Music that deserves to be neglected

[IgnazPaderewski]

I vote that Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum should be obliterated from history as it is one of the most disgusting patterns of camel vomit that has ever been created and I think that rather than so many pianists trying to revive Sorabji (for no reason) they should let him disintegrate and do something else. Any other misguided attempts at composition which should have a nuke shoved between its barlines?

[thracozaag]

I vote that Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum should be obliterated from history as it is one of the most disgusting patterns of camel vomit that has ever been created and I think that rather than so many pianists trying to revive Sorabji (for no reason) they should let him disintegrate and do something else. Any other misguided attempts at composition which should have a nuke shoved between its barlines?

 Any piano music of Shostakovich for me.  I especially despise the Preludes and Fugues.

[IgnazPaderewski]

hooray!!!! I loath him too, but many seem to adore him so I'm not sure whether I am just missing the point of his music. But the impulsive teenager in me compells me to say he is crap, I hate him, lets use his manuscripts as toilet roll and send his recordings to Timbuktu. On a more serious note (as if!) I feel at this point that he is thoroughly boring and puts wrong notes into a perfectly good tune just to liven it up a bit. But maybe it wil hit me one day. For now though, lets discreetly remove his contribution to the piano literature and bury it in the Marianas trench.

[Rach3]

I like Shostakovitch! Especially his second concerto, it is very funny.

[IgnazPaderewski]

Sorry, i like the second concerto too  

[Noah]

lets discreetly remove his contribution to the piano literature and bury it in the Marianas trench.

What about burying Paderewski's contribution to piano in "Mariana's trench" ?
Seriously though, Shostakovich's music moves me like no other music. It's probably hate it or love it.

[liszmaninopin]

While I agree Sorabji's O.C. is dry, he did write things that I find much more appealing.  One has to have patience with his music though.  Some pieces of his that I find worthwhile are In the Hothouse, Fantaisie Espagnole, Gulistan, and La Jardin Perfume.  I know that this is probably a blasphemy in the world of piano, but I wouldn't mind never hearing any Haydn again.

[Rach3]

Listen to his C#-minor sonata, or the theme he wrote which Brahms wrote variations on, or his Paris symphony (I think), or his two cello concerti - Haydn was a genius!

[Jemmers]

Many of Satie's works deserve no less than complete annihilation.... his Sarabandes, for one. Bloody phonometronomist, or something like that.

[liszmaninopin]

I don't deny that Haydn was a genius, I just have never heard anything he wrote that I liked.  Perhaps I'll give him another listen.

[Rach3]

The musical "The Fantastics" which thankfully I've escaped from being drafted into. Very evil!

Bolero ought to be neglected much more often.

[eddie92099]

I don't deny that Haydn was a genius, I just have never heard anything he wrote that I liked.  Perhaps I'll give him another listen.

Listen to the third movement of the 11th concerto played by Martha Argerich and the Wurtemburg Chamber Orchestra. It's surprisingly fun.
Today's suggestions for the trench:
Beethoven variations
Late Brahms

Ed

[cziffra]

i say we get rid of that liszt piece that never ends, with it's ridiculously long name- something like the reminisces de myerebeer fur huguenots jacqeus opera le's je possess nice metronome on my piano comedy fantastique a la soiree poissons.  

who has ever listened to it?  honestly?

perhaps a few of vivaldis concertos wouldn't be missed, either.

[Chitch]

Music that deserves to be neglected...ANYTHING by Bela Bartok!!!!

[eddie92099]

Music that deserves to be neglected...ANYTHING by Bela Bartok!!!!

I'm going to bomb your house,
Ed

[Rach3]

Please, please leave death threats out of the forum, no matter how well-deserved. Use IM instead, it doesn't increase post count.

Ed, while you're at it, go after whoever added "Late Brahms".

[eddie92099]

Ed, while you're at it, go after whoever added "Late Brahms".

Who would say such a thing?!
Ed

[Axtremus]

I want to nuke all of Godowsky's transcriptions of Chopin into oblivion. Transcribing Chopin's piano music for piano? Why mess with perfection?

[eddie92099]

I want to nuke all of Godowsky's transcriptions of Chopin into oblivion. Transcribing Chopin's piano music for piano? Why mess with perfection?

In the words of Borat Saddiyev, when asked why he shot bears when they were loved in his country (Kazakhstan), "Eh...for fun!",
Ed

[chopinetta]

does any chopin fall under this place?

[e60m5]

No no no no no no no no no no. Too much of Chopin is neglected as is, like his mazurkas - who do you know that plays them all? Yet everyone focuses on his études and nocturnes and so on.

Chopin should not be neglected!

[eddie92099]

I think Chopin should be neglected after about an hour and a half of his music,
Ed

[chopinetta]

maybe... but sometimes i listen to chopin all day long...

[Rach3]

Most of the twelve-tone nonsense, except Webern and some Schoenberg. Also The Fantasticks.

[cziffra]

mazurkas - who do you know that plays them all

if memory serves correctly, cziffra has recorded a cd of them all.  i'm sure someone else has, too, but i can't remember their name.

[chopinetta]

you're so right, cziffra! I've seen recordings in the internet--of pianists trying to record all of chopin's works. ALL of chopin's works--of course, it doesn't exclude the mazurkas.

[eddie92099]

I have Ashkenazy's complete Chopin, and I know Idil Biret has also recorded complete Chopin for Naxos,
Ed

[Jemmers]

Today's suggestion: Liszt's B minor Sonata.

Joking. I wasn't going to risk Ed's "bomb your house" threats.

Totally agreed with the twelve-tone stuff.

The real suggestion: The lousier of Clementi's works. They were quite mechanical, I feel.

[L.K.]

How about some Mozart's symphonies?
He wrote so many that no one will notice a couple is missing. (j/k)

[eddie92099]

Or Haydn for that matter,
Ed

[thracozaag]

No no no no no no no no no no. Too much of Chopin is neglected as is, like his mazurkas - who do you know that plays them all? Yet everyone focuses on his études and nocturnes and so on.

Chopin should not be neglected!

 Get the old Rubinstein complete recording, Kapell also recorded quite a few of them.

[Rach3]

Czerny?

[eddie92099]

Czerny?

Music that deserves to be neglected,
Ed

[bernhard]

Czerny did write a lot of music (besides the technical exercises). It was all completely neglected.

[eddie92099]

I know, I was just joking  ,
Ed

[pianomaestro88]

Technical exercises being thought of as unmusical is absolutely plebian. They are meant to be played musically and because they are usually played quite unmusically, they should be neglected; especially Hanon (and Dochnanyi is not much better, yet what is musical about him?). So many people play it so improperly that it does nothing good for them, and it really does no good for anyone else that happens to be listening. So let's neglect the technical exercises that were meant to be music that were to help us develop finger independence, etcetera, but were made into absolute heathens of music by childish banging and unnatural playing.

[comme_le_vent]

that huguenots opera fantasy by liszt is absolutely awesome, it goes on for about 20 minutes, but thats only because there are so many darn awesome tunes in that opera, its actually one of my favourite piano pieces of all, so dont judge without listenin to it. chopin should be neglected too, there is alot of music thats just as great out there, and it doesnt get its deserved attention cos of old chopin, damn chopin and his infernal appeal. i like him but too much is too much!

[cziffra]

well, i'm glad someone likes it...whenever i encounter it i always ask myself, why wouldn't you have written at as a collection of separate pieces, rather than one gigantic beast?

[ravel]

scarlatti s piano music, i havent heard much, but whatever little i have heard,  found it really boring.

[ravel]

scarlatti s piano music, i havent heard much, but whatever little i have heard,  found it really boring.
and whoever said that about bartok,  dude u ve got to listen to  bartoks  piano sonata and his suite opus 14 by kocsis . bartok rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[bernhard]

scarlatti s piano music, i havent heard much, but whatever little i have heard,  found it really boring.

It grows on you.

I also prefer it on the piano (I find the harpsichord  tolerable in very small doses). Try the Pletnev selection (Virgin)

Bartok? what about the first three Mikrokosmos books? (I find them unbearably dull - never mind their supposed educational merits)

[ramseytheii]

I vote that Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum should be obliterated from history as it is one of the most disgusting patterns of camel vomit that has ever been created and I think that rather than so many pianists trying to revive Sorabji (for no reason) they should let him disintegrate and do something else. Any other misguided attempts at composition which should have a nuke shoved between its barlines?

I don't think that many pianists comparatively have been trying to revive his music, and I think as far as your fear of it goes, it has stayed well underneath the radar of being accepted into the standard repertoire, or even being liked by audiences (or musicians).
I agree with the poster who said Satie, and I also nominate RIGOLETTO PARAPHRASE since it is played everywhere and is not even close to the best opera paraphrase Liszt wrote.  Please whoever is reading this, stop practicing the Rigoletto Paraphrase, crumple up the sheet music, and burn it, and post a photo of the ashes on Piano Forum.

Walter Ramsey

[soliloquy]

What is up with the sudden resurrection of all these incredibly old threads?


I think this thread should just die into extinction.  Back to the abyss with it.

[Waldszenen]

Well while it's still alive I might just say Prokofiev's piano music.

[bartolomeo_]

John Cage

[pianote]

Music that deserves to be neglected...ANYTHING by Bela Bartok!!!!

I *punch* you.

[tompilk]

i just downloaded the complete haydn sonatas, and i have to say its a little like mozart - good music, but a bit boring now... i suppose it's just like rock/pop now - its all boring but people like to listen to it...
Tom

[stevie]

that huguenots opera fantasy by liszt is absolutely awesome, it goes on for about 20 minutes, but thats only because there are so many darn awesome tunes in that opera, its actually one of my favourite piano pieces of all, so dont judge without listenin to it. chopin should be neglected too, there is alot of music thats just as great out there, and it doesnt get its deserved attention cos of old chopin, *** chopin and his infernal appeal. i like him but too much is too much!

hahahaha, maybe not fave pieces of all, but tis wikid fo sho.

[ahinton]

What is up with the sudden resurrection of all these incredibly old threads?

God only knows! Especially when one observes the kinds of contribution that it invariably generates...

I think this thread should just die into extinction.  Back to the abyss with it.

Or the Marianas Trench, perhaps...

Best,

Alistair

[Kassaa]

Well while it's still alive I might just say Prokofiev's piano music.

His sonatas+concerti+toccata are awesome .