Alarm - Amerika Going to the Fascists

[pianistimo]

thalbergmad, you identify yourself with bigotry.

it's illogical.  and, as i mentioned to counterpoint, hitler wasn't christian. he was darwinian.

[thalbergmad]

Better to be a bigot than a brain dead spammer.

Check out this site

www.completelymental.com

Thal

[thalbergmad]

10:12:20 PM Posting in Alarm - Amerika Going to the Fascists.

Oh no, will it never stop

[thalbergmad]

Did you know that the ooohh ahhhh bird is so named because it lays square eggs?

Thal

[thalbergmad]

 pianistimo  10:18:52 PM Posting in Alarm - Amerika Going to the Fascists

Its gonna be a long one folks

[pianistimo]

completely mental means that hitler and ahmadinejah's ideas are quite the same.  extermination.  completely mental means - what records of one's life is about are somewhat random and unexplainable - with periods of seeming sanity.  not to mention brutal and sadistic - although they typically show up at an early age with people like this.  it's conditioning - and later spiritual influence.  from Satan.  who, btw, hates God.

[thalbergmad]

Short post for 10 minutes work

[pianistimo]

hitler however - took years to formulate his explainations.  after all, they would also form his defense.  although, dark occultism never gives a way out.  it only leads to death.  the swastika is an occultish way of saying 'beginning.'  the beginning.  hitler wanted to BE God.  isn't that insane? 

[thalbergmad]

Satan.  who, btw, hates God.

Ohh thanks for that, i did not know.

I am going to bed now, but i look forward to logging on tomorrow night and having a laugh at your latest rubbish.

Welcome to DELUSIONAL HISTORY.

Goodnight.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

pianistimo  10:27:13 PM Posting in Alarm - Amerika Going to the Fascists.

Yawn.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[thalbergmad]

To the tune of Colonel Bogey:

Hilter, has only got one ball
The other is in the Albert Hall.


To be continued....................

[wotgoplunk]

thalbergmad, you identify yourself with bigotry.

it's illogical.  and, as i mentioned to counterpoint, hitler wasn't christian. he was darwinian.

Eugenics != Darwinism.

Though in theory, eugenics is an excellent idea.

[johnny-boy]

Read "Endgame" by Derrick Jensen if you want a shock.

John

[yuc4h]

It's kinda creepy to watch through the posts written by pianistimo, it's like seeing someone go gradually insane and I mean really REALLY insane.

Actually this reminds me of a short story "1408" written by Stephen King.

[ramseytheii]

By the way, has anyone else had a chance to read the article?

Walter Ramsey

[pianistimo]

the satanism of hitler started around 1904 when he was 15 years of age.  'he was with a friend, august kubizek, when suddenly, he grabbed kubizek's hands and held them tight.  his eyes turned feverish and he began to speak in a voice that was loud, hoarse, and raucous.  kubizek felt that some strange being had seized control of adolf, and was inhabiting his body.  hitler began to speak eloquently about a mandate to rule germany, leading her back to her rightful glory.' 

hitler had been experimenting with the occult for about one year, and now he was demon possessed.  hitler was also influenced by two other men:  freidrich nietzsche, who urged that germany's christian values be reevaluated, and replaced by the values of evil - and richard wagner who actually was the one who coined the term 'final solution.' 

'young adolf was also spending much time in the public library, filling his mind with books on such varied subjects as ancient rome, eastern religions, yoga, occultism, hypnotism and astrology...adolf was also deeply influenced by hegel whose concept of thesis battling anti-thesis producing the hybrid system, sythesis, so influenced weishaupt, leading to the creation of communism and the general flow of history in this 20th century.

it was at this time that hitler began to delve into the new age works of madame blavatsky, the head of the house of theosophy, and one key leader to the drive to the new world order...alice bailey, writing in her book 'the externalisation of the hierarchy' calls the jews...interested in only money, a theme hitler struck often.'

today - people are STILL interested in new age occult training.  in fact, it is a central part of the UN!  can you believe it?  that is why they are not interested in God or religion.  it is counter.  and they are counterfeit.  ask some of the members of the UN if they read their horoscope.  i bet they do - AND attend masonic or illuminati meetings.  what does that tell you?  where is the bible and God in LEADERSHIP?  they don't want God to rule with them - because God didn't like what the first world empire did.  that's where it all came from.  nimrod.  the god-man. 

hitler called HIMSELF - anti-Christ.  he was aware of his own situation, apparently.  sitting opposite Christ in his own painting.  not doing obeisance to Christ - but letting Christ do obeisance to him!  sitting back, in obvious non-deference to the Holiest One.  what a strange painting of himself at SO EARLY IN HIS LIFE.  this is one of the proofs of his early demon possession and Satan at work to inspire his seeming interest in religion.  it wasn't in learning about God to obey God.  it was learning to defy Him.

[ramseytheii]

today - people are STILL interested in new age occult training.  in fact, it is a central part of the UN!  can you believe it? 

I'm all like, oh my god!  Totally. 


Walter Ramsey

[ahinton]

hitler...what a strange painting of himself at SO EARLY IN HIS LIFE.  this is one of the proofs of his early demon possession and Satan at work to inspire his seeming interest in religion.  it wasn't in learning about God to obey God.  it was learning to defy Him.

Turner did a self-portrait when he was around 18 years of age in such a way as no one would know that the man portrayed has painted all those other pictures (rather prescient, wouldn't you say?).

As to the rest of what you write here, I have only three words of response. No, not those three words, Thal. These three words. "Words fail me".

I think that it's as well that they do...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

hitler called HIMSELF - anti-Christ.  he was aware of his own situation, apparently.  sitting opposite Christ in his own painting.  not doing obeisance to Christ - but letting Christ do obeisance to him!  sitting back, in obvious non-deference to the Holiest One.  what a strange painting of himself at SO EARLY IN HIS LIFE.  this is one of the proofs of his early demon possession and Satan at work to inspire his seeming interest in religion.  it wasn't in learning about God to obey God.  it was learning to defy Him.

You talk more crap than Hitler did.

There is a lot of similarity between his speaches and your demented rants. Do you think you might be related? William Patrick Hitler lived in the US but wisely changed his name.

I think you ought to do some family tree work. I really think you might have some Hitler blood in you.

Thal

[pianistimo]

oh, thanks - thal!  you're so kind.

[thalbergmad]

You are welcome.

I think you are beginning to display insanity at similar levels to the fuhrer. It would not be beyond possibility that you are somewhat related.

It would certainly provide some reasons behind your demented rants.

Thal

[counterpoint]

hitler was also influenced by two other men:  freidrich nietzsche, who urged that germany's christian values be reevaluated, and replaced by the values of evil - and richard wagner who actually was the one who coined the term 'final solution.' 

No, it was not Richard Wagner, it was Gustav Wagner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Wagner

[term]

freidrich nietzsche, who urged that germany's christian values be reevaluated, and replaced by the values of evil

Wow. Source, please?

[pianistimo]

the richard wagner who composed 'rienzi.'  and, nietchze speaks for himself.  read what he wrote.

[counterpoint]

the richard wagner who composed 'rienzi.'  and, nietchze speaks for himself.  read what he wrote.

Okay, it seems that Richard Wagner has said something in that sense, and I am the last who will defend Wagner.

[pianistimo]

nietzsche's book 'thus spoke zarathustra' was given out by hitler to his troops.  the idea is that 'God is dead' - we are going to be the next 'ubermensch' or superior race.  also, the idea is that man is his own lord.  humanity (under a leader) will determine it's own fate and own moral standards.  hitler saw himself as hero and creator.

wagner's 'rienzi' was hitler's inspiration for a messianic concept to begin.  he went to this opera as a youth with a childhood friend.  it was his first 'inspiration' or 'possession of spirit' to become a leader of germany and coin 'third reich.'  he saw this opera at the linz opera house and this is a description of his first viewing of 'rienzi:'

https://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/hitlerwagner.htm

the strange thing about hitler is that 'hidler' was his adopted father's name and not his birth name.  in fact, he could have had a small amount of jewish blood in himself.  this article gives his full real name as given by family account by his half-brother.  it would also explain why hitler went into his hometown and razed it with tanks - destroying his own family records.

https://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/festjc/chap1.htm

[pianistimo]

interestingly, rienzi (a change of the name 'lorenzo'), is the supposed 'last of the roman tribunes.'  hitler recognized stories about the rise and fall of empires and the fall of the last one - would mean the consequent finishing of a story that would begin with a new one.  thus the idea 'reich.'  he was aware that names are changed in fictitious stories but the the idea is that charlemagne was the true name of the last reich's ruler and 'rienzi' the last to see it all go. 

here is 'rienzi' in it's full story.  note that 'rienzi' loses his little brother to death and vows revenge as well.  hitler lost his little brother to measles - but his father and mother strangely do not attend the funeral.  alois hitler is left to mourn at the gravesite alone.  that was very difficult and turning point in his understanding of the compassion of life and the world and his mission in it.
https://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/historical/RienzithelastoftheRomanTribunes/chap1.html

[thalbergmad]

Welcome to the next episode of DEMENTED HISTORY.

[pianistimo]

have you ever seen an opera that is not a slight bit 'demented,' as you call it.  and yet - there is always some sort of truth in an opera.  names can be changed - but the they can be almost nostradamus like.  hitler saw himself in rienzi.  that was a bit demented and yet shows that the spirit of music can be powerful when combined with ideals.

this is what wagner's own grandson had to say:
https://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/05/wagner.html

[ahinton]

Okay, it seems that Richard Wagner has said something in that sense, and I am the last who will defend Wagner.

Well, I WILL defend Richard Wagner! Not for certain of the sentiments he expressed, certainly, but as a composer. Wagner was, I believe, politically naïve and it was this naïveté rather than anything more sinister that prompted him to make certain statements which were and remain unworthy of any artist, let alone one of his immense stature; in so saying, I am in no sense excusing him, for he ought to have known better. His behaviour towards some of his fellow artists - not least those who helped him a great deal, such as Liszt - was also pretty reprehensible at times. His work was "adopted" (although not perhaps quite as thoroughly as has often been claimed) by the Third Reich as symbolic of their aims, yet where in Tristan und Isolde or Götterdämmerung is there evidence of this kind of distatseful stuff? Not only that, just imagine what might have happened if some German musicologist had played a joke on Hitler and his avowedly Wagnerian henchmen by claiming to have discovered a "lost" score by the great Richard and having it played (the said "lost" score actually being the Gurrelieder by the Austrian Jew Schönberg) - and then revealing the hoax!...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

but the they can be almost nostradamus like. 

HERETIC, HERETIC

BURN HIM

Thal

[pianistimo]

how about the character 'beckmesser' in 'de meistersinger?'  jews were also made to be the goblin figures that go around hoarding gold.

it's all a bit funny to those who are into characature (sp?) - but the truth is that there was an anti-semitic strain to wagner which was seen when hitler went to visit his wife and they discussed the 'reinzi' that hitler saw as a child.  now why would she even speak to him?

as i see it - the whole thing is similar to the seriousness of which iranians view their leaders in western cartoons.  they feel it could lead to something else.

ps  chapter V of the story of 'rienzi' is where rienzi says 'the day is at hand when Rome shall rise again from her ashes...and i shall be the instrument of that triumph - the restorer of my race.' 

as i understand it - hitler took off on that very idea of restoring the empire of charlemagne.

[thalbergmad]

which was seen when hitler went to visit his wife and they discussed the 'reinzi' that hitler saw as a child. 

His wife, who was this?

[pianistimo]

cosima.

[thalbergmad]

My God a one word answer.

Thanks so much.

[ramseytheii]

I don't understand this idea that because Hitler liked Rienzi, it somehow makes Wagner responsible for the Final Solution.  Or that because he handed out Thus Spake... it somehow makes Nietzsche culpable.  It's very simplistic and frankly doesn't make any sense.  Hitler also liked Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - is she also responsible?

Anyway, you are wrong when you accuse Wagner of being a Nazi, because Wagner existed before Nazism did.  Wagner was first an anarchist, who sided with the Russian Bakunin, then he was a monarchist, who fawned over the princely King Ludwig, then he was a Wagnerist, because he could be.

Walter Ramsey

[ramseytheii]

cosima.

You fail to mention that Cosima Wagner was the daughter of Liszt, and the wife originally of Liszt's student Hans von Bülow.  She was also not a Nazi, as you insinuate in this message, because she croaked out before she had the chance.  You can't just bandy about words like "Nazi," you have to have it mean something.  The more you accuse this or that person of being a Nazi, the more you cheapen the idea, so that when you run across a true Nazi, what is the point of calling them a Nazi?

Walter Ramsey

[ramseytheii]

how about the character 'beckmesser' in 'de meistersinger?'  jews were also made to be the goblin figures that go around hoarding gold.

Actually you are wrong, because Beckmesser never makes any allusion to goblins, and gold is the farthest thing from his mind.  If you have taken the time to read the libretto of Meistersinger, you would realize that Beckmesser was actually a character who wanted to marry Eva.  This suggestion that he somehow identified with gold-hoarding goblins is simply not borne out by the text.  Back to Libretto-Analysis 101.

it's all a bit funny to those who are into characature (sp?) - but the truth is that there was an anti-semitic strain to wagner which was seen when hitler went to visit his wife and they discussed the 'reinzi' that hitler saw as a child.  now why would she even speak to him?

as i see it - the whole thing is similar to the seriousness of which iranians view their leaders in western cartoons.  they feel it could lead to something else.

Rienzi may seem like a cartoon to us today, but the sentiment was very popular to the Romantic mind.  It behooves you to be a bit fairer, and rather than comparing the opera to popular and vulgar cartoons, try and see it from the 19th century mentality.  Also, Rienzi was clearly not a caricature of Mohammed.  Your analogy cannot hold.

Walter Ramsey

[ramseytheii]

have you ever seen an opera that is not a slight bit 'demented,' as you call it.  and yet - there is always some sort of truth in an opera.  names can be changed - but the they can be almost nostradamus like.  hitler saw himself in rienzi.  that was a bit demented and yet shows that the spirit of music can be powerful when combined with ideals.

this is what wagner's own grandson had to say:
https://www.therestisnoise.com/2004/05/wagner.html

I agree that opera is most effective when depicting mad scenes.  However Lucia di Lammermoor didn't contribute to the Final Solution, as you seem to insinuate in this message.  In fact you are making a personal slight on one of the great dramatic composers,  Donizetti, by suggesting he was a Nazi.  First of all, he came long before the Nazi times.  Second of all, he was an Italian, so if he was politically aligned in any way it would have been towards italian fascism, which we know is quite different.

But when you define fascism as the goal of restoration of Charlemagnes rule, you unnecessarily narrow that definition, and in fact, since Wagner, Donizetti, or Nietzsche never wrote that they wanted to reinstitute Charlemagnes rule, you can't fairly say they are fascists.  Think about it for a second, please.  I mean you are accusing one of the most beloved of bel canto composers with siding with Mussolini?  The very idea is absurd.  Wagner wanted himself to rule the world, Donizetti almost for sure was a Napoleonist, and Nietzsche, well, who knows.  He was probably a monarchist.

Actually, I don't think Wagner was interested in Roman history at all.  He was really interested in the Norse mythology, which is conspicuously absent from your posts.

Walter Ramsey

[counterpoint]

Actually you are wrong, because Beckmesser never makes any allusion to goblins, and gold is the farthest thing from his mind. 

Walter, it's a bit strange to me, that you argue with rhetoric tricks against pianistimo, while you surely know, that Wagner himself was antisemite as well as Cosima.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosima_Wagner#Cosima_Wagners_Antisemitismus_und_der_Bayreuther_Kreis

[ramseytheii]

Walter, it's a bit strange to me, that you argue with rhetoric tricks against pianistimo, while you clearly know, that Wagner himself was antisemite as well as Cosima.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosima_Wagner#Cosima_Wagners_Antisemitismus_und_der_Bayreuther_Kreis

Lots of people were anti-Semitic, who weren't Nazis.
And she's doubly wrong about Beckmesser, because Beckmesser was a caricature of Eduard Hanslick.

Walter Ramsey

[thalbergmad]

Hitler also liked Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs - is she also responsible?

Good point. Hitler was also a big fan of King Kong so i suspect an ape was responsible as well.

Out of all her latest rants, i have not heard pianistimo mention that like all of us, Hitler was one of GODS children. There lies the responsibility.

Thal