Alarm - Amerika Going to the Fascists

[prometheus]

Even the Israeli's now admit, after lies and deception in an attempt to fake history, that there was ethnic cleansing.

[pianistimo]

of whom?  ethnic cleansing should first be explained for what it is.  mass extermination of one race.  typically entire villages.

to have known terrorists that are in jail and not having three meals a day - and ending up being killed for terrorism is not unusual in most countries.  in fact, america and israel and many other places are known for giving wayy more rights to people in jail that not.  why?  because everything is PUBLICIZED! (if not for the reason that we have a constitution which guarantees human rights - and is supposed to be followed).

people know everything that happened in guantanamo - and some or most was not conducted in a fair and equitable manner as one would expect.  but, terrorists do not consider fair and equitable in their game.  9/11 was not fair and equitable.  but, this tit-for-tat could go on forever in any country, religion, relationship.

what can fix the problem all over the entire world?  how about self-reflection.  to see where each of us fall short of tolerance, kindness and mercy.  mercy is at the top because if things always have to be equal - nobody wins.  the merciful are said to be the ones to 'see God.'

[thalbergmad]

Point?

[pianistimo]

it is better to suffer loss.

although, i also see the points that most governments stick to.  the right to defend their country from attack.

i think trust is the main issue.  there's not trust.  too much crime, corruption, etc - in our own countries.  that's not even leaving our own borders.  if we are divided then we cannot stand.  the 'indivisible' part is gone.  perhaps it went with the 'under God' part.

[m]

who are we to argue with God?  He made us. 

As far as I know, my mother and father made me. The obvious features similarity proves it the best.
If you want to say that instead of my father there was somebody else, I take it as a personal offense.

And BTW, dear Pianistimo, how many times you were asked by MANY members of this community not to insert your religious rants into threads when they are out of topic?

I am wondering why such a disrespect to us? Are you a newborn prophet and want to enlighten our paths?  

Or is it what JC taught you to do?

Or you want me to remind you that in the book of etiquette it is considered BAD MANNERS to talk about religion in public.

What part of that is unclear?

If you have any questions about it, I can ASK YOU PERSONALLY:

"PLEASE DON'T!!! IT OFFENDS ME GREAT DEAL"!!!

Thank you very much for consideration and understanding.

[cmg]

he was confused as well - and wasn't told exactly why he was taken into a room for interrogation.  he wasn't pleased either.  although - being searched is a far cry here in america from the types of interrogation that happen elsewhere. 

You mean like the Amerikan gulags in Cuba and throughout the world??  

But, thanks for checking out that link and giving us your thoughts.  Much appreciated!

[prometheus]

Where did my message go? I have never seen messages disappear before.


It still appears in the summary thingy though:

Even the Israeli's now admit, after lies and deception in an attempt to fake history, that there was ethnic cleansing.

[thalbergmad]

I had one go missing in this thread as well.

It was a paragraph on the collapse of the fishing industry as caused by the 2nd coming.

Turning 1 fish into 5,000 and the like.

Thal

[pianistimo]

who made the original mother and father?  i suppose you don't like philosophy either?  what offends you is freedom, marik.  freedom of speech.  look at the thread heading and speak to ramseytheii for me while you at your rant.

i realize that no government is perfect - but considering how many dictators there have been that have killed millions  I E    STALIN    MUSSOLINI      HITLER    IDI AMIN    SADDAM HUSSEIN

what do you say to that?  have you ever read the life of idi amin?  i'll start the story here - if noone has seen the movie.  that is dictatorship in the realm of satan personified.

[cmg]

I had one go missing in this thread as well.

It was a paragraph on the collapse of the fishing industry as caused by the 2nd coming.

Turning 1 fish into 5,000 and the like.

Thal

No, no, it's at the top of page 2.  I remember because it made me snort coffee over the keyboard.

[pianistimo]

when idi amin died - people were rejoicing.  he killed over 400,000 people from 1971-1979.  of course hitler killed millions.  idi amin just liked to see the blood the most.  this is not to mention the dictatorships that also occurred in north korea and cambodia.

people here joke about why america went to vietnam - but probably don't know what happened in the khmer rouge regime.  it was satanic, too - i think.  no human compassion.

here is an interesting fact.  this guy survived until now - with no justice.  he's 82 and finally caught.  what a joke!
https://euronews.net/index.php?page=info&article=443658&lng=1

[m]

i suppose you don't like philosophy either? 

PLEASE!!! Don't suppose for me, don't assume, don't put words into my mouth!!! OK?

what offends you is freedom, marik.  freedom of speech. 

You must be out of your mind, Pianistimo!!!

I am talking about NORMAL HUMAN BEHAVIOR IN PUBLIC, which BTW, is documented in a book of etiquette.

Do you have enough intelligence to understand that part?

[pianistimo]

then why do people think that cutting remarks are ok - but religion (which espouses mercy and kindness) is out.

what is evil, marik?  dictators are EVIL.

intelligence is being able to discern that madness has a cause.  you all might joke about the Holy Spirit.  but, it is far more able to discern intelligence than an evil spirit from Satan which is full of chaos, hatred, and vengeance. 

over the years - who are killed?  peaceful people.  it's easier to kill them.

we can talk about all the evils of every country and leader - but some are worse than others.  i want to see perspective.  the reason, i feel, that some are less is because our basic freedoms were given to us by God.  if a country is communistic and doesn't allow bibles or religion - what happens.  it becomes overrun with ideals that are according to 'state policy.'  this often becomes unbearably worse than religion.

[cmg]

Fasten your seatbelts . . . it's going to be a bumpy night.

[thalbergmad]

No, no, it's at the top of page 2.  I remember because it made me snort coffee over the keyboard.

Sorry old chap, i will get you another one.

Thal

[cmg]

over the years - who are killed?  peaceful people.  it's easier to kill them.

We agree on this.  Certainly easier to kill them than those lesbian bed mites.  An impossible scourge!

[thalbergmad]

if a country is communistic and doesn't allow bibles or religion - what happens. 

I tell you this Sister, Sodom and Gomorrah will fare better on the Day of Judgement than that Country.

Praise that.

Thal

[pianistimo]

true - but I peter 4:17 also says '...judgement must begin at the house of God; and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?'

as mentioned before - today being yom kippur - we are told to mind our own business and worry about our own salvation by repenting of our own sins.  we cannot repent of someone else's. 

if one is irreligious - they may well be better off at the judgement explaining themselves.  or - if there is no judgement (which i doubt, because then all the evils of the world would be caused by one who is just and true) - the death of the innocent means nothing.  the term 'saints' would be a sort of etherial cloud of nothing.  and, the meaning of the universe would remain an enigma.

if we are made in God's image - in the likeness of God - why can't we talk about Him?  why is it a secret?  doesn't anyone want to search the universe as God does (in the SPIRIT).  how can we do this without a spiritual body.  and, how can we progress to a spiritual body without a ressurrection?  imo - this is the most important bit of discussion - because it has to do with our future.   not to mention real peace on the earth.

[thalbergmad]

true - but I peter 4:17 also says '...judgement must begin at the house of God; and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?'

I agree Sister, but Chronicals 2:7 says "don't piss down my back and tell me its raining"

That is Satan at work and we must all beware.

Thal

[m]

then why do people think that cutting remarks are ok - but religion (which espouses mercy and kindness) is out.

I have nothing against religion. Mind you, my wife is a Christian and we were married with both Priest and Rabby.

It is not about "what", but about "how". Somehow, the way you put it is always extremely offensive and sorry, but your numerous intellectual confusions are not of help.

Now is it more understandable?

what is evil, marik? 

You want to know who is evil? I will tell you who. I am afraid you won't like this answer either, as you didn't like my others.

I believe dear Susan, that out of two evils the one is much worse who pretends to be a "good guy". One should be afraid not the one who is an enemy, but the enemy who pretends a friend.
You know, with Stalin, Hitler, Moussolini, Pinochet, etc. everything was clear from the beginning.

The real evil is the one who stole elections twice; the one who brought America into unjustice war killing people by thousands exchanging their innocent souls for oil; the one who dare to announce areas of the world Amercan "zone of interest"; the one who manipulates the media the way it is comfortable for his own interests, but not the interest of nation; the one thanks to whose complete incompetence many people have died during Katrina; the one who just in a few days has destroyed that balance in the world, which has been created for decades; the one who is ACTUALLY responsible for terrorism spread in the world; the one who sold his soul for oil.
 
Should I continue?

Oh yeah, almost forgot--last, but not the least--the one who goes to church and claims himself a "good Christian"

How about that?

[pianistimo]

I chronicles 2:7 speaks of achar - the troubler of israel (taking goods that belonged to the Lord or the Lord's temple)  II chron. 2:7 speaks of solomon requesting skilled craftsmen to build the temple of the Lord.

i suppose what you are meaning by 'pissing down one's back' is that you feel those who are chosen by God are not especially wise or prudent or even knowledgeable.  this is known by christians themselves.  'God has the foolish of the world to confound the wise....'  by this - all men know you are my disciples - if you love one another.

good christians know that they are not 'good' by their own means.  and, perhaps very hard-nosed and stubborn at times.  so why does God choose them?  maybe as He chose the second king of israel.  God doesn't look at the outward man but the inner man.  He sees something good in all of us.  He doesn't accuse us.  we can find refuge and peace in Him.  what other ruler can give us that?  no president or ruler can be in the place of God. (no pope, either). 

and, for the record - natural disasters are naturally disasterous.  i think that pa has done a huge record job of taking in katrina victims, providing relief, and giving food aid.  why?  because pa has a lot of christians of all faiths.  catholic charities provided much relief (plug for anyone who is catholic, too).

[thalbergmad]

Yes, that is exactly what i meant.

I am beginning to become predictable.

Exekiel 16:7 "thy breasts are fashioned"

Thal

[m]

and, for the record - natural disasters are naturally disasterous. 

Thanks for letting us know so there would be no any firther confusions.

i think that pa has done a huge record job of taking in katrina victims, providing relief, and giving food aid.  why?  because pa has a lot of christians.

So you imply that Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. are inferior and did not provide any relief?

You see Susan, I asked you not to, but you still keep offending and disrespect people and religions and keep going and going. And after that you are talking about kindness and mercy?

Sorry, people are judged by what they do and not by what they say.

[pianistimo]

what you are speaking of is the virgin of israel, which God guarded as a husband.  her breasts were not for consumption - but she allowed them to be with harlotries even after her husband took care of her.  but, amazingly her husband forgave her and allowed her to return.  ezekiel 16: 60 'but i shall call to mind the covenant I made with you when you were young, and i shall establish with you a covenant which will last for ever.'

our God is an awesome God.

marik - i'm not saying others did not provide relief.  in fact many jewish, and whatever else religions could have.  i said 'many faiths.'  it might interest you that i am christian - and attend a messianic synagogue.  i do not understand half the words and have to get it translated into english - but every week i try to understand hebrew and the customs and ways of doing things.  also, i have learned many ancient hebrew tunes.

[thalbergmad]

Indeed, but i was amazed that "breasts" made it into the Bible.

Do you know if there are any "Dicks" in the Bible?

This evenings conversation has been very enlightening.

Thanks

Thal

[pianistimo]

tom, dick, and harry are not spoken of in the bible.  it could be they were omitted because they were messing around in a saloon and shot a bible.  anyways - they are not what you would term 'saints' in the usual description of the term.  in fact, i think a movie was made about them.  'sinners.'

[m]

marik - i'm not saying others did not provide relief.  in fact many jewish, and whatever else religions could have.  i said 'many faiths.'  it might interest you that i am christian - and attend a messianic synagogue.  i do not understand half the words and have to get it translated into english - but every week i try to understand hebrew and the customs and ways of doing things.  also, i have learned

You know Pianistimo,

To talk to you is the same as to talk to a wall--every single word bounces back with some kind of the most amusing and unbelievable reasoning, as if I haven't said anything.

To be honest, it becomes quite nerve wrecking  and I am not even sure why would I give a *** or why should I get involved, first place.

For my own sanity I am done with arguing with you. Especially, considering how much of my precious time and energy it takes from practicing.
Consider you won this time, as well--keep doing whatever you pleased--spam, rant, ruin good threads...

I wish this forum  had an "ignore" botton--you know, the feature many forums have--when all the posts of certain people disappear, once you log in.

Just to let you know, you are on my virtual "ignore" list.

So long and good luck to you, Susan.

[ahinton]

JELLY BEANS

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Let's talk about Elliott Carter instead. A great American. Not going to the fascists. And fortunately unaware of a certain creeping fasciitis that has invaded and sullied this thread.

I'm just too incensed to write any more.

Sorry.

Best,

Aistair

[debussy symbolism]

Greetings

Not to intrude upon a seemingly imprtant thread, but I would like to make comments about "Marik's" anger at "Pianistimo's" way of responding to and comprehending the conversation here. Marik, if you are fed up with Pianistimo, ignore her. It is as simple as that.

I am sure that in another thread Pianistimo mentioned that her daughter actually asked her to get off the forum and partake in the family matters. It wouldn't be too damaging for Pianistimo if she should get banned. There are reasons to back up this judgement I make. Pianistimo would get a rest from the meaningful conversations she has here, would spend more time with the family, and perhaps indulge in activities that will hopefully somewhat brighten her mind so that she wouldn't have to BS here.

I really don't see Pianistimo getting kicked out (she probably bribes Nils to keep her), but I do suggest that she should get a break from the forum.

[thalbergmad]

Pianistimo would get a rest from the meaningful conversations she has here

To my knowledge, she has not had any.

It is entirely possible that her family encourage her to stay on here, so they don't have to listen to her.

Thal

[debussy symbolism]

I was being sarcastic. Seriously, the time she spents here is terrifying. I think she could be compared to those game addicts that stay online for most of the day. In the case of Pianistimo, she is addicted to Piano Street.

[ramseytheii]

Let's talk about Elliott Carter instead. A great American. Not going to the fascists. And fortunately unaware of a certain creeping fasciitis that has invaded and sullied this thread.

I'm just too incensed to write any more.

Sorry.

Best,

Aistair

Funny you should bring up Carter.  I hate to take the bait and go off my own thread, but some people do think of him as a fascist:

"Who's afraid of the avant-garde?  Julian Lloyd Webber, for one...  He gave a speech in February 1998 at the World Econominc Forum in Davos, Switzerland, attacking what he called "the new führers of the classical music establishment."  It received surprisingly generous media coverage, including... a long interview in The Independent with the headline "STOP THE DICTATORS OF MODERN MUSIC."

- The Irrelevance of Serious Music, Charles Rosen

Walter Ramsey

[mephisto]

Third, the Palestinians were never forced out of that land and still live in Israel.

Best, M

So you are basicly saying that Benny Morris, Ilan Pappe and Avi Shlaim are all wrong?

[cmg]

But the "elephant in the living room" is the absence of pianistimo.

She is not here.  Yet, she is not risen.  

She's probably feeling wounded, maybe depressed, and that gives me no pleasure.  

I wish she could just have one minute of real insight, one moment of reflection that would not be filtered through her religious conditioning.  One moment, in short, of true clarity.  Erase all of the Christian propaganda.  A blank slate.  Start all over as a thinking, reasoning entity.  Refuse to accept anything that can't be proven by logic.  Just as if she were born again.  Now, there's an irony, yes?  To be born again, but not to Christ, but to reason.

I wish I could tell her that her only hope of truly feeling "God" is the absence of all conditioning.  No religious propaganda.  To begin thinking about spirituality as if it were a totally new subject for her.  Start from scratch.  Clear her mind of all thinking and preconceived notions.  And just sit still and watch.  Then feel.  In time, she'd know what the truly spiritual know.  Not the religious.  The truly spiritual.  Those people who never talk about it, because they know that spirituality is individual and private.  It can't be conferred by religious systems or churches.  It's hard, solitary work.

Think she would listen?  Well, she's a sweet woman, so, of course, she'd listen, but she wouldn't hear.  And then she'd go on one of her compulsive, Bible-quoting fits and, soon enough, the argument would be buried under tons of religious rubbish.  The subject would be submerged under attempts to make logical the illogical (faith).  And we'd be back where we started.

Rather sad, huh?

Well, to those of you who are not American, welcome to my world.  

[thalbergmad]

I think she could be compared to those game addicts that stay online for most of the day.

I have heard of fruit machine addicts that carry a bag to wee in so they don't have to leave their machine.

Perhaps she does the same.

Thal

[debussy symbolism]

But the "elephant in the living room" is the absence of pianistimo.

She is not here.  Yet, she is not risen.  

She's probably feeling wounded, maybe depressed, and that gives me no pleasure.  

I wish she could just have one minute of real insight, one moment of reflection that would not be filtered through her religious conditioning.  One moment, in short, of true clarity.  Erase all of the Christian propaganda.  A blank slate.  Start all over as a thinking, reasoning entity.  Refuse to accept anything that can't be proven by logic.  Just as if she were born again.  Now, there's an irony, yes?  To be born again, but not to Christ, but to reason.

I wish I could tell her that her only hope of truly feeling "God" is the absence of all conditioning.  No religious propaganda.  To begin thinking about spirituality as if it were a totally new subject for her.  Start from scratch.  Clear her mind of all thinking and preconceived notions.  And just sit still and watch.  Then feel.  In time, she'd know what the truly spiritual know.  Not the religious.  The truly spiritual.  Those people who never talk about it, because they know that spirituality is individual and private.  It can't be conferred by religious systems or churches.  It's hard, solitary work.

Think she would listen?  Well, she's a sweet woman, so, of course, she'd listen, but she wouldn't hear.  And then she'd go on one of her compulsive, Bible-quoting fits and, soon enough, the argument would be buried under tons of religious rubbish.  The subject would be submerged under attempts to make logical the illogical (faith).  And we'd be back where we started.

Rather sad, huh?

Well, to those of you who are not American, welcome to my world.  

Yes but is it possible for Pianistimo to convert from such zealousy to a more reasonable approach? I do not think so, especially in a place where many people suppress her for her beliefs. She has probably been raised in a deeply Christian lifestyle since her birth, and the propaganda is ingrained into her brain beyond the reach of logic. Even if she does think that a certain side of her beliefs may be illogical, she would have no power to do anything about it because those same beliefs, however illogical they may be, still hold in her mind as the correct belifs and that altering them would be an act against God Himself. If she was introduced to the religion not too long ago, she could then have the conscious power to shape her beliefs, but when someone has been exposed to a school of thought for all their life it is impossible to alter it.

Pianistimo are you getting this? This is important for you. You of course are in total control of how you accept this information, but just consider the fact that there are persons here whose values may be different to yours.

[m]

So you are basicly saying that Benny Morris, Ilan Pappe and Avi Shlaim are all wrong?

I basically was saying, and repeat it again--the situation is not as simple as that and each individual case needs and HAS to be seen only in its specific context.

As for the "New Historians", not ones both Benny Morris and Ilan Pappe were accused in fabricating their sources and making up historical events in order to pass their own agendas.
I am not familiar with Avi Shlaim's work. 

[pianistimo]

i find it amusing that people consider that i have no brain simply because i found the concept of evolution more illogical than creation in highschool.  that i found history altered in college history classes.  that the meaning behind things is not often what it appears.  everyone seems to think what things 'look like' is the way they are.  what if there are still many unknowns.  things that people try to conceptualize - but are still entirely individualistic (and this is between scientists - not laypeople).  if scientists were in 100% agreement about everything - then there would be cause to tell someone who relies on faith as much as science that they were full of 'bs.'  but there is no 'bs' to God.  He made it all.  therefore, he is at the head of science and not the tail.  guess who's the tail?!  the being who started telling eve in the garden of eden that what God said wasn't true.

[pianistimo]

yes. i am addicted to piano street - but often i logout and surprisingly find that my name is still on here.  i think there are extra hours that i am simply not here and don't post and are still somehow given credit for.  this makes my hours look long.  i really don't care what statistics say about things - because whatever a person is interested in, they do.  why should i be worried if i am learning things about music.  music is my passion.

[debussy symbolism]

i find it amusing that people consider that i have no brain simply because i found the concept of evolution more illogical than creation in highschool.  that i found history altered in college history classes.  that the meaning behind things is not often what it appears.  everyone seems to think what things 'look like' is the way they are.  what if there are still many unknowns.  things that people try to conceptualize - but are still entirely individualistic (and this is between scientists - not laypeople).  if scientists were in 100% agreement about everything - then there would be cause to tell someone who relies on faith as much as science that they were full of 'bs.'  but there is no 'bs' to God.  He made it all.  therefore, he is at the head of science and not the tail.  guess who's the tail?!  the being who started telling eve in the garden of eden that what God said wasn't true.

As this is not a religious debate, I will not dwelve into those matters. However, let me point out that the reason this fiasco turned against you is because many people here find it difficult to cooperate with you because of the way you respond to posts, or your lack of responce, whichever way you may look it. Your individual beliefs here play no importance. What matters is the ability to comprehend information and react to it with a reasoned mind. You are being accused of responding not with a reasoned mind, but a flourish of religious material that is either in no way contributing to the discussion, or is just a restatement of what you said earlier.

[pianistimo]

reasoning means divining truth - does it not?  to do that - you have to go to the primary source.

[pianistimo]

reasoning means divining truth - does it not?  to do that - you have to go to the primary source.

sorry - i quoted myself.  too much chocolate cake tonight.  anyways - i was going to add something but accidentally hit the quotation button.  i forgot now what i was going to add.  anyways - marik, it was nice knowing you.  i suppose like thalbergmad (whom you could learn from) you'll be back in a matter of three weeks.  if not - your christian wife will do you in.   

ok.  i'll let it rest.  what shall we talk about now? spelling?

 

[cmg]

i find it amusing that people consider that i have no brain simply because i found the concept of evolution more illogical than creation in highschool.  that i found history altered in college history classes.  that the meaning behind things is not often what it appears.  everyone seems to think what things 'look like' is the way they are.  what if there are still many unknowns.  things that people try to conceptualize - but are still entirely individualistic (and this is between scientists - not laypeople).  if scientists were in 100% agreement about everything - then there would be cause to tell someone who relies on faith as much as science that they were full of 'bs.'  but there is no 'bs' to God.  He made it all.  therefore, he is at the head of science and not the tail.  guess who's the tail?!  the being who started telling eve in the garden of eden that what God said wasn't true.

I have never said you had "no brain."  I know you do.  And I know that it is polluted (conditioned) by the information out there that you have been flooded with and, therefore, believe to be truth.

You are wrong.

And, after this statement of yours, this "credo," I am closer to Marik's camp of filing you under "ignore" than otherwise.  Your arrogance, given the outrageous claims you have made on this forum, and which we, as gentlemen and gentlewomen, have endured with great patience is astonishing.

You have insulted, among others, all of us who are attempting to stop the spread of fascism in Amerika, by supporting, with competely fallacious and offensive data, the stolen and invalid administration of George Bush and all of the personality-disordered, right-wing Christian neo-Nazis who currently control the majority of the vote in this ridiculous country.  You have gone on record to insult, disparage and condemn to hell, homosexuals.  You have displayed the greatest bigotry to a very large audience.  And, yet, you still are unashamed.

You constantly assert that you "know" the truth of things.  You know nothing but what you're told.  You are thoroughly programmed.  Ironically, you are a common victim of cultural/religious conditioning.  You're what the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge counted on.  But because you "believe" in God and Christ, you think you are immune.  You think atrocities only occured in godless countries.  Think again.  Germany. Russia.  Amerika.  You are the poster girl for the new fascist movement.  Not only are you oblivious, you are actually proud.  Amazing.  Hubris.  You embody this Greek concept, despite your supposed piety and humility. 

I have tried to explain away your bigotry to members here as an act of compassion to you.  I am done with that.

Good luck, pianistimo.  You don't know this yet, but you're facing an existential crisis of monumental proportions.  It will be years from now.  When you are aging.  I don't wish this on you.  I just know that you're on a collision course.  And you don't even know it.

[m]

I have never said you had "no brain."  I know you do.  And I know that it is polluted (conditioned) by the information out there that you have been flooded with and, therefore, believe to be truth.

You are wrong.

And, after this statement of yours, this "credo," I am closer to Marik's camp of filing you under "ignore" than otherwise.  Your arrogance, given the outrageous claims you have made on this forum, and which we, as gentlemen and gentlewomen, have endured with great patience is astonishing.

You have insulted, among others, all of us who are attempting to stop the spread of fascism in Amerika, by supporting, with competely fallacious and offensive data, the stolen and invalid administration of George Bush and all of the personality-disordered, right-wing Christian neo-Nazis who currently control the majority of the vote in this ridiculous country.  You have gone on record to insult, disparage and condemn to hell, homosexuals.  You have displayed the greatest bigotry to a very large audience.  And, yet, you still are unashamed.

You constantly assert that you "know" the truth of things.  You know nothing but what you're told.  You are thoroughly programmed.  Ironically, you are a common victim of cultural/religious conditioning.  You're what the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge counted on.  But because you "believe" in God and Christ, you think you are immune.  You think atrocities only occured in godless countries.  Think again.  Germany. Russia.  Amerika.  You are the poster girl for the new fascist movement.  Not only are you oblivious, you are actually proud.  Amazing.  Hubris.  You embody this Greek concept, despite your supposed piety and humility. 

I have tried to explain away your bigotry to members here as an act of compassion to you.  I am done with that.

Good luck, pianistimo.  You don't know this yet, but you're facing an existential crisis of monumental proportions.  It will be years from now.  When you are aging.  I don't wish this on you.  I just know that you're on a collision course.  And you don't even know it.

Amen.

P.S. Incidently, a few weeks ago I addressed to Pianistimo her way as a direct path to fashism, fundamentalism, stalinism, etc.

I am glad I am not alone thinking this way.

[pianistimo]

aging is inevitable, cmg.  doing it by harranging on other's free right to speech is a sign of intolerance.  it means you want to be the only one talking.  notice on this particular thread that i am far outnumbered.  wouldn't it have been easier to just ignore my posts altogether?  i think you are reacting in fear.  i don't exactly know what of.  perhaps that another side will be given?  one that you don't agree with and don't want said?

[cmg]

aging is inevitable, cmg.  doing it without harranging on other's free right to speech is a sign of intolerance.  it means you want to be the only one talking.  notice on this particular thread that i am far outnumbered.  wouldn't it have been easier to just ignore my posts altogether?  i think you are reacting in fear.  i don't exactly know what of.  perhaps that another side will be given?  one that you don't agree with and don't want said?

No.  You don't understand the legal notion of "free speech."  You cannot slander others.  You cannot libel others.  You cannot utter falsehoods, even if you are ignorant that what you are uttering is a falsehood.

You are outnumbered because your "free speech" is permeated with falsehoods.  Freedom requires responsibility.  You need to face up to that.

We don't ignore your threads for many reasons.  We care for you as a valued member of this forum.  But we care for truth more.  I'm sorry.  But, that's why we confront you.  You think you express the truth, but too often, you don't.  You express right-wing, American-Christian propaganda.  That is not truth.  If we weren't caring people, we'd ignore you.  But we care for you.  We challenge you.   You deserve to be more than a slave of Christian/America.

[cmg]

God, it's 11:56 pm here in NYC.  For the past three hours -- prior to lecturing poor, dear pianistimo -- I've been wrestling with that damned arpeggiated thing that ushers in the development of the Rach 2.  You know, those 16th notes in the right hand against that stupid triplet in the left?  Do pianists fake those two bars?  Please let me know if you do.  I'm going nuts here.

'night, everyone. 

sorry if I was an irritant tonight.   

[ultraviolet]

America will never go to the fascists because Bush is going to be out of office in less than a year.  I personally think we should re-elect no one in the future.  Get everyone out in 4 years.  Then, no fascism.

And don't let Arnold run!  He's trying to get the laws changed so he can, but don't let him.

[cmg]

I think we should start spelling it Amerique because truth to be told, we're all acting like a bunch of French people.  As time goes on, we get more arrogant, drink more wine, and stink more.  Every day.  Plus, we care so much more about style than we used to.

Thanks, ultraviolet.  Your cosmopolitan comment is much appreciated.  Even though your "post count" indicates that you've not been around as long as some of us and, therefore, your patience (and compassion -- you do know what that means, don't you?) has not been challenged by pianistimo's more inflammatory utterances, I'll overlook your francophobe allusions to our arrogance, stench and alcoholism.

I'm so happy, however, that you appreciate our striving for style.

p.s.  I'm a member of AA.  Perhaps you are projecting?