endless nether, how did sound travel so that he could indeed jive to "I got Rhythm"? Four, what did the mystical turkey eat, why does he need to eat, and does he make everything he eats, just to be able to eat it? Five, is there any evidence that this could have happened? I'm not saying if there is conclusive evidence -- just some evidence.

[Wired]

Wired, I'll just encourage you to get inside a giant fish for 3 days yourself since you think it's possible.

Why would I? I believe it's true already. I don't feel obligated to prove to you that God exists, and even if I was able to find which kind of fish the Bible talks about and do this deed, you still wouldn't believe. My goal in debating isn't to get you guys to believe, it's merely to make you realize that there are rational people who are well educated that believe in God.

There are so many arguments one could give to show it's impossible I don't know which one to pick. I'll just repeat myself with the digestive process question.

Ok, well, to answer this question, I would have to know about every type of fish ever in existence, as well as about their digestive systems. I personally will never feel that I can make that claim, and I'm surprised that you believe other people can.

However, let me point out that there are fish that their digestive system only excretes digestive enzymes, without actually excreting hydrochloric acid, which would make it even more possible for it to have happened.

The websites you posted don't even provide an explanation for this, they merely state "we're not sure because they don't know the exact type of fish/whale Jonah was in...".

Exactly. Without knowing the full details, it's impossible to prove or disprove whether this event actually happened. It would be possible to prove if we had knowledge of every type of fish that existed at that time, as well as had working knowledge of their digestive systems.

So let me reword my question -- is there anything in the Bible that you feel science has disproven?

[cziffra]

Well, there's a few things wrong with your story. One, the tune of I got Rhythm wasn't actually "I got Rhythm" until someone decided to write it as a song. Two, where did you hear the tune? Three, if the Turkey existed in endless nether, how did sound travel so that he could indeed jive to "I got Rhythm"? Four, what did the mystical turkey eat, why does he need to eat, and does he make everything he eats, just to be able to eat it? Five, is there any evidence that this could have happened? I'm not saying if there is conclusive evidence -- just some evidence.

Why would I answer these questions? I believe it's true already. I don't feel obligated to prove to you that the cosmic turkey exists, and even if I was able to find which kind of food the turkey eats, you still wouldn't believe. My goal in debating isn't to get you guys to believe, it's merely to make you realize that there are rational people who are well educated that believe in the cosmic turkey.

In order to tell you what food he eats I would have to know about every type of cosmic turkey ever in existence, as well as about their digestive systems. I personally will never feel that I can make that claim, and I'm surprised that you believe other people can.

However, let me point out that there are cosmic turkeys that their digestive system only excretes digestive honey juice, without actually excreting berocca, which would make it even more possible for it to have happened.

I don't know anything about the cosmic turkey!  Without knowing the full details, it's impossible to prove or disprove whether this event actually happened. It would be possible to prove if we had knowledge of every type of cosmic turkey that existed at that time, as well as had working knowledge of their digestive systems.

[cziffra]

Quote:are saying that just because what i believe seems ridiculous to you that you can automatically dimiss it as being stupid?  

maybe if I wasnt thinking rational I would agree with you

well your obviously not, so I'll take it that you are agreeing with me. yay!!!

[Wired]

Why would I answer these questions?

Because, you have *no* evidence. We at least have the Bible, which cannot be proven to be incorrect (and hasn't yet).

[cziffra]

the Bible...cannot be proven to be incorrect (and hasn't yet).

of course it can't:

Without knowing the full details, it's impossible to prove or disprove whether this event actually happened

viz a viz, any events in the bible.  

good point wired.  i couldn't have said it better myself.  

Without knowing the full details, it's impossible to prove or disprove

ANYTHING, so if you

show a few possible scenarios

and ask someone

now you prove that they aren't possible

they won't be able to- so you can make anything at all seem like it's real merely by asking someone to disprove it.  Ultimately you are likely to

find their arguments lacking knowledge as much as you find yours lacking knowledge

because it's all a game of "is this what it isn't?"

[Wired]

of course it can't:
viz a viz, any events in the bible.  
good point wired.  i couldn't have said it better myself.

Not true. There's truth all over it -- all of the historically accurate parts about how life was, who was ruling, their characteristics... they all match up with what our history books teach us about those time periods. Then the fact that all of the proven scientific traits of the world we live in are all coinciding with the Bible (note how I said proven).

ANYTHING, so if you
and ask someone they won't be able to- so you can make anything at all seem like it's real merely by asking someone to disprove it.  Ultimately you are likely to because it's all a game of "is this what it isn't?"

No. If someone were to claim the Bible says the Earth is flat (it doesn't, read Part I of this forum), and the Bible did indeed say that, I would be proven wrong, since we now know the Earth is round.

If someone were to claim that the number PI is misrepresented in the Bible on several occasions (it isn't: https://www.yfiles.com/pi.html), and they had places to prove it, then I'd be proven wrong.

If the Bible claimed something that didn't match modern fluid dynamics studies, I'd be proven wrong. However, this instance, the Bible makes a claim that wasn't even discovered until 300 years ago (Job 28:25).

However, no one has made any such claim that was accurate. I don't remember if I gave this URL before, but here it is: https://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml. From the paragraph at the bottom:

The purpose of this page is not to explain what a great science text the Bible is, but to show that it is consistent with scientific facts.

[eddie92099]

Then the fact that all of the proven scientific traits of the world we live in are all coinciding with the Bible

How exactly does the parting of the Red Sea, for example, coincide with scientific knowledge?!
Ed

[TwinkleFingers]

However, let me point out that there are cosmic turkeys that their digestive system only excretes digestive honey juice, without actually excreting berocca, which would make it even more possible for it to have happened.  

what to happen? maybe you should stop cut/pasting wired's comments and filling in your useless garbage.  what are you trying to prove with the turkey's digestive juices? that there was a person inside of it?

How exactly does the parting of the Red Sea, for example, coincide with scientific knowledge?!

how does this coincide with what we are talking about?

(note how he said proven).

 The parting of the red sea was a miracle by God through moses.

[Wired]

How exactly does the parting of the Red Sea, for example, coincide with scientific knowledge?!

How does it not? Do we know that we can move water? Yes. Do we know how Moses (or rather God) parted the water? No.

The link I posted also provides a good summary:

The purpose of this page is not to explain what a great science text the Bible is, but to show that it is consistent with scientific facts. Still, the Bible mentions some things that we can not explain. Yet, if God is really God, He should have the ability to do some things we can not explain.

[eddie92099]

So by saying

the fact that all of the proven scientific traits of the world we live in are all coinciding with the Bible

you mean some things in the bible are scientifically correct, and others we can just say "god did it",
Ed

[cziffra]

How exactly does the parting of the Red Sea, for example, coincide with scientific knowledge?!  

The parting of the red sea was a miracle by God through moses.  

actually, it wasn't.  one of my religious studies teachers showed us a video which conclusively proved that that particular portion of the red sea, when subjected to the appropriate wind conditions, would actually dry up.  it is an anomaly of the river bed and the surrounding geography, and although icannot remember the name of the commander, there was another military commander who benefitted from this peculiarity and was able to cross.  (it may have been napolean, although don't hold me on that.)

Also, it scientifically proved that the burning bush moses saw was in fact a bush that, if put through a variety of circumstances, could self combust.  it had a certain chemical inside it.  (i cannot remember the details.)

my teacher was trying to prove to us that god and science work together, so that his miracles only seem like miracles to the ignorant, the same way a magic trick only seems like magic to those who don't know how it's done.  

the section about Sam or whoever it was destroying the church by pushing the pylons- that was also proved to be possible by any unusually strong man, due to the way the church was built.

the video didn't have anything about wine-water or fish bread.

maybe you should stop cut/pasting wired's comments and filling in your useless garbage.  what are you trying to prove with the turkey's digestive juices?

is anyone surprised that our dear twinkle fingers didn't understand the point of all that?  you give theists a very bad name- if your belief stems from the same logic which produced such gems as-

screw the U.N.!!! They are a bunch ignorant people as well. When do you think they would give us authority to go to any country to wage war?

and

what about the fact the election is over and its time to move on!  Al Gore would suck as a president anyway.

then i really, really have to worry about you.  

[Wired]

So by saying
you mean some things in the bible are scientifically correct, and others we can just say "god did it"

No, those that have phrases around them that imply that God did something, we claim God did. The things that someone did by themselves, without asking the help of God, all are within scientific reason.

[cziffra]

i was just reading macbeth and i came across this passage- you could imagine bush talking about killing saddam (that is, if bush knew what these words meant:

if it were done when tis done, then twere well
it were done quickly.  if th'assassination
could trammel up the consequence and catch
with his surcease, success, that but this blow
might be the be-all and the end-all (of my dad's work), here
but here, upon this bank and shoal of time,
we'd jump the (presidential terms) to come.  But in these cases
we still have judgement here that we but teach
bloody instructions, which being taught, return to plague the inventor, (CIA binladen etc).  This even handed justice
commends the ingredeince of our poisoned chalice
to our own lips- (maybe we could have avoided 9/11 if
we didn't slap everyone around the face for the past half a century.)

[eddie92099]

No, those that have phrases around them that imply that God did something, we claim God did. The things that someone did by themselves, without asking the help of God, all are within scientific reason.

Such as walking, for example,
Ed

[TwinkleFingers]

is anyone surprised that our dear twinkle fingers didn't understand the point of all that?  you give theists a very bad name- if your belief stems from the same logic which produced such gems as-

sorry to dissapoint you, I completely understood what you were doing.  You were using useless information and trying to turn it around and make it into a belief.  By doing so you were trying to establish that "our" belief is just as irrelevent.

[eddie92099]

sorry to dissapoint you, I completely understood what you were doing.  You were using useless information and trying to turn it around and make it into a belief.  By doing so you were trying to establish that "our" belief is just as irrelevent.

The fact that you don't see the implications of that makes you a fool,
Ed

P.s. this is not childish name calling, I mean it when I say you are a fool.

[TwinkleFingers]

A fool until you see the truth.

(maybe we could have avoided 9/11 if  
we didn't slap everyone around the face for the past half a century.)

maybe we could of avoided the fallen world today if adam and eve didnt sin. Well that is just one of the things that has happened that is unavoidable now.

[cziffra]

maybe we could of avoided the fallen world today if adam and eve didnt sin-

so you're saying the destruction of the world is due to white people?

damn white people!

wait a minute-- if they were both white...and evolution is obviously false...where did black people come from?

i suppose the bible never says whether they're white but- you'd expect that since there are only two of them, half the world's population would be whatever colour one of them was and the other half would be the other, just like it's half female half male.  

but...that's strange, i could have sworn there were alot more skin colours than that

i'm very confused, twinkle fingers...if adam and eve populated the world, why aren't all humans the same as them?

[Wired]

wait a minute-- if they were both white...and evolution is obviously false...where did black people come from?

Neither the Bible nor science give us an absolute picture of how the human races arose. The Bible contains no explanation of when or how races came to be. Science tells us that the genetic differences among the races are very small. Such minor genetic differences can be easily explained through selective breeding using microevolutionary processes.

[TwinkleFingers]

so you're saying the destruction of the world is due to white people?

Im not trying to turn this into a racial argument if thats where you are going.  

i'm very confused, twinkle fingers...if adam and eve populated the world, why aren't all humans the same as them?

what difference does it make.  you are missing the whole point of this.  If the bible never talks about this then how am I supposed to answer?  Was I actually there when they were created? NO.  My guess would be they were probably scattered at the time of tower of babble and when they dispersed all over the globe(or wherever the continents were at the time) and maybe the different climates slowly changed their color. I dont know though.Eddie? where is eddie? he knows everything...lets ask him.

i suppose the bible never says whether they're white but- you'd expect that since there are only two of them, half the world's population would be whatever colour one of them was and the other half would be the other, just like it's half female half male.

are you a wise guy or just simple minded?  what makes you think that the population would stay exactly half n half white and black even if adam and eve where white and black?  Dont you think wars, disease,etc.etc. would offset this perfect balance you have given us?

P.s. this is not childish name calling, I mean it when I say you are a fool.

oh if only you were not so childish

[eddie92099]

maybe the different climates slowly changed their color. I dont know though.Eddie? where is eddie? he knows everything...lets ask him

I would have thought they would be arabic seeing where they lived,
Ed

[TwinkleFingers]

well they were scattered all over the earth, hence different climates. Arabic being only one of many.https://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0722_Creationism_explains.htmlcreationism explains human diversity here:

[cziffra]

and maybe the different climates slowly changed their color

what makes you think that the population would stay exactly half n half white and black even if adam and eve where white and black?  Dont you think wars, disease,etc.etc. would offset this perfect balance you have given us?

these two arguments you have made to me are EXACTLY the logic of an evolutionist, because what you have described IS evolution.  thankyou for realising you're an idiot.

could you please explain to us all what you think evolution is?  because i don't think you understand exactly what we're talking about.  i once knew someone like you who thought evolution suggested monkeys giving birth to birds.  i can tell you, that is not what evolution is.

Science tells us that the genetic differences among the races are very small. Such minor genetic differences can be easily explained through selective breeding using microevolutionary processes.

thankyou also, wired, for being smart enough to know that evolution is not completely false.  

[TwinkleFingers]

thankyou also, wired, for being smart enough to know that evolution is not completely false.

you stupid piece of turkey dung.  he said microevolution not the evolution your thinking of.

i once knew someone like you who thought evolution suggested monkeys giving birth to birds.  i can tell you, that is not what evolution is.

oh so thats why I've been thinking the theory was so screwed up. thanks for clarifying that for me.

could you please explain to us all what you think evolution is?

evolution is an attempt by man to try and turn man away from their creator.  they do not want to accept the fact that they will be judged eternally.  They do not accept the fact that there is a supreme being keeping this complex reality together.

[cziffra]

or it could be an attempt to explain what is happening around them.  sort of like what you did...

and maybe the different climates slowly changed their color  

also,

he said microevolution not the evolution your thinking of.

what evolution was i thinking of?  enlighten me.  i could have sworn i was thinking about descent with modification, which is exactly what microevolution is.  but i obviously you know more about what i was thinking than i do.

you stupid piece of turkey dung

oh if only you were not so childish

[TwinkleFingers]

but i obviously you know more about what i was thinking than i do.

what the heck are you saying here? are you drunk or something?

oh if only you were not so childish

I guess im tired of being called an idiot. gotta fight fire with fire sometimes. mess with the bull and you get the horns

could have sworn i was thinking about descent with modification, which is exactly what microevolution is.  

well lets see there is micro and macro.  I think you were talking about macroevolution.  Correct me if Im wrong, doesnt evolution violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

[Noah]

Correct me if Im wrong, doesnt evolution violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics?

Oh please. Don't even try to make us believe that you had a clue as to what the second law of thermodynamics was before looking up in google.

[cziffra]

Correct me if Im wrong

okay.

(this is ALL quoted from https://www.2ndlaw.com/evolution.html)

Many fundamentalist Christians see the theory of evolution as a threat to their faith, evidently because it is not explicitly included in Genesis. (They also misunderstand the scientific application of the word "theory" that the chemist uses in discussing atomic theory or the kinetic molecular theory of gases, ideas as unquestioned by all chemists as evolution is by professional biologists.) This is tragic because it cuts off sincere individuals who are not scientists from understanding the powerful relevance of one of the most important concepts in all of science.

       Most disquieting to chemists who are interested in thermodynamics are the misleading statements about the second law and chemistry that creationist spokespeople have made.

"A watch must have required a watchmaker; a car could not have formed itself from parts."

Why give a silly illustration like that?  Anyone knows that it is not an inherent quality of metal parts to spontaneously join with similar or quite different parts to form complex new arrangements. Yet, this IS precisely the normal behavior of most of the chemical elements that constitute the world and the universe. The value of the second law of thermodynamics is that it quantitatively describes the energetic aspects of the chemical elements and the compounds they form. The chemical potential energy bound in most of the 20,000,000 known kinds of molecules is LESS than that in their elements. Thus, energetically, the second law says that the majority of compounds now known could spontaneously form from the corresponding elements. Watches or cars are not lower in thermodynamic energy than the total energy of their individual components. Therefore, the second law says that it is completely inappropriate to compare them with chemical compounds and elements.

Energetically, the second law of thermodynamics favors the formation of the majority of all known complex and ordered chemical compounds directly from their simpler elements. Thus, contrary to popular opinion, the second law does not dictate the decrease of ordered structure in its predictions, it only demands a "spreading out" of energy in all processes.

Most complex molecules may require the expertise of one or of many chemists to put them together in a laboratory. However, so far as the second law of thermodynamics is concerned, not only water but cholesterol, DNA, the anti-depressant in St. John’s Wort and millions of other complex substances contain less energy than their constituent elements. Therefore, thermodynamically, their formation from those elements would be a spontaneous process, energetically favored by the second law.

* * *

it goes on for quite a long time, systematically pulling any creationist argument to pieces.  you should read it, twinkle fingers, even though i know you wont

[TwinkleFingers]

Thus, contrary to popular opinion, the second law does not dictate the decrease of ordered structure in its predictions, it only demands a "spreading out" of energy in all processes.

so the sun is not shrinking, merely "spreading out"?

The chemical potential energy bound in most of the 20,000,000 known kinds of molecules is LESS than that in their elements.

where did the potential energy come from in the first place?

[Wired]

what evolution was i thinking of?  enlighten me.  i could have sworn i was thinking about descent with modification, which is exactly what microevolution is.  but i obviously you know more about what i was thinking than i do.

Evolution is more commonly used to describe macroevolution than microevolution. The term evolution generally is taken to mean the formation of different species over time through different processes. For example, the common ape->man (sorry if my nomenclature is a bit off) is considered "evolution", although more correctly it is called macroevolution.

Macroevolution hasn't been proven. Microevolution has. Microevolution is the general change and variation inter-species, usually based on geographical bounds.

Microevolution isn't in any way against what the Bible speaks of. It only supports it. Macroevolution, which hasn't been proven, speaks against the Bible.

When people say "evolution," people tend to think of the process of how we formed from previous species. That's why when I say evolution hasn't been proven, I speak truthfully.

[Wired]

where did the potential energy come from in the first place?

Exactly. For energy to just form out of nothing requires Einstein to be wrong (as well as everyone else who founded theories up to that point that state that energy is never lost nor gained). So, for any theory besides creation to be believed, almost every scientific law dealing with energy must be rewritten.

[TwinkleFingers]

Exactly. For energy to just form out of nothing requires Einstein to be wrong (as well as everyone else who founded theories up to that point that state that energy is never lost nor gained). So, for any theory besides creation to be believed, almost every scientific law dealing with energy must be rewritten.

Maybe they wont think Im the stupidest person they ever knew anymore

[Noah]

Maybe they wont think Im the stupidest person they ever knew anymore

Don't worry, we still do. More and more as you keep posting.

[TwinkleFingers]

Maybe they wont think Im the stupidest person they ever knew anymore  



Don't worry, we still do. More and more as you keep posting.

And yet you still want to learn from wired and me or else you wouldnt even be reading this thread.

I have no pleasure in any man who despises music. It is no invention of ours: it is a gift of God. I place it next to theology. Satan hates music: he knows how it drives the evil spirit out of us.

[Noah]

And yet you still want to learn from wired and me or else you wouldnt even be reading this thread.

Something to learn from YOU ? Hahahaha, yeah, right. All I've learned from you & Wired is how stupid people can get with religion.

[allchopin]

C'mon guys, the Bible itself isn't even quite this long.

[eddie92099]

And yet you still want to learn from wired and me or else you wouldnt even be reading this thread.

I read your posts for entertainment value not to learn from you! How disillusioned can one person possibly be...?
Ed

[Wired]

Exactly. For energy to just form out of nothing requires Einstein to be wrong (as well as everyone else who founded theories up to that point that state that energy is never lost nor gained). So, for any theory besides creation to be believed, almost every scientific law dealing with energy must be rewritten.

Nice for no one trying to refute this. I guess we win

[eddie92099]

Nice for no one trying to refute this. I guess we win

When you explain to me how god was created I may start considering your asinine claims,
Ed