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Offline matt_black

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Help The World Share Your Secrets
on: August 06, 2004, 01:01:44 PM
I would greatly appreciate it if as many people as possible could help me. I have found that there are not many books/resources available that teach tricks, methods, runs  etc..general tricks of the trade for professional/amateur pianist/keyboard player. One can easily end up purchasing a book to find that there are about two really usefull pages and a lot of useless narrative accompanying it, meaning that a fortune can be spent collecting an entire library of books with one usefull thing in each.

I undertand why books are like this and why the information is so hard toget hold of - people writing books want to make a living out of it and teachers would rather pass on their knowledge for an hourly rate then supply it for free.

My mission is to gather lots of information and publish for free on the internet a 'No Bulls***t Guide' to tricks/methods/runs/ etc..for people that already play at an intermediate level and want to know how to get very good through their own hard work and practice without having to pay teachers a fortune [who slow down progress] or search for some kind of Holy grail through thousands of books.

I expect some people may leave negative feedback and rubbish my plans because of their own self interest but for those people like me who just love music and want to share with others knowledge without pages of narrative or thousands of pounds in lessons then please contribute.

Here is an example of the level of detail that I would apply to a particular trick:

Example this is a tip I have got from someone just through conversation in pub:

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The Jacobson Tremolo Run - supplied by a good friend Chris Jacobson After Conversation in the Pub

If you have a run that involves a difficult Chord to Run Up the Piano with [or you just want to make a good effect without haveing to be 100% accurate] then this is a good run to use.
Example using C7 chord
1. The left hand plays the chord below middle C and tremolo it play C-E-G-Bflat
2. The right hand starts at middle C and runs up the first 4 notes C-E-G-Bflat and then stays on these note tremolo in them
3. Then tight hand repeats for the next octave [i.e. run up C-E-G-Bflat one octave higher then tremolo it]
4. Repeat as many octaves up as you want.

Notes: Hold damper pedal throughout this run
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If people could provide brief descriptions [and any MP3, midi, wav files would be a bonus] such as this for any run/trick/tip anything that is usefull really then I will collect together and publish free on my Website

A collection of things like this would be very valuable to a lot of people - whatever name you leave will be published in the guide and attempt to give the skill you provide a name that reflects who you are - so who knows you may end up with a particular trick or run named after you [unofficially of course but a  name used in piano bars round the world]

Pleae contribute and leave contact details when I have set up the site I will let you know where it is. Also if you leave a very brief history of where or who taught you your tip then I will include this in the details.

Email me your contributions to mattblack9000@yahoo.co.uk or post on the board for all to see [no secrets here] or both

Thanks in advance for all who contribute

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #1 on: August 06, 2004, 01:24:02 PM
Sorry, Matt, but:
most people here on the board also love music very much; but they are more serious about it than you, e.g. they are willing to spend money for lessons, and they aren't interested in primitive tricks like your "run".

That doesn't mean that anyone is looking down onto amateurs! In fact, there are many "serious amateurs" here on the board.

To be a good amateur means to play real music, to listen carefully, wanting to know about real music, not about tricks.

A bad amateur just has some tricks stored in his finger memory and does the musical equivalent of "painting by numbers".

If you just want tricks like "Hey, press this and this key and the sustain pedal, that's cool!", then you better talk to those keyboard players who have a $199 Casio keyboard with illuminated keys and play Bach's "Air" with just their right hand and automatic soft-rock accompaniment (and think they're hip) ;D

Best Wishes,
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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #2 on: August 06, 2004, 01:32:47 PM
never heard so much bull**** in my life.

Music is for all to enjoy whatever level and the so called tricks you accuse me of - well what is the difference between scales and arpegs that poeple do in graded piano exams and runs and tricks - read any history books and most of the great pianists learnt from tlking to other pianisys and getting ideas. I am not saying you only use tricks but if you add them to your current method lf learning whatever that may be then it can only make you better not worse.

I did not say that I just wanted tricks I invited people to add any hints that are usefull - I challenege you to name just one usefull thing to share with other pianists - you must have something to say that you think wil improve people playing.

I find you patronizing and blinkered or you are a piano teacher who feels threatened by the act that some of us do not need teachers to progress - I amnot saying I would not progress better with a teaher but I am happy to teach myself

1. Why shouldn' I
2. I am serious about my playing

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #3 on: August 06, 2004, 01:33:24 PM
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I have found that there are not many books/resources available that teach tricks, methods, runs  etc..general tricks of the trade for professional/amateur pianist/keyboard player.


Are you serious?

There are TONS of books out there that teach technical tricks, methods, and everything the professional or amateur could ever seek.  Of course, not every trick will work for every person.  And there is no one book that contains every good trick known to man.

There is no all-encompassing piano bible, if that's what you're seeking.  The pianist must simply read the best books, and take what is good, and discard what is bad.

If you were to create such a book, you'd have to narrow the focus.  Is it meant for classical or jazz or pop?  Is it for technique or musical expression or for impressive looks?  Is it dedicated to helping the professional?  The serious amateur?  The unserious amateur who is too lazy to read books and too cheap to hire a teacher?  Because without such a focus, if you tried to create a book with every conceivable trick for every possible purpose... well, the problem with this plan should be fairly obvious.

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #4 on: August 06, 2004, 01:36:48 PM
there are tons of books but if you read what i am saying then you will note that most of them have 100 crap words for every usefull one


I am not targeting any specific area I am just asking for a dictionary of tips etc - it can grow and progress however...it is very simple...

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #5 on: August 06, 2004, 01:44:06 PM
And monk [i assume short for monkey!] why do you presume that I just produce music by numbers  not real music - I do not know how good you are or are not - I do not particulalry care - I know that I do not own a casio $199 I am British and own several thousand pounds worth of keyboards and a Yamaha Grand and I can play the bast**ds

The Beatles were not 'Professional Musicians' [follow the grades for 10 years and then make a crap living] - but they learnt as they went along.

The Beatles all took a Bus Journey one day for mile just so that someone could show them a 7th chord on the guitar - John Lennon said it all started there

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #6 on: August 06, 2004, 01:59:44 PM
Matt, if you regard your "Jacobson tremolo run" a great tip, then I KNOW that you are not a good player.
This tip is great for little beginners who just had some lessons and now want to impress their friends in school who don't play an instrument.

I like it that you have fun with music! That's great!

But having so much expensive equipment and, at the same time, not being willing to spend some money for lessons or books - that's simply strange.

Best Wishes,
Monk

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #7 on: August 06, 2004, 02:01:05 PM
Saturn i quote:

The unserious amateur who is too lazy to read books and too cheap to hire a teacher


Teachers are expensive and not everyone can afford them - do you really thing music shouls be limited to the rich?

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #8 on: August 06, 2004, 02:08:07 PM
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Saturn i quote:

The unserious amateur who is too lazy to read books and too cheap to hire a teacher


Teachers are expensive and not everyone can afford them - do you really thing music shouls be limited to the rich?


I know not everyone can afford them.  For part of my life, I couldn't afford a good teacher.  So what?

I don't recall ever saying that music should be limited to the rich, or even mentioning those who cannot afford a teacher in my original statement.  Read it again.

In fact, re-read my entire reply.  You seem to have missed the part where I said that your book NEEDS a focus because creating a general "dictionary of tips" for every possible situation and student would be impractical.

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #9 on: August 06, 2004, 02:11:43 PM
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Teachers are expensive and not everyone can afford them - do you really thing music shouls be limited to the rich?


Everyone who can once in a while afford to go to a restaurant, to go to a concert or theater or football match, who can afford to have a mobile phone or cable TV HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO ONCE IN A WHILE AFFORD A TEACHER. Period.

I have heard similar bulls**t from music students who said that certain concerts are too expensive for them. At the same time they're sitting in the cafe every day and spending much money for food and cappuccinos.

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Monk

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #10 on: August 06, 2004, 02:18:29 PM
Nothing wrong with it...

Fast Octaves

1.  Use the forearm to bounce to wrist up and down.  The action feels a little bit like bouncing a ball up and down

Excercise for gaining speed in trills using 4-5

1.  hold down 123
2 Trill 4-5 on:

I black 1 white
1 white 1 black
2 white
2 black

3 hands effect

use thumbs for melody,  2-5 for everything else

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #11 on: August 06, 2004, 03:25:15 PM
thankyou very mich newsgroupeuan you are a gentleman

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #12 on: August 06, 2004, 04:08:01 PM
monkey

you say I quote:
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'Everyone who can once in a while afford to go to a restaurant, to go to a concert or theatre or football match, who can afford to have a mobile phone or cable TV HAS ENOUGH MONEY TO ONCE IN A WHILE AFFORD A TEACHER. Period. '
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[a period is something a women has once a month]

Wake up to reality maybe most people in your Country can afford to eat out in a restaurant once in a while or go to a so called 'football' match [you don't even use your feet try soccer] but I imagine that there are people in your Country and certainly in the Western World who can not afford to eat out or go to sporting events [sporting events used to be cheap but these days the price is a lot]

Monkey Boy - you are excluding a large percentage of the World Population who do not have basic telephones and have never seen cable. I have had the great pleasure of working with people from India who had to agree to call home from the UK at a certain exact time as their parents had agreed with the only family on their street who could afford telephone so they could go to their house to answer the phone and speak to their son. Publishing on the Web means WORLD WIDE web not Rich Countries only - and before you harp on about they can not afford to get on the Web - many poor countries have governmnet institutions and libraries where very poor people can get info from the Internet!!!

Do you think great pioneers [poor Black Americans from YOUR Country] of early Jazz, Blues, Boogie Woogie, Rag such as Pinetop, Albert Ammons, Jimmy Yancey, Meade Lux Lewis, and Pete Johnson, Scott Joplin, Jelly Roll Morton, Duke Ellington, Fats Waller could affor d to eat out when they learnt piano? No they were more worried about wher the next meal was coming from not where they can afford to eat it!!! -these people passed on their tricks and tips etc in the sleazy bars, brothels of towns such as Chicago - are you disregarding a whole genre Jazz etc... as rubbish [playing by numbers] -  playing direct from a music score is more like playing by numbers !! [not that there is anything wrong with music scores they are one of the many mediums by which Composers through the years have passed on their music tips and tricks. 'A tril'l this is a trick used in many of what you call 'SERIOUS' compositions [I think you mean classical when you say serious]  Fantasie impromptu are these runs tricks - call it want you want scale, arpegio, trick, run - it is just a series of notes!!!

I suggest you go to Africa [Sudan or somewhere and teach the locals how to play piano - your life will be so much more meaningfull and worthwhile!] you could bring joy to thousands who do not enjoy your lifestyle - and they wont give a MONKEYS monkey boy how you dress it all up!!

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #13 on: August 06, 2004, 04:25:42 PM
Yeah, Robin Hood! Of course you're completely right!  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #14 on: August 06, 2004, 04:29:21 PM
monkey

i have been to the states numerous times and love it - the people are nice, friendly etc.....I often wonder then why people outside the States have a thing about 'The Bloody Yanks'  

well I know it is people with insular attitudes like yours that give it a bad name - really i am not having a go here I am serious

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #15 on: August 06, 2004, 05:12:01 PM
I run into this all the time with self-taught illiterate (non-music reading) pop musicians all the time. The problem with many "tricks" is they don't work in every instance. They wonder why my finger work sounds so much smoother. I try to be encouraging, but the truth is there is no substitute for learning the hard way; years of lessons (preferably classical) and practice. To better musicians, tricks just sound cheap, and don't fool anyone.

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #16 on: August 06, 2004, 05:32:52 PM
True.

Tricks are only things to do when you have spare time.  But one can learn from all things,  good or bad.

There is no secret to good playing - only practice

The best thing to do if you have no teacher is improvise a lot.  

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #17 on: August 06, 2004, 05:38:53 PM
JR11

I can read music and I play by ear - for Classical music I would not attempt to play by ear, but for other genres such as Jazz, blues, Boogie Woogie, Pop I would play by ear - I can not understand what all the snobery is about - I can only assume that it pisses you off after years of practice when someone who has not put as much time in can entertain an audience beter than you.

Well a number of things really
1. You can be exceptional and I take my hat off to people who have the time and dedication] but bottom line is majority of people would rather hear a popular tune than a technically difficult one. [i actally enjopy it and can apprecitate the efforts behind it
2. Music is about entertaining people which means playing tunes they like and having some charisma - I guess it is difficult to have charisma and practice 8 hours a day so it rare to have both
3. you have to be realistic about why you are playing and I have a job that demands a lot of hours and a lot of travel therefore I am never going to have the time to become a concert pianist [and I do not really want to be] but I like to be fairly good and enjoy  what I do - therefore I still read music and play some classics but i spend a lot of time improvising without music blues, Boogie etc - I have to do this because i play in bars with other musicians and etc..  
4. I also play popular music in bands Rock, pop etc - i do no see that this makes me inferior to you in any way shape or form it is a different style that is all and this genre of music gets you loads more Birds....
5. You can be creative with any amount of ability - the most cash to be made in music is in publishing popular tunes or setting up a studio and doing jingles

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #18 on: August 06, 2004, 05:48:31 PM
I can appreciate why there is such a strong feeling.....

There you are playing a really sophisticated technical piece note perfect and some good looking young wise arse like me comes along and knocks out 'Every Thing I do I do For You' by Brian Adams - next minute the crowd of birds [girls] sat near by declare me a genius and  off I go for an orgy......

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #19 on: August 06, 2004, 05:55:26 PM
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I can only assume that it pisses you off after years of practice when someone who has not put as much time in can entertain an audience beter than you.


Entertaining an uneducated audience is very easy. Just bang around very fast & loud, make many glissandos, contort your face, make stage antics.

But that is not what most people here are interested in.

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but bottom line is majority of people would rather hear a popular tune than a technically difficult one.


What "most people" enjoy doesn't interest me.
Most people watch dumb television talk shows, listen to dumb techno or rap, vote for dumb presidents.

And it's not about "technical difficulty", it's about musical content. And that's weak in most pop songs.

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I guess it is difficult to have charisma and practice 8 hours a day


*ROTFL* *LMAO* Where did you get this wisdom? From some lazy rock musician for whom being cool and getting chicks is most important? ;D
Too bad Horowitz, Gould, Hancock or Coltrane are not around and show you something about charisma!

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and this genre of music gets you loads more Birds....
5. You can be creative with any amount of ability - the most cash to be made in music is in publishing popular tunes or setting up a studio and doing jingles


Of course!
But most people here on board play music NOT because they want to "get birds" or want to get cash!

What you said is true - but it is equally true that mostly the most trivial, boring, showy, unhonest sh*t gets the most money. And the drummer who totally unmusically bangs around in his solo and jumps and makes silly faces gets always more applause than the pianist who plays really moving, heartfelt music. So what?

Best Wishes,
Monk

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #20 on: August 06, 2004, 06:05:20 PM
oh dear poor monkey not interested in girls or money....'so what' you ask - so nothing to me but it obviously really pisses you off otherwise you would not be gobbing off about it all the time

and you are a bit of a nerdy drop out by the sounds of it
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What "most people" enjoy doesn't interest me.

sounds like you need to mix with people more and stop being so elitist!!

You would be surprised how much knowledge the 'low life' majority of the population actually do have -

I can imagine you sat around in some girly bar with your girly mates harping on about how ignorant the proletarians are........

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #21 on: August 06, 2004, 06:45:58 PM
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Excercise for gaining speed in trills using 4-5

1.  hold down 123
2 Trill 4-5 on:

I black 1 white
1 white 1 black
2 white
2 black


matt_blank wrote:
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thankyou very mich newsgroupeuan you are a gentleman


Good luck with your collection of tricks! If you include the one above, you'll make a lot of doctors rich!

A collection of tricks, or techniques, or whatever you want to call them, is great, but it still requires somebody who can in fact distinguish the BS from the substance. This is your goal isn't it?

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #22 on: August 06, 2004, 06:49:08 PM
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I can only assume that it pisses you off after years of practice when someone who has not put as much time in can entertain an audience beter than you.


You know what?

You're absolutely right.  The reason everyone's being such a snob is because they're jealous of you, a person who goes on a piano forum and asks for general tricks so that he can compile a "dictionary of tips".  I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that you're a dumbass.

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There you are playing a really sophisticated technical piece note perfect and some good looking young wise arse like me comes along and knocks out 'Every Thing I do I do For You' by Brian Adams - next minute the crowd of birds [girls] sat near by declare me a genius and  off I go for an orgy......  


Haha!  Whore.

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #23 on: August 07, 2004, 12:30:22 AM
matt_black, I'll put it bluntly unlike these others here. You're a blind idiot.

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #24 on: August 07, 2004, 12:26:36 PM
DARKWIND [i assume your name refers to your flatulance]

I have enjoyed the arguments on here there has been plenty of tongue in cheek humour and some reasonable arguments put forward

Your reply however was just a complete waste of space.

If you want to just insult me then dont wate everyine elses time on here - email me direct matt_black9000@yahoo.co.uk with your details and we can arrange to meet up and discuss it.

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #25 on: August 07, 2004, 05:12:23 PM
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JR11

I can read music and I play by ear - for Classical music I would not attempt to play by ear, but for other genres such as Jazz, blues, Boogie Woogie, Pop I would play by ear - I can not understand what all the snobery is about - I can only assume that it pisses you off after years of practice when someone who has not put as much time in can entertain an audience beter than you.

Well a number of things really
1. You can be exceptional and I take my hat off to people who have the time and dedication] but bottom line is majority of people would rather hear a popular tune than a technically difficult one. [i actally enjopy it and can apprecitate the efforts behind it
2. Music is about entertaining people which means playing tunes they like and having some charisma - I guess it is difficult to have charisma and practice 8 hours a day so it rare to have both
3. you have to be realistic about why you are playing and I have a job that demands a lot of hours and a lot of travel therefore I am never going to have the time to become a concert pianist [and I do not really want to be] but I like to be fairly good and enjoy  what I do - therefore I still read music and play some classics but i spend a lot of time improvising without music blues, Boogie etc - I have to do this because i play in bars with other musicians and etc..  
4. I also play popular music in bands Rock, pop etc - i do no see that this makes me inferior to you in any way shape or form it is a different style that is all and this genre of music gets you loads more Birds....
5. You can be creative with any amount of ability - the most cash to be made in music is in publishing popular tunes or setting up a studio and doing jingles



No snobery here, in fact I agree with you on everything you've said above, save for the crack about 8hrs practice and charisma... dedicated classical musicians work very hard, so give them their due. I do not have a day job, and am one of those rare people that actually irks out a living from small-room performance, recording, and giving lessons.

It is true that most audiences you perform for are kicked-in-the-head-stupid, but they are lucrative because they can be sold lots of booze, which makes 'em stupider! With literally hundreds of songs in my repetoire, perfection for everything is simply not practical.

Recording is another matter. Anything short of perfection comes glaring through. Sponsors paying studio time have no patience for re-takes, and "fixing it in the mix" always presents a sub-standard product to doing it right in the first place. Frankly, I do not want my work that I know is less than my best on the airwaves, even if it's just an ad. That ad is also part of my resume.

I have been taking classical lessons and harmony for the last year, after a hiatus of more than twenty years. My musicianship has improved vastly, particularly with respect to left hand melodies (rather than just bass), general fingering, and improv through better understanding of chord harmony.

I often show other musicians little tricks. Nothing difficult, but showy. Once they are suitably impressed, I hand them my card and tell them I am available for lessons. Oldest trick in the book.


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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #26 on: August 07, 2004, 11:48:04 PM
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DARKWIND [i assume your name refers to your flatulance]

I have enjoyed the arguments on here there has been plenty of tongue in cheek humour and some reasonable arguments put forward

Your reply however was just a complete waste of space.

If you want to just insult me then dont wate everyine elses time on here - email me direct matt_black9000@yahoo.co.uk with your details and we can arrange to meet up and discuss it.


Oh haha, The Dark Wind referring to my flatulence. You surely must be a genius, because only geniuses can come up with such great humor! Listen, that is definetely the most childish remark i have ever heard on this forum. However, my reply was blunt. You are an idiot, and it is true. I don't think you've seen any other thread except this one. Don't you realize what kind of people you are trying to talk to? It would be the same for me to just go to some rap forum and ask if anyone there knew who Busoni was. I don't even think you do. All you are doing are cheap parlor tricks that only "amaze" other simpletons such as yourself. We decided that your little trick wasn't worthwhile, and we told you such. You refuse to accept that fact, which shows how much of a child you are. And now you have to result to cheap comments that are the least bit degrading in any way. Tell me, what are you truly trying to accomplish? No one agrees with you, get off this forum now before things get messy. Oh wait, they already have.

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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #27 on: August 08, 2004, 11:17:31 AM
hahahaha orgys? ;D
well u know what,
u can be playing "really sophisticated technical piece note perfect"
and also knock out 'Every Thing I do I do For You' by Brian Adams....because no offense to anyone, but i sure think the brian adams song is much easier and therefore it will get u loads of "birds" (where did that come from...i prefer to use chicks) and also, usually u can just listen to pop and then learn it by ear...

dude i like rock and pop and rap and everything...but i like classical a lot too.

see im in school, ok?
i play rachmaninoff's elegie for the school recital on wednesday night (not the hardest piece, i admit, but so what)
next morning, i play britney spears' "toxic" during english...gets me in trouble...but oh well
there u go!
answer to the bird or piano problem
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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #28 on: August 08, 2004, 12:18:04 PM
Could it be.......????

Kulahona = JS Bach = Matt Black???? Hmmmm....

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D




(sorry, couldn't resist...okay now I'll :-X)!

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Reply #29 on: August 08, 2004, 02:53:43 PM
ok 3 things

1) calling monk 'monkey boy' is probably the most immature thing i've read in this forum and thus i cannot take you seriously

2) i believe that there is more to music than simply 'entertaining' people- if i believed that then i would go and play some pop sh*t. and if the main population of people prefer some popular tune than something technically difficult then good for them and i doubt that most of the people care about that cos if that's all they care about and are gonna be ignorant of what 'technically diffcult' music has to offer then it's not worth playing to them anyway.

3)'monkey

i have been to the states numerous times and love it - the people are nice, friendly etc.....I often wonder then why people outside the States have a thing about 'The Bloody Yanks'  

well I know it is people with insular attitudes like yours that give it a bad name - really i am not having a go here I am serious '

can we keep the racist comments out of this forum please? there are morons in every country so don't limit to the US (btw i'm not from america so am not really defending then from a patriotic view)
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Re: Help The World Share Your Secrets
Reply #30 on: August 08, 2004, 03:13:40 PM
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Could it be.......????

Kulahona = JS Bach = Matt Black???? Hmmmm....


Let's take this a step further..

Kulahola = JS Bach = Matt Black = .. Bernhard !!

I'll bet Bernhard got tired of answering everyone's questions so he made some fake accounts and decided to have some fun!

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Reply #31 on: August 09, 2004, 11:26:58 AM
I knew it, Saturn!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D


hehe
(...and only Bernhard could pull something like that off!)


S ;)

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Reply #32 on: August 09, 2004, 02:22:08 PM
Very Nice!!

  You all produced very good arguments, but I don't think it is fair to call someone names or swear to them just because they have a difference of opinion. We are here to talk about music - a thing that can bring the poorest people in the third world countries together with the richest musicians in the world.

   Evgeny Kissin contorts his face... are you saying he's a bad pianist?

We are all grown up now (not being patronising) can we all please start acting like them by giving people there own opinions.

Music is a language "spoken" by the richest or the poorest.... AGREED?
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Reply #33 on: August 09, 2004, 06:10:09 PM
Yes, this is a very grave situation. It seems that with all this trouble Bernhard is causing, he'll have to follow Comme_le_Vent's example and get banned.

It is a sad day for the piano forum indeed...

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Reply #34 on: August 09, 2004, 11:35:53 PM
Wait thats what happened to Comme_le_vent? He got banned? Ah that sucks it would be interesting to see what he would have to say to this matt black character.

I really enjoyed disputing or just reading whatever Comme had to say.  Someone start a thread/petition to un-ban le vent......unless, just what was it that got him banned?? How contraversial was it?

and to add my input to this thread, matt-black, i play piano for friends and as much as they love hearing theme to "Cheers" (they are very heavy drinkers who sing along very loudly and surprisingly on pitch  :o  but at  the end of the day, its just pointless virtuosisty which "impresses birds" the most. i.e.  play cheers like a rhapsody add a trill while playing the melody to hte verse with the same hand, and spread the left hand accompaniment out a la un sosprio or consolation or something......incoroporate LIsztian technique into the pop songs ur friends love and its win win.

I hate pop music though. I especially hate everything i do i do it for you.  And no matter what you (matt black) say the fact is, you enjoy banging out Everything I do I do it for you and that tells me more  than any of your random arguements. You are a douche.

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Reply #35 on: August 10, 2004, 02:45:52 PM
I didnt actualy say i loved everything i do I do for you - although its an ok pop song - I was just using as a typical example to wind up the people  who were getting all upset and superior about themselves - seemed to think that they were from a superior breed of human being and 'darkwind' [I would love to know the real reason behind calling himself that - some satanic fantasy probably (and even called me childish for suggesting it had something to do with flatulance ever heard of irony?)]  even asked me if I knew what kind of people I was dealing with!! may as well have said  'DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!'

- in actual fact I do not limit my tastes to one particular genre of music or another - I love all music from crappy tunefull pop songs, to punk rock heavy metal, classical, folk,blues, boogie , jazz, rap  - they all serve  a purpose depending upon what mood you are in what environment you are in or what altered state of mind you might be in.

A good tune is a good tune whatever genre it is written for and for different reasons - some classical music is fantastic and some crap same with every other kind of music

One thing is for certain - it does not make you a superior kind of person or musician necessarily if you can play the most technically complex classical piece of music - it just makes you better at playing that kind of music that is all!!

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Reply #36 on: August 10, 2004, 02:53:53 PM
tash

you accused me of making a racist comment when i said...

i have been to the states numerous times and love it - the people are nice, friendly etc.....I often wonder then why people outside the States have a thing about 'The Bloody Yanks'

I think you may find that yanks are not from the same genetic stock quite the opposite in fact - you could have tried to accuse me of being xenophobic but you will notice that I was actualy saying how nice the people are

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Reply #37 on: August 10, 2004, 06:52:20 PM
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I didnt actualy say i loved everything i do I do for you - although its an ok pop song - I was just using as a typical example to wind up the people  who were getting all upset and superior about themselves - seemed to think that they were from a superior breed of human being and 'darkwind' [I would love to know the real reason behind calling himself that - some satanic fantasy probably (and even called me childish for suggesting it had something to do with flatulance ever heard of irony?)]  even asked me if I knew what kind of people I was dealing with!! may as well have said  'DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!'


You haven't disproved anything else I have said, and have, in fact, chosen to ignore it. The truth remains, you are being completely ignorant. You do realize that any comments you make about my name, I will take with a grain of salt? I really don't give a damn what you think about my name, and it seems to fuel anger in you. If something so simple as a name can rile you up, I see no reason to even be attempting to talk to someone so childish. And as for the "do you know what kind of people you are talking with" remark, if you even had one brain cell in that thing you call a head, you might have decided to check out a few other forums, to see our opinions on other kinds of music. Most people here don't like rap, and there a few only restrict themselves to classical. You also don't take piano seriously, it's just a hobby for you. For fun, not one bit serious at the least. There are quite a few people who play piano for a living, you know? They worked hard to get where they are, hours of toiling and practicing, trying to get that passage right, thinking of new ways to play a section. You? You couldn't care less about these people, and instead resort to show-offy tricks that no one is really interested in. No one here has agreed with you, as I mentioned before. So just ask someone to close this thread, because the only that's going to end up hurt is yourself. I certainly don't care about such childish remarks about my name, and as for irony, that's not an example of irony. Buy a dictionary. Better yet, just use google! What they actually call it is sarcasm. Have a nice day. :)

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Reply #38 on: August 11, 2004, 02:41:52 PM
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tash

you accused me of making a racist comment when i said...

i have been to the states numerous times and love it - the people are nice, friendly etc.....I often wonder then why people outside the States have a thing about 'The Bloody Yanks'

I think you may find that yanks are not from the same genetic stock quite the opposite in fact - you could have tried to accuse me of being xenophobic but you will notice that I was actualy saying how nice the people are


smeh i don't know what i'm talking about. i'll just stick to thinking you're immature then
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Reply #39 on: August 11, 2004, 06:09:18 PM
close the thread - no way I am having a great time

Ha ha oh really - I am not annoyed by your name I find it very amusing...a grown adult [I assume you are an adult] who chooses to call himself 'DARK WIND' . I would love an explanation of how you came to choose this name (I notice you have decided to keep this a secret from us!!) - it sounds like a 'Comic Book Baddie' or a Boxers nickname-  it certainly does not conjure images of a serious classical musician.

Picture the scene:
'Tonight ladies and gentleman performing one of Mendelssohn's Piano Concertos, it gives me great pleasure to present, the one and only...'DARK WIND' ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and later this evening we have ... 'The Hurricane'........

Thankyou for enlightening me to the fact that some people play piano for a living, I REALLY didn't know that....
I agree  with you - I play piano for fun, I am sorry that I get enjoyment from it and next time I will try to be as miserbale as possible.... but that does not mean that I do not get paid for it - I have a main job but frequently play in Rhythm and Blues bands as well as pop bands, during my student days this was my main source of income.....this also involves practicing but more with other people - we too spend time on arrangment and how to change a passage etc......

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Reply #40 on: August 12, 2004, 05:21:53 AM
stop paying out people's names! who cares what they're called it's just a form of anonymity and if i could've bothered making up a name for myself it probably would've been edible apple or something and wouldn't that be fun to introduce onto the stage WHO CARES like your piano playing it's just fun
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Reply #41 on: August 12, 2004, 05:30:48 AM
I don't mean to get excessively mixed into the fray, but you really should refrain from making fun of the other forum members.

Name calling is not an argument...

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Reply #42 on: August 12, 2004, 07:16:52 AM
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close the thread - no way I am having a great time

Ha ha oh really - I am not annoyed by your name I find it very amusing...a grown adult [I assume you are an adult] who chooses to call himself 'DARK WIND' . I would love an explanation of how you came to choose this name (I notice you have decided to keep this a secret from us!!) - it sounds like a 'Comic Book Baddie' or a Boxers nickname-  it certainly does not conjure images of a serious classical musician.

Picture the scene:
'Tonight ladies and gentleman performing one of Mendelssohn's Piano Concertos, it gives me great pleasure to present, the one and only...'DARK WIND' ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and later this evening we have ... 'The Hurricane'........

Thankyou for enlightening me to the fact that some people play piano for a living, I REALLY didn't know that....
I agree  with you - I play piano for fun, I am sorry that I get enjoyment from it and next time I will try to be as miserbale as possible.... but that does not mean that I do not get paid for it - I have a main job but frequently play in Rhythm and Blues bands as well as pop bands, during my student days this was my main source of income.....this also involves practicing but more with other people - we too spend time on arrangment and how to change a passage etc......


OH HAHAHAHAHAHA you are true genius of comedy, and you take everything so seriously! You still don't pay ANY attention to the rest of my argument. If you really want to know why I chose this name, it's because I like it. Or are you just to blatantly stupid to understand that? You don't take piano seriously, we do. If you keep making fun of my name, the only who will look more stupid by average is of course, you. All you have done throughout this entire thread in regards to me is bash name, which, if anything, proves the point that you are a fool. What is going to be your reply to this? "OH BUT YOUR NAME IS DARK WIND AND IT IS SO FUNNY ROFFLE ROFFLE WAFFLE PANCAKES SYRUP HOUSE LOLOL0L0L0L0L FLATULENCE STUPID!!!!11!!!!1!11!11!one" You continue a trend of idiocy, keep it up, it's kind of entertaining, in a bad way.

PS, I'm 14.

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Reply #43 on: August 12, 2004, 02:03:56 PM
I love Boogie Woogie.  Ok, so I can't play it, but it sounds really sweet.  matt_black, you can play boogie woogie by ear?  Nice...  I've been playing (clasical) piano for over a decade now and I think Boogie Woogie is pretty intense to play.  Good sh1t if you can play it.

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Reply #44 on: August 12, 2004, 02:27:00 PM
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OH HAHAHAHAHAHA you are true genius of comedy, and you take everything so seriously! You still don't pay ANY attention to the rest of my argument. If you really want to know why I chose this name, it's because I like it. Or are you just to blatantly stupid to understand that? You don't take piano seriously, we do. If you keep making fun of my name, the only who will look more stupid by average is of course, you. All you have done throughout this entire thread in regards to me is bash name, which, if anything, proves the point that you are a fool. What is going to be your reply to this? "OH BUT YOUR NAME IS DARK WIND AND IT IS SO FUNNY ROFFLE ROFFLE WAFFLE PANCAKES SYRUP HOUSE LOLOL0L0L0L0L FLATULENCE STUPID!!!!11!!!!1!11!11!one" You continue a trend of idiocy, keep it up, it's kind of entertaining, in a bad way.

PS, I'm 14.


LOL you tell him darkwind!! hahaha beaten by a 14yr old that's classic hahahaha
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Reply #45 on: August 12, 2004, 02:34:28 PM
I love boogie woogie - yes play it by ear - i do not think there ar many places you can get a transcript of the music and even if you can it will not be as the original recording. The best way is to listen to the recordings but even then there is debate about what is actually being played because of the speed combined with the quality of recording.  I started with Boggie Woogie Stomp and Honkey Tonk Train etc..but after you learn a few you end up cereating your own by mixing bits from differnt tunes with differnet bass lines and adding your own bits....I guess that is what the original pioneers of this genre ended up doing at their rent parties ect.....as hey had to play for a long time.....

Earlier this year I was backstage at a  Bill Wyman and his rhythm kings gig  - i spke to Mike Sanchez - fantastic at this kind of music.....

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Reply #46 on: August 12, 2004, 06:25:22 PM
don't pick on 14 year olds matt lol

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Reply #47 on: August 12, 2004, 06:36:16 PM
I think that was a mistype 41 ....14?!?

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Reply #48 on: August 12, 2004, 11:14:48 PM
No, not a typo ;D.

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Reply #49 on: August 13, 2004, 05:29:35 AM
matt_black, are you talking about the Boogie Woogie Stomp by Albert Ammons?  Cuz if you are, then damn!  That's the song that got me hooked on to Boogie Woogie.  I heard it on the movie the Majestic and it sounded really cool.  Anyway, I tried looking for the sheet music for it, but haven't really found anything.  Did you learn that song by ear or by sheet music?  If you learned it by sheet music, where did you buy it?  I think I've been trying to look for it for about... 2 years now?  Haha... sad.
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