Thalbermad v Ahinton -- Getting women pregnant, paternity issues

[ahinton]

Must be a long one

No - just 157 words; not long at all, really, especially when it's in response to such intellectually probing and thoughtful posts from you...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Sod it, i'm going to bed

Let's forget the sodomy suggestion but do make sure that you take a few of those willie wellies with you...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Must be a long one

Really? In that case, all the more reason for you to ensure that you have a plentiful supply of those willie wellies with you when you retire to bed.

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Milton's Sonnet On The Rights of Working Women (op. posth.) might be apposite here:


Our member Thalbergmad’s now gone to bed;
Th’exchange of words has gone right to his head.
His placing of a wellie on a willie
Doth sound to be both painful and quite silly,
As well as being a strange kind of "reception"
To aid in the prevention of conception.
But – working femmes of England – don’t dismay,
For help (and common sense) is on its way.
Thou shalt not be dismissèd by thy bosses
Because thou might conceive; ’t’would be their losses
Should you withdraw your labour during labour.
Give birth! and let th’employer rattle his sabre.
So – let there be an end to this misogyny
That seeks to put employers before progeny.


The great English poets usually had something useful to say in most situations and the above surely demonstrates amply that the present subject is no exception.

Best,

Alistair

[m]

Gentlemen,

With all due respect, I cannot believe you can find that much time for all this ongoing crap... 
I mean sure--no objections if you like to, but just little bit jelous as for the time you can spare for something that does not make any sense...
 
I have to admit though, your interaction at times can become somewhat amusing. Keep it up, if you like...

Best wishes, M 

[lisztisforkids]

 
I have to admit though, your interaction at times can become somewhat amusing. Keep it up, if you like...

Best wishes, M 

 Indeed, this is perhaps one of the greatest threads in the history of piano street. Maybe we should start an archive to preserve all of these wonderfull and probing ideas... Very enjoyable.

[ahinton]

Gentlemen,

With all due respect, I cannot believe you can find that much time for all this ongoing crap... 
I mean sure--no objections if you like to, but just little bit jelous as for the time you can spare for something that does not make any sense...
 
I have to admit though, your interaction at times can become somewhat amusing. Keep it up, if you like...

I cannot speak for Thal, of course, but I can assure you that it doesn't take up much time for me...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Gentlemen,

With all due respect, I cannot believe you can find that much time for all this ongoing crap... 

Over the weekend my time is my own and it is a pleasure to interact with our learned Scottish Immigrant.

I do not think you should get involved, less this encroaches on your practising time and you end up like Barhenboing or whatever his name is.

Thal

[gyzzzmo]

We should all change the world: All men work, half of the women work and the rest of the women should breed non-stop. Ahintons happy, Thalbergmads happy!

Sounds like a 'brave new world' 

[gyzzzmo]

We should all change the world: All men work, half of the women work and the rest of the women should breed non-stop. Ahintons happy, Thalbergmads happy!

Sounds like a 'brave new world'  (Me wanna be Alfa!!)

[thalbergmad]

Might you therefore perhaps advocate in UK the kind of seccessive arrangement that has just befallen Serbia (in the splintering from it of Kosovo), with Scotland, Wales and the quaintly misnamed "Northern Ireland" breaking away from England so that there is no longer anything that could reasonably continue to be called an "United Kingdom"?

I am FOR the split up of the UK, but that MUST include financial independance as well.

No more English taxes going north of the border to keep the "Whiskey Breaths" in benefits.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

We should all change the world: All men work, half of the women work and the rest of the women should breed non-stop.

Indeed it is true that some of our English females do nothing but breed, because it increases their benefits and guarantees housing. They will always have enough money for drink and cigarettes whilst their children run around with soiled nappies.

Even worse are the immigrants that breed. Only the other day some Romanian woman and her 12 trainee pickpockets were complaining about the house they were put in. The answer is simple, turf them out and put them on the next horsecart back to the rat infested compost heap from whence they probably came.

Thal

[ahinton]

I am FOR the split up of the UK, but that MUST include financial independance as well.

No more English taxes going north of the border to keep the "Whiskey Breaths" in benefits.

Thal

I'm not sure about this split, one way or the other; I think that it may well happen, but how advantageous or otherwise it may be remains to be seen. "Whiskey" is Irish; "whisky" is Scottish. Do bear in mind that whisky generates vast amounts of tax revenue for the UK government, not only for what is sold within UK but also from exports. And we Scots generously shared our North Sea oil and gas reserves with the rest of UK, instead of exporting them to England, Wales and the quaintly named "Northern Ireland" as would have been the case had UK broken up three or four decades ago. The proportion of people on state benefits in Scotland is no greater than in England.

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Indeed it is true that some of our English females do nothing but breed, because it increases their benefits and guarantees housing. They will always have enough money for drink and cigarettes whilst their children run around with soiled nappies.

If you seriously think that anything beyond the tiniest minority of women "breed" in order to guarantee state benefits and housing, you are grave(send)ly deluding yourself.

Even worse are the immigrants that breed.

So Scottish mothers are, by definition, "even worse" than English ones? I do try to take you seriously at all times, Thal, but on occasion you make it exceedingly difficult...

Only the other day some Romanian woman and her 12 trainee pickpockets were complaining about the house they were put in.

So all criminals are Romanian, or other Eastern European, or at the very least non-English? Well, that's news to me. Romanians have broadly the same rights of abode in UK as Brits have in Romania, now that the country is an EC member. Over the next few decades, it is quite possible that the number of EC members will more than double, especially in existing members such as UK and Belgium split into smaller entities, so you'd better get used to the idea that borders from Scotland to Moldova, Portugal to Ukraine, Norway to Turkey, etc. will become ever thinner (the moment that Turkey joins, for example, Scotland will effectively have a border with Itaq).

The answer is simple, turf them out and put them on the next horsecart back to the rat infested compost heap from whence they probably came.

As indicated above, that is not only not "the answer" (especially as no question had been asked) bualso quite simply not possible unless serious crimes have been committed and, in any case, at whose expense would you have such people repatriated even if you could? It would have to be that of UK, would it not?

Best,

Alistair

[pianochick93]

We should all change the world: All men work, half of the women work and the rest of the women should breed non-stop. Ahintons happy, Thalbergmads happy!

Sounds like a 'brave new world' 

Hmm...which half would I choose, I like the work side, but the breeding non-stop... I wouldn't go for the childbirth, but the conception part wouldn't be half bad.

[thalbergmad]

So all criminals are Romanian, or other Eastern European, or at the very least non-English?

1 in 8 inmates of our prisons were not born in England.

Does that not tell you something.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

And we Scots generously shared our North Sea oil and gas reserves with the rest of UK

Which is shortly to run out, so apart from oat cakes and cabers, the Scots will have nothing of value.

Thal

[shortyshort]

so apart from oat cakes and cabers, the Scots will have nothing of value.

We could give them back Berwick. 

[thalbergmad]

Polls taken at Berwick indicate that the inhabitants would welcome this.

They know they will be much better off and they will get more English taxpayers money if they are part of Scotland.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

So Scottish mothers are, by definition, "even worse" than English ones?

Yes, that is correct, because they probably get drunk earlier in the day.

Thal

[ahinton]

1 in 8 inmates of our prisons were not born in England.

Does that not tell you something.

Yes. It tells me that more people, not least the English, move from country to country far more than ever used to be the case, although by no means all of them are criminals. In UK, we no longer have enough places for prisoners from anywhere in any case, but then that's not as simple an issue as it might seem; jail terms and the extent to which they are dispensed by judges are matters of political expediency as much as they are of current thinking or otherwise about justice.

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Which is shortly to run out, so apart from oat cakes and cabers, the Scots will have nothing of value.

Apart from those whisky and raspberry exports? Do bear in mind that, had an independent Scotland (not that I'm necesarily advocating one) kept those reserves for use only by Scottish citizens, they would take far longer to get near to running out. Anyway, the Scots will still have me, even though I am an ex-pat of somewhat long standing...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

We could give them back Berwick. 

There was a time when the story used to be told that England, Scotland and Berwick signed up to the Crimean war but that, as only England and Scotland signed the treaty thereafter, Berwick-upon-Tweed remains at war with Russia; whose would it therefore be to give back?...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Yes. It tells me that more people, not least the English, move from country to country far more than ever used to be the case

It tells me that we are getting other countries crap, when we already have enough of our own.

Thal

[ahinton]

Polls taken at Berwick indicate that the inhabitants would welcome this.

They know they will be much better off and they will get more English taxpayers money if they are part of Scotland.

I take it that you possess ample reliable scientific research to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. You seem persistently to imply that the Scots somehow contrive to pay different taxes at different rates to the English, yet I am entirely unaware that national taxes are materially different in the two countries.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

There was a time when the story used to be told that England, Scotland and Berwick signed up to the Crimean war but that, as only England and Scotland signed the treaty thereafter, Berwick-upon-Tweed remains at war with Russia; whose would it therefore be to give back?...

Best,

Alistair

I understand the story holds true for the lonely Island of St Kilda as well.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

I take it that you possess ample reliable scientific research to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. You seem persistently to imply that the Scots somehow contrive to pay different taxes at different rates to the English, yet I am entirely unaware that national taxes are materially different in the two countries.

I refer to the benefits recieved from taxation, not the rates payable.

Thal

[ahinton]

Yes, that is correct, because they probably get drunk earlier in the day.

"That is correct" is a statement of what purports to be a presentation of fact, yet you back it up with what you appear to believe is a mere "probability". In any case, if the average Scot consumed as much alcohol at any time of any day as you by your own admission have claimed is a personal requirement in order to listen to my string quintet, you might even be right; he/she doesn't, however...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

It tells me that we are getting other countries crap, when we already have enough of our own.

And does it also tell you anything about the more beneficial things that we get from other countries or those that other countries get from people who leave this one to go abroad?

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

I need valium to get through your string quartet, not alcohol.

Thal

[ahinton]

I refer to the benefits recieved from taxation, not the rates payable.

I am unaware that rates of state benefit are any different in Scotland to what they are in England either; anyway, "i before e except after failed attempts to pillory the Scots" is a rule that you might care to observe de temps en temps...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

And does it also tell you anything about the more beneficial things that we get from other countries or those that other countries get from people who leave this one to go abroad?

Best,

Alistair

It tells me that the crime rate is higher for immigrants.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

I am unaware that rates of state benefit are any different in Scotland to what they are in England either; anyway, "i before e except after failed attempts to pillory the Scots" is a rule that you might care to observe de temps en temps...

Best,

Alistair

I said benefits, not state benefit.

Thal

[ahinton]

I need valium to get through your string quartet, not alcohol.

That wasn't what you claimed previously (which is why I mentioned it), so have you changed your mind or your intake or both? In any case, if taking valium instead of beer in such circumstances turns a quintet into a quartet, Hofmann la Roche will doubtless be as intrigued as they will be happy...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

It tells me that the crime rate is higher for immigrants.

Even if so, does it also tell you that the immigrant criminals commit more crime when in foreign countries than they would do if they'd stayed at home and, if so, why and, if not, why not? Does it also tell you that English people abroad are more prone to committing crimes than those who remain here (and, once again, if so, why and, if not, why not?)...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

I said benefits, not state benefit.

I accept that you did and admit that I had assumed that you meant state benefits; since you apparently did not mean that, what did you mean by "benefits"?

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

That wasn't what you claimed previously (which is why I mentioned it), so have you changed your mind or your intake or both?

My mistake, i mistook your quartet for next doors cat trying to get into the dustbin.

Sorry

Thal

[thalbergmad]

I accept that you did and admit that I had assumed that you meant state benefits; since you apparently did not mean that, what did you mean by "benefits"?

Best,

Alistair

Help with University fees, better care for the aged and you don't have to live at the right postcode to get life saving drugs.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Signing off, got work to do.

The floor is yours.

Thal

[ahinton]

My mistake, i mistook your quartet for next doors cat trying to get into the dustbin.

I cannot wait to meet you next door neighbour's cat, since if it takes it 170 minutes to get into a dustbin, I can only conclude that it is either less adept than almost any other cat on earth or that it's been following your example and taking valium. Furthermore, you still seem to be "mistaking" my quintet for a quartet (see above).

Sorry

For what and to whom or what? - the cat? - the dustbin?...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Help with University fees, better care for the aged and you don't have to live at the right postcode to get life saving drugs.

OK, so now at least you have made yourself clearer on this. I fear that you are wrong to suggest that there is so clear a dividing line between Scotand and England in such matters, for it is my experience that the availability and effectiveness of all three of these things (and others) vary quite widely across areas of both countries; for example, someone with multiple sclerosis would have had much better access to state-supported treatment had she lived next door to where she did several years ago - and I am talking about the borders between Somerset and Wiltshire, not England and Scotland.

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Signing off, got work to do.

Enjoy!

The floor is yours.

If it were so, the first thing I'd do is clean your racist and sexually prejudiced muck off it. Anyway, we've each strayed well away from the thread topic and, since I have no direct personal interest either in paternity issues or getting women pregnant, I suggest that the floor is in fact yours.

Best,

Alistair

[Bob]

Dang.... 



(eats popcorn and watches)



(warms hands on flames)



(cooks more popcorn on flames)

[thalbergmad]

If it were so, the first thing I'd do is clean your racist and sexually prejudiced muck off it. Anyway, we've each strayed well away from the thread topic and, since I have no direct personal interest either in paternity issues or getting women pregnant, I suggest that the floor is in fact yours.

For someone who has no direct personal interest, you sure have written a lot on the subject.

So whilst you are getting your mop out, kindly clean your own muck as well as mine.

Instead of getting involved in such threads, you could always shut up, but i doubt if that will happen.

Thal

[ahinton]

For someone who has no direct personal interest, you sure have written a lot on the subject.

And you haven't? You may have written less words than I, but you've surely expressed some pretty (or rather un-pretty) extreme views...

So whilst you are getting your mop out, kindly clean your own muck as well as mine.

Mine being what, precisely? - since whatever it may be (in your view) is not racist or anti-feminine, what would you claim to be its specifically "mucky" aspect/s?...

Instead of getting involved in such threads, you could always shut up, but i doubt if that will happen.

I didn't start this thread; neither did you. Neither of us asked for our names to be included in it; they nevertheless have been. The need for either of us to "shut up" therein is clearly lessened considerably by that inclusion of reference to us therein; accordingly, I'd worry far less, if I were you (which I'm obviously not), about which of us contributes what to it, since we are the subjects/objects but not the instigators.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

I knew it, he has to have the last word.

Last word Hinty.

Thal

[ahinton]

I knew it, he has to have the last word.

Last word Hinty.

I fear that no one may end up having the last word in this thread unless Nils deletes it altogether; in the meantime, before he does so (if indeed he does), you might like to respond to my most recent comment on the nature of some of your contributions to it. You might also like to castigate the member who spelt your forum name incorrectly in the thread title; what goes immediately before madness may be interesting to some, even if in your own case it is only the letter "g"...

Anyway, at around this time yesterday evening you were about to get to work, as I recall, so perhaps you are once again poised to do so (though maybe not necessarily in the particular way suggested by part of the thread title)...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Indeed, the possibility exists due to the time ( 11.47 at the time of writing but likely to be 12.47 when i have finished) that i might be poised (should i decide to do so) to do some work.

I may (or may not) decide to castigate the originator of this thread due to the misspelling of my forum persona which is currently under copyright.

Whilst neither of us instigated this thread, I think that it should be deleted due to some of the long words and bad grammer used ( giving ample opportunity for future spelling corrections).

Hoping that my comments somewhat alleviate your current disposition and leave you in a state of perplexing insomnia which is how i am after reading yours.

Thal

[ahinton]

I may (or may not) decide to castigate the originator of this thread due to the misspelling of my forum persona which is currently under copyright.

That's your prerogative, of course; you might care to mention that I drew your attention to this gaffe if and when you do decide to castigate as you suggest...

Whilst neither of us instigated this thread, I think that it should be deleted due to some of the long words and bad grammer used ( giving ample opportunity for future spelling corrections).

...such as "grammer" above, presumably; such deletion decision is Nils's and his alone, so we'll just have to wait and see, won't we?...

Hoping that my comments somewhat alleviate your current disposition and leave you in a state of perplexing insomnia which is how i am after reading yours.

Your comments are taken in precisely the spirit in which I take you to have made them and, whilst I am uncertain of the precise nature of the particular disposition to which you refer here, let me hasten to assure you that, if I am in any state of insomnia at this moment (and I am not suggesting that this is the case), it would be neither perplexing nor due in any way to anything that you have written.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

You aint having the last word Hinty.

Thal