i have returned from pf gitmo

[thalbergmad]

And, if he is communist - why does He trust G-d the Father and not some dictator?

Is it possible that God is a dictator??

[pianistimo]

He's a nice one.  However, you could see some bad repercussions if you steal, murder, kill, lie.  You know - stuff like that.

McCain is not a trigger happy person, btw.  After so long being in captivity - he was actually one of the ones that wasn't happy with the idea of guantanamo bay as being a place any different than american prison with three square meals a day.  How does that make him trigger happy.  I don't think he relishes anyone being tortured.

The chance for peace was lost when Paulson sold the bank to the UN.  Then, it was lost again when Reverend Wright (or was it Jesse Jackson? or was it both of them?) went to visit Gov. Blagovich and pray for him.  Next, we'll find out that somehow the fire in the DC visitors center was some kind of retribution by a person mad about Blagovich going back to Serbia. 

[morningstar]

Compare America to Britain: Americans go about shooting each other and blowing houses up because their neighbour shouted at their cat in the morning. British people don't do that. They'll only stab each other for more...worthwhile?...reasons.

Yeah the Brits are only gutsy enough to have drive-by arguments! lol

America bomb people/countries that are having a political debate with another country that doesn't involve America in any way! Yet they feel the need to involve themselves and cause more trouble. The Iraq wars would probably have ceased a couple of years ago if America were not involved.

Just curious-when did the Brits withdraw? I can't remember. But it wasn't just America anyway, all the Allies went in to Iraq. While perhaps not as much at fault for the continuing war our countries aren't perfect in that respect either.

There are good and bad things in the world ~ and a female, middle-aged, American Christian cannot change that. Not by the power of prayer, God or an internet forum.
G.W.K

Doesn't stop her from trying though...can at least respect that.

[gyzzzmo]

The only reason he suffered in a prison camp was because he got captured.

There is no other reason.

Thal

Thats one of Pianistimo's 'problems' in thinking. She thinks that theres a reason for everything that happens. If i ate beans and if i have to fart alot, its not my intestines, its the will of God that smells that bad.

[ahinton]

He's a nice one.  However, you could see some bad repercussions if you steal, murder, kill, lie.  You know - stuff like that.

A benevolent dictator to all other than those who misbehave themselves according to His rules; that's all very well but, whilst I am hardly in favour of theft, murder and lying (just as well I'm not an American president, then!), that sounds rather horrifyingly cost and complacent and at the same time more than faintly patronising.

Susan, when will you ever curtail this incessant stuff that you write about God as though you know Him well enough to have his phone number in your database and to share a glass or three of wine with Him now and then? Do you not realise that this kind of talk can be one of a number of things that you write that might risk discouraging some people from developing a belief in God?

McCain is not a trigger happy person, btw.  After so long being in captivity - he was actually one of the ones that wasn't happy with the idea of guantanamo bay as being a place any different than american prison with three square meals a day.  How does that make him trigger happy.  I don't think he relishes anyone being tortured.

What he is and what he relishes is surely now of mere passing interest. George Bush is still president and Obama president-elect and the latter will assume the presidency in a few weeks' time unless something unfortunate happens to him that precludes his doing so; what matters now is what happens under Obama's presidency. However, in case it may lately have escaped your notice, Susan, there actually are other countries in the world besides the United States, just as there are other faiths besides Christianity; your frequent unwillingness to give due recognition to these basic facts when posting your volumes on religion (from your very particularised Christian standpoint) and politics (from your equally particularised American one) is just one of the factors that encourages some people to accuse you of a blinkered, inflexible and bigoted attitude.

The chance for peace was lost when Paulson sold the bank to the UN.  Then, it was lost again when Reverend Wright (or was it Jesse Jackson? or was it both of them?) went to visit Gov. Blagovich and pray for him.  Next, we'll find out that somehow the fire in the DC visitors center was some kind of retribution by a person mad about Blagovich going back to Serbia. 

OK, so you can claim expert knowledge and understanding of banking, economics, the history of UN, Serbian terrorism and politics and such matters, can you? Just consider your first sentence here; it is very specifically Americanocentric, to the point of implying that the opportunity to secure world peace was dependent solely on a single decision of one man (an American, of course) to sell a particular entity - now just how biased, constricted and tunnel-visioned is that kind of "thinking"?...

I know that you and I were born, raised and live in different countries but it often feels as though we inhabit different planets...

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

He's a nice one.  However, you could see some bad repercussions if you steal, murder, kill, lie.  You know - stuff like that.

Yeh, he is a nice dictator. Just ask the millions that have died in his name and been murdered via those that claim to be doing his will.

Thal

[gyzzzmo]

He's a nice one.  However, you could see some bad repercussions if you steal, murder, kill, lie.  You know - stuff like that.

The problem is that nobody knows if a God is a nice one. Not even the bible itself agrees on that since the old testament and new one are contradicting on this point.

However too many 'religious'  leaders (from any religion) abuse people by interpretating actions as 'Gods will', wich is ofcourse their own will. And mindless followers of religion like Pianistimo do anything to follow that person into extremes, since its supposed to be 'gods will' afterall.
That way religion is much more a tool of death and war than it is for peace.

[richard black]

And, if he is communist - why does He trust G-d the Father and not some dictator?

Not quite sure what communism and dictatorship have got to do with each other, but anyway Jesus trusted in a deity because as well as being a communist he was a theist. Even now, the two are not seen by all commentators as mutually incompatible.

[pianistimo]

Stalin worshipped G-d?  Hitler was a Christian?  Mussolini a devout Catholic?  Hmmm.  If they were - what was the underlying motivation to be into the occult.  All of them worshipped in the occult to a much deeper devotion.  Of course, one could say - even George Washington was a Mason and mason's are supposed to be worshipping a one world order, too.

I don't know much about the Masons other than what I hear.  After all, if you are a woman, that eliminates you from the meetings.  But, if i were a fly on the wall according to some internet sites that claim a mason came out of the system and explains it all - it would be that the source of power for ALL the world's leaders have been according to Satan's plans and not G-d's in the ultimate sense.

Bildeberg meetings whether secret or not - (internet divulges a lot) - seem to indicate a working together for a world union by a majority of the world's leaders.  They know that it is prophecied by both G-d and Satan himself - so why fight it?  Well, that's because Satan is the master of this current world the way it currently is.

Btw, a better word for G-d is 'I AM.'  He describes Himself as the alpha and omega.  I know no dictator that was and hasn't died.  They may talk this way about themselves - that they are so great!  But, they die.  That proves to me that they only live to promote their agendas for a proscribed amount of time.  That agenda was from Satan at the beginning.  It was a lie.  And, said to bring blessings and the same 'eternal life' that only Jesus can bring.

[thalbergmad]

Well, that's because Satan is the master of this current world the way it currently is.

He is the master of your mind.

[olga_janina]

Stalin worshipped G-d? 

He trained to be a priest.

[pianistimo]

Lies are promoted by liars, Thal.  Tell me what I've said that is a lie.  Then, tell me what is the real truth.  You've been quiet on that since you came on this forum.  You haven't promoted anything at all.  That is quite secretive and makes you suspect in my mind as to having an alternative agenda than the one you propose of 'getting rid of the scum' - as you are quite open about the idea that you think some people are lesser than others.  THat doesn't promote equality of all peoples and religions.

If Stalin was serious about the priesthood, he wouldn't have become bitter that they didn't allow him to become a priest.  I WONDER WHY? 

There are different kinds of philosophy that allow one to worship Satan under the guise of Christianity, too.  Those kind openly combine mysticism with 'order.'  You'll see the word 'order' in almost everything written about that Church.  It's supposedly the order passed down from Jesus Christ - but it was actually Simon Magus order.  The magisterium.  It has sacramental consequences.  Remember the bible says you can 'eat and drink damnation to yourself.'

[thalbergmad]

Lies are promoted by liars, Thal.  Tell me what I've said that is a lie.  Then, tell me what is the real truth.  You've been quiet on that since you came on this forum.  You haven't promoted anything at all.  That is quite secretive and makes you suspect in my mind as to having an alternative agenda than the one you propose of 'getting rid of the scum' - as you are quite open about the idea that you think some people are lesser than others.  THat doesn't promote equality of all peoples and religions.

You must realise that not everyone spills out all of their views on the internet. The fact that i am "secretive" is no cause for suspicion. I choose not reveal all of my views in this format.

This might seem strange to you, as you pour your filth all over the place and refuse to shut up even when politely requested to do so. I have had my "moments", but when i offended someone, i stopped out of respect.

You have no respect whatsoever on this forum for anyone, so i would not expect you to do the same. You will carry on with your demented posts until you are banned again.

And yes, i do think some people are lesser than others. Equality is a dream that can turn into a nightmare as has been revealed in English politics.

If i do have an agenda, it is the complete removal of enforced Christian teaching in our Schools, which i am pleased to say is being gradually implemented.

Thal

[pianistimo]

Gradually?  It has been part of an agenda since 1945 and most certainly implemented right away so as to promote separation of church and state.  How is this recent?

And, about lies - how about this one?  I found this in a book entitled 'the Destruction of the Christian Tradition' by Rama Coomaraswamy  and it regards that Magesterium of which I spoke (btw, this word in the Catholic faith refers the MOST to the sacraments and how they are given)

'The post-Concilar establishment has violated it's (OWN) magisterial structures aimed at protecting the sacraments in every possible way.  Consider the Traditional Mass.  This rite was protected by the Papal Bull Quo Primum, which states that no priest can be forbidden to say this mass, and that the faithful shall always have access to it.  Moreover, this papal bull was re-affirmed by every pope from St. Pius to John XXIII.  This is now a FORBIDDEN MASS.  The new Church attempts to disguise this fact by allowing the so-called 'Indult' Mass, or the Novus Ordo in Latin with Chant.  Similarly, organizations of seemingly traditional priests such as the Society of St. Peter are organized, but their priests are ordained by bishops who themselves are consecrated by the new and almost certainly invalid post-Concilar rites and hence, do not have the power to ordain.  They are committed to the validity of the Novus Ordo Missa  The Mass of All Times is forbidden.  The Words spoken by Christ have been changed.'

Now, corruption is everywhere in every Church - no doubt.  This is what makes some skeptical of religion in general.  And, yet - we are told in the bible that 'perilous times will come' and that we have to be careful to 'prove all things' according to the Words of Jesus himself.

IF one does not proclaim themselves religious - why fight with religious people.  It seems self-defeating.  However, Thal, you seem curious about it all enough to make me highly suspicious and thinking that you are INDEED interested in the subject very much.  Especially, in the similarity and difference between Christianity and Egyptology.   There is much to find in Simon Magus who started the idea that the Magisterium is secret knowledge from EGYPT>

Perhaps it all started with the first pope Clement who was trained at the Alexandrian School that Simon Magus began.  The idea of philosophy and christianity together - appealling to the roman 'ruler/gods' like Nero was much more able to convince the Romans to slightly tolerate Christianity.  However, we have to wait until Constantine to get official recognition - thus - reclaiming 'popes' before this time since they are likely called 'bishops.'

The REAL church did go underground to the catecombs - but the disciples split and went different ways and the ones left in Rome were those who 'got along' - and not those who 'dissented.'  Here's the history of the Church that brings you philosophy and religion together: https://www.coptic.net/articles/ClementOfAlexandria.txt

[thalbergmad]

Gradually?  It has been part of an agenda since 1945 and most certainly implemented right away so as to promote separation of church and state.  How is this recent?

Again, not all of us are Americans and not all of us are Christians. You do not think of situations in other Countries when you make statements like this.

When i was at school, the Bible and other associated religious nonsense was hammered into my head at least twice a day. This went on throughout my school life and in fact, i had to actually attend Church to get into my secondary school.

The tide is now turning against this enforced brain washing and many schools now teach other religions and beliefs and religious education is no longer compulsory. I recall reading about this only this year, which is why i used the word recent. Because you think your Country is the only County and your religion is the only religion, you do not seem to appreciate what happens outside of your tiny little enclosed box.

I am not against religious teaching in schools, but there must be a choice. I see this as an irrversible step in the right direction.

I also believe that church and state should be totally seperate as it is impossible to run a Country by the teaching of a 2,000 year old book written by unknown goatherders and dirt kickers. Religion in government can produce warmongers like Bush & Blair.

The Church of England thankfully has very little power and influence compared to that which it once enjoyed and abused. It is reduced to a group of babbling Bishops, preaching to a ever dwindling congregation, pathetically trying to resolve todays issues using a bronze age guide book.

They do much good, but are no longer suitable for any position of influence.

Thal

[richard black]

The REAL church....

Ah, yes, that one. In the area where I live there are dozens of little churches, all with slightly different (but confusingly similar names) all claiming to be the 'real' church. And I dare say this was the case in every century back to 33AD.

Stalin worshipped G-d?

Did he? I don't know. Probably grew up as a church-goer, anyway, most people in Georgia did until very recently but, having been there, I can say that in my experience they're the usual bunch of 'just-in-case' not-quite-believers who pay lip service to the church as part of the accepted social norms.

[thalbergmad]

It seems self-defeating.  However, Thal, you seem curious about it all enough to make me highly suspicious and thinking that you are INDEED interested in the subject very much.  Especially, in the similarity and difference between Christianity and Egyptology.   

Why be suspicious, i have made it clear in the past that i am interested in the subject, but i will not waste my words on you.

I once spent a lot of time and effort to illustrate to you that it was impossible that Ramsees was the Pharoah of the Exodus and that his name was entered by hopeful biblical editors.

You would not accept it, as your entire existance hangs on every single word of this book and you fail to appreciate that you are not reading it in its original form.

You are a waste of time and effort as your closed mind is not open to one word that contravenes the Bible and i will not be dragged into any more fruitless arguments.

My mantlepiece has got more ability to learn than you have.

Thal

[pianistimo]

Thanks for the insight, Thal, and I truly do respect your 'history' with the church - and also your saying 'we should have a choice.'  At least with that - you acknowledge that there should be a choice for students as to what they believe and not 'hammered' with knowledge that they have skepticism about.

OK.  Regarding true and false rather than 'real' and 'unreal' - lets go to Clement - the first pope and what he believed.  He did not think the book of Acts was 'canonical!'  This is somewhat unreal to us Christians today because we consider that the Catholics were somewhat the final decision makers as to what is canonical and what is not.  So why did the Catholics disagree with their own first pope?  Perhaps because the first pope was wrong about Paul?  You see, Paul explained things much differently than Clement. Clement wanted knowledge by 'gnosis' - and Paul was truly against that.  It is 'Pauls gospel' if you want to call it that.

Now, Paul made sure that it was canonical because he hisorically wrote the book to Theophilis (most excellent) and Theophilus had the letter and probably Clement a copy.  Many copies get made and of COURSE - you can't get rid of the book or letter.  Too many people know about it.  So what do you do then?  Well, put James at odds with Paul somehow.  Paul is here sent to the gentiles and writes a book called 'Romans' while James considers himself content to write to 'the twelve tribes who are scatterred abroad.'

Now, when you consider a gospel similar and different - of course, those who are gentile will not want the gospel of James to be in any way similar to the gospel of Paul because it would be 'too Jewish.'  But, both Paul and James were jews!  So...to make their gospels as different as possible - we have the inclusion of the dream of Paul that said 'all things are clean.'  This relieved the Christians that time for not eating food sacrificed to idols that they personally had no vested interest in the idols and just wanted to eat some food.  Paul didn't want them combining pagan idolatry with christianity.

Also, Paul names the source of the 'mystery' in Acts 3:16 'and on the basis of faith in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man....'  Now, this eliminates completely the idea that greek/roman philosophy can combine with Christianity to provide 'indulgences' or any such thing to the gospel of Christ.  And Paul was sent to tell them as such.

So...what do we have here?  Clement, who repeatedly uses gospel verses along with his own 'bla bla' to make himself look official.  But, he was unofficial as 'heck' and I say that with the devil's permission.   Even the devil knows it was hay.  The ideas of philosophy started in Egypt and had to do with gods Isis, Osiris, (yeah mary and jesus as gods together) - and also to do with Horus (the baby) - and all kinds of philosophy regarding the 'magesterium' or using repetitions of words to produce a 'charm.'  Jesus warned against 'vain repetitions.'  How is Clement a REAL pope if he doesn't even believe that the words spoken by the Apostle to Rome is speaking truth?

Something that I believe is that he knew of the demise of Simon Magus around the same time as Paul (crucified in Rome) and chose to deny Paul and defer to Simon Magus.  After all, the schooling in Alexandra wasn't for nothing.  He knew Paul had a certain power.  Clement wanted power.  As much of it as he could get.  That's why he made the previous names of the supposed 'popes' disappear as to ancestry.  They were jewish disciples.  Peter being the 'rock.'  And, having the keys to what?  The KINGDOM.  Does anyone even claim to have the keys to the KINGDOM?  No.  THey have the keys to the Vatican.

PS About Ramses - I don't think he was the Pharoah of the  Exodus.  You did, a while back.  I convinced you otherwise.

[pianistimo]

Simon Magus was into imitation.  Specifically imitation of miracles by magical rites.  Which included, in christian eyes, the art of healing.  Now, in Acts - Paul is able to HEAL with the power of Jesus name.  But, unless you are a true disciples - this has to be faked.  It challenged the power of the popes.  They could not heal.  They could not prophecy.  And, whatever they learned of the 'arts of magic' would not cause their miracles to be more profound than the ones done in Jesus name by the disciples.  Therefore, they were jealous.

[thalbergmad]

The above is garbled and has no point.

If you want people to read your posts, you will need them to be shorter and to actually make some kind of sense.

Thal

[pianistimo]

Worshipping Jesus Christ is simple.  Just believe.  Don't chant.  Don't go around looking for something extraordinary because Jesus doesn't need bleeding or weeping Mary's.  You know - the simplist thing is the gospel that Jesus brought.  And, He also healed the sick, cast out demons (and the true disciples did also), and fed the poor.  His feeding included physical food and spiritual food.  After they were fed, they had a sense of having participated in 'LIFE' - that He is the 'life and the way.'  They didn't have any sense of leftover guilt.  Nobody petitioned him to take away sin - but He would say 'you are healed - forsake sin.'  Yet He came to take away 'the sins of the world.'  Nobody recognized what He was here for until he was ressurrected.

[thalbergmad]

Now, in Acts - Paul is able to HEAL with the power of Jesus name.  But, unless you are a true disciples - this has to be faked. 

There is possibly more fake than reality in your little book.

Thal

[pianistimo]

Prove it.

[thalbergmad]

Worshipping Jesus Christ is simple.  Just believe.  Don't chant.  Don't go around looking for something extraordinary because Jesus doesn't need bleeding or weeping Mary's.

You insult a billion people with this filth.

Have some respect for other people and their beliefs

Worshipping Jesus would have to be simple, as you could not do it if it were not.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Prove it.

The onus is on you to prove it.

I am the non believer.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Nobody recognized what He was here for until he was ressurrected.

There are still some that to this day that do not know what he was here for.

You do not know his words or what exactly happened.

You have and will always have absolutely nothing.

Thal

[argerichfan]

If you want people to read your posts, you will need them to be shorter and to actually make some kind of sense.

Thal, my good mate, all you do is feed the troll.  Or perhaps that's your fancy.  Whatever, you just encourage this masturbatory idiot to keep posting here... stop please, it is not worth your time, you deserve better.

I think you're one cool bloke, and you have made wonderful contributions on the 'other' forum... I always look forward to reading your posts there.  Of all the forums I'm on, this thread 'i have returned from pf gitmo' really takes the piss for sheer waste.  The signal to noise ratio is unmeasurable.  Get a good life Thal, it's not worth bothering, tell me more about Henri Herz, okay?  

[thalbergmad]

Thank you old chap, that is very wise advice that i will do my upmost to follow.

I have not scanned a bloody score all day arguing with this obnoxious creature.

Thal

[pianistimo]

Say, about communism.  HAve you ever read about the Dominicans - esp. the 'black friars.'  They espoused very simple living and yet were in charge of the Inquisition so that heresies could be deposed.  The Abigensians and later Waldensians were obviously not communistic enough.  Here's a little about the Domenicans _ which arose from the friar Domenic:
https://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/dominic.htm

Interestingly they insisted upon absolute poverty.  You know Jesus Christ had been a carpenter's son and at least had a trade.  THese people go around telling other people how to be religious and consider it a job.  (i can hear your comeback already Thal)

The Carmelite Nuns or Carmelites are the 'white friars.'  Some of them go without shoes to prove that they are poverty stricken.  They supposedly take the name from the area of Israel (Carmel) where Elijah and the prophets of baal had their discourse.  https://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/carmelit.htm  They were entrused with the duties of Sacred Congregation of Propaganda (that's actually what it was called).

[gyzzzmo]

Prove it.

Jesus was gay and banged little boys, after he slit their throat.

Prove it to me that this is not right.

Gyzzzmo

[pianistimo]

Which Jesus are we talking about?  Jesus is a popular name among some tribes and peoples.  However, Jesus Christ is said to heal the sick, prayed for the world, often went without food as an example of service and humility to the will of G-d.  He resisted the Devil and the devil fled from him - just as you will be forced to flee from the presence of G-d when He returns.

[gyzzzmo]

Which Jesus are we talking about?  Jesus is a popular name among some tribes and peoples.  However, Jesus Christ is said to heal the sick, prayed for the world, often went without food as an example of service and humility to the will of G-d.  He resisted the Devil and the devil fled from him - just as you will be forced to flee from the presence of G-d when He returns.

I mean the lunatic that lived 2000 years who claimed to be Gods son, and who raped dead little children.
Proof me this is wrong.

Gyzzzmo

[thalbergmad]

Jesus Christ is said to heal the sick, prayed for the world

"said" being the operative word that i am amazed you used.

You have no proof only wishful thinking.

Thal

[gyzzzmo]

"said" being the operative word that i am amazed you used.

You have no proof only wishful thinking.

Thal

Thats why i hereby claim that that same Jesus was a little dead boy raper. Pianistimo only has to proof me wrong

Gyzzzmo

[thalbergmad]

it does seem that there is in my Country an inordinate amount of pervs and kiddy fiddlers amongst the clergy. Barely a week passes without another vicar being caught downloading child porn or checking to see if the choirboys bollox have dropped.

Must be something to do with the profession that makes them like this.

Perhaps our very own pedoistimo is one as well. Definately warped enough after all her "conversations" with God.

Thal

[gyzzzmo]

it does seem that there is in my Country an inordinate amount of pervs and kiddy fiddlers amongst the clergy. Barely a week passes without another vicar being caught downloading child porn or checking to see if the choirboys bollox have dropped.

Must be something to do with the profession that makes them like this.

Perhaps our very own pedoistimo is one as well. Definately warped enough after all her "conversations" with God.

Thal

This must be the proof that Jesus himself was a child raper, His holy pervertness has reign down over his followers.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Prove it.

Pianistimo's shortest ever post?

[pianistimo]

Each to his own opinions.  I would say the example of a person is the life they lead.  Only G-d judges impartially and fairly.  How can you know anything about me except what I say - and i have never spoken of pedophilia.  You have, multiple times.  Why is it so interesting to you.  Have you had a bad experience with the clergy?

And, if so - what church was it?  Why don't you open up and share the details.  That way the perpetrators go to jail.  Or are you keeping an indulgence over it?

Gyzzmo, you have some real issues with G-d.  Apparently, you assume that the entire US military is perverted.  There may be two or three people (and btw, they were tried and coutrmarshalled) - that did some very wrong things...and also at gitmo the same - but, on the whole...most were giving out treats to the children when Saddam Hussein was overruled and really did their best to improve the infrastructure of Iraq.  The terrorists kept going around and undoing whatever they could as fast as they could. 

Democracy, as it is for us, is simply  our way of governance.  But, the middle east has been around for millenia so to share a form or way of life that is supposedly more civilized cannot be possibly thought to be gained in a day.  And, for what purpose?  Personally, I find much value in ancient cultures and was devasted when the fighting started happening around some mosques, art centers, and historical/archeological sites.  People that want peace don't act happy when others are hurting.  In fact, in our neighborhood i was one of the few people that waved at a woman here that went around the neighborhood walking who was from Iraq.  She was not an enemy to me and I don't fear people generally.  However, I think many feared Saddam.

[mad_max2024]

Must be something to do with the profession that makes them like this.

I would say it's probably the whole "sex is evil" attitude and the negation of natural animal instincts that makes them repressed.

It's like placing a plug in a boiler. You build up steam and someday when the pressure is critical either the steam finds a way out or the whole thing blows up.

[pianistimo]

What about the children?  I mean - is this right that people should take out animal instincts on children?  Underage as young as 2 and 3?  Here in the US there is a big trial about a young child that was killed.  We may never know what exactly happened to her - but you can guess when people get perverted, they want to cover the evidence.  How many children have died because of this.  It's perversion and wrong use of sex - not sex itself the problem.

[cmg]

I would say it's probably the whole "sex is evil" attitude and the negation of natural animal instincts that makes them repressed.

It's like placing a plug in a boiler. You build up steam and someday when the pressure is critical either the steam finds a way out or the whole thing blows up.

"Sexual repression?"  In this culture?  You can't find a product advertised anywhere that doesn't use sex or sexual innuendo to grab our attention.  Pornography is easily available to anyone on the internet.  Even the clergy.  Teenagers in Western countries, according to a recent study, have no "dating skills," because now they "hook up" for quick sexual encounters before they even know one another.  The Sexual Revolution began in the 1960s and reached its zenith in the 1970s.  Believe me, if anyone's sexually repressed out there it reflects a deeper psychological problem than mere cultural taboos.

Perverts "act out."  Their behavior is more often about re-enacting their own childhood abuse than responding to "repression."  Sexual abuse of children has a long and ignoble history -- and it is not something as simple as a response to cultural repression. 

[mad_max2024]

Sexual repression is not a matter of easy access to pornography. It is a matter of wether you accept that urge as being natural and acceptable or not.

The catholic church fanatically condemns that behavior which leads the most avid believers to deny, supress or feel guilty or unnatural by having it. That leads them to become repressed, regardless of how much pornography and sexual innuendos they have available to them.
It is an inner struggle in an individual.

Of course nothing is as simple as to be explained by just this thing or that.
But I believe it is a factor in the case of the "perverted vicars" mentioned by Thal.

[cmg]

I agree, max, it's definitely a factor, but, I think, markedly less so than it was 100 years ago and more.  Information is a powerful influence on attitudes.  Almost equal to the Church's hysteria on this topic.

[thalbergmad]

How can you know anything about me except what I say - and i have never spoken of pedophilia.  You have, multiple times.  Why is it so interesting to you.  Have you had a bad experience with the clergy?

Well, because you say so much and never shut up, we can learn a lot about you.

I do have a question for you, to which i would like a ONE WORD answer and not pages of ejecta.

Q. If in one of your conversations with God, he told you your children were evil and had to die, would you kill them??

Thal

[gyzzzmo]

Gyzzmo, you have some real issues with G-d.  Apparently, you assume that the entire US military is perverted.  There may be two or three people (and btw, they were tried and coutrmarshalled) - that did some very wrong things...and also at gitmo the same - but, on the whole...most were giving out treats to the children when Saddam Hussein was overruled and really did their best to improve the infrastructure of Iraq.  The terrorists kept going around and undoing whatever they could as fast as they could. 

Democracy, as it is for us, is simply  our way of governance.  But, the middle east has been around for millenia so to share a form or way of life that is supposedly more civilized cannot be possibly thought to be gained in a day.  And, for what purpose?  Personally, I find much value in ancient cultures and was devasted when the fighting started happening around some mosques, art centers, and historical/archeological sites.  People that want peace don't act happy when others are hurting.  In fact, in our neighborhood i was one of the few people that waved at a woman here that went around the neighborhood walking who was from Iraq.  She was not an enemy to me and I don't fear people generally.  However, I think many feared Saddam.

I have no issues with a (probably non existant-) god, i only have a problem with your way of reasoning. With my 'Jesus was a child raper-reply' i wanted to show you that its not us who has to proof that something you believe did NOT happen, it is for you that you have to proof that it DID happen (wich you cant ofcourse, else you didnt have to 'belief' it).
By the way it has nothing to do with the military of the US, you made that up yourself (wich you do alot).

It is funny though to read in your reply that you only care about historical buildings and other cultural ITEMS. Arent you as a (silly) Christian supposed to love all people? It seems that you dont see, or give a sh*t, that alot of innocent people are getting killed because of the US attack (way more than 9/11).

[G.W.K]

Pianistimo's shortest ever post?

That's what I thought!

G.W.K

[timothy42b]

"Sexual repression?"  In this culture?  You can't find a product advertised anywhere that doesn't use sex or sexual innuendo to grab our attention.  Pornography is easily available to anyone on the internet. 

I think I have a convincing counterargument.

Superbowl.  Accidental 2 second view of one breast, female.  Fine of one half million dollars, US. 

I rest my case. 

[thalbergmad]

Interesting, i wonder if the clip has made it onto youtube.

Thal

[morningstar]

Interesting, i wonder if the clip has made it onto youtube.

Thal

No doubt it did. There is so much on there nowadays.

[G.W.K]

There is so much on there nowadays.

And the majority of it is crap.

G.W.K