Nothing earth-shattering, but I hope it helps.
In order to make it work you have to rotate toward your thumb to get the 2nd finger over to the g#- otherwise you'll just turn your wrist the other way creating a different problem. The other solution is to bring your hand toward the fall board, deep into the black keys as you play the B,E,G#. this would allow your thumb to play the G# without turning your wrist. I found this less comfortable coming back to the next bar though..
I'm really clogging up this thread today..I would argue that if no one has ever shown you the elements of piano technique movement, the information presented in the video re rotation would pretty much qualify as earth shattering.It tends to take you from being the pianist that struggles to speed up, to the pianist that can play like lightning without any major difficulty. You suddenly realize that you can play fast without building up tension in your body.. the challenge becomes accuracy at speed, rather than speed itself.
Sorry for the excessive posts, for some reason my phone is against letting me edit posts.I wanted to say also that I watched birba's videos thismorning and that in the second one where he talks about keeping your RH hand relaxed and the 'oscillation of the wrist' (to use his words in the vid), you can see that he entire entire forearm rotates toward the thumb to hit those accents..this is exactly what I meant by rotating your LH toward the thumb (you can do this without accenting) to get your 2nd finger over.. Its a really important concept that applies to all your playing not just this passage that birba is showing you. I'm reluctant to try and describe it in words because its easy to misinterpret. - so kudos for birba being able to make the video giving a demo.Also, @birba, was curious about the section where you suggest finger driven staccato.. the performance from candlelight is fairly fingery, and every note is individual rather than in phrases and flowing.. my immediate reaction was that this finger driven practice may reinforce that individual note type playing.. do you feel that it teaches the student to move the hand into the different positions? I see you explained the different hand positions.. its certainly awkward to try and play a finger driven staccato note if you hand isnt balanced over the note you intend to play. Also big + for what birba says about practicing to fall back onto the thumb in the run up to the high B after the opening RH phrase.
I completely agree with ajs. I will also try to use his advices on my playing as well!
I've only had two years of piano lessons with two teachers so I don't think I was shown the elements of piano technique movement.
Where is this B E G# you're talking about?
Oh, dear, you've lost me.
I'm also learning a lot this way. Actually, I think I've learned a lot more than I ever did when I had lessons.
Because the best learning is in self discovery.
Hey Choo, I uploaded a video from another piece I'm working, I did some mistakes, but overall the piece is getting along if you want to take a look, its a Mendelssohn
Because the best learning is in self discovery (its the stuff we actually remember and incorporate into our life), and not enough teachers actively guide their students self discovery alongside specific practice regimes.
This sounds phenomenal!
AJ: I needed to ask you a question about the LH phrasing in the fast section of this piece. Should there be a slight lift at the end of each LH phrase? I don't see it when the pros play fast. They seem to connect them all together.
I prefer to avoid the piano street editions, I already found some unforgivable mistakes compared to traditional editions
read these..https://www.pianofundamentals.com/book/en/1.II.9and herehttps://www.pianofundamentals.com/book/en/1.II.11it provides an actual exercise for teaching your hands and fingers to get the motions right - I stumbled onto this years ago when I was a teenager and I got sick of my own teacher just saying 'practice more' - I was just thinking, I already practiced these 4 bars for 27 hours, now my hand hurts, tell me what i'm doing wrong.
Marry Christmas Choo!!
I was wondering if any of you can help me with this. What kind of pedaling works for this piece?
AJ: Thanks for the information. I know about this website. I read the Fantasie section a few months before I decided to begin my blog but since I began learning it, I haven't revisited it. It's even more interesting now that I'm working on the piece. I do find some of Chang's methods quite difficult to understand, though. I think it would be helpful to have someone demonstrate it on video instead. Were you using a digital piano when you were playing Polonaise? I couldn't tell but Kyle and Birba mentioned it. I enjoyed your performance very much.
Can you tell us the brand and model AJ?
how do you go with the high pace chromatic runs? I may be able to give you a suggestion re the rotation for that if your having any trouble maintaining balance and accuracy at speed..?
wow! 5 weeks! i don't think my anxiety could take it. lol...i have had the piece for a year. you have encouraged me to keep my practice up on this selection. would love it. if we could work together on it! i checked out your blog earlier. mine is on live journal. with no videos. my videos are on youtube. will update when iget the A part memorized. i'm striving to get the whole thing finished by feb. i doubt that. :/
Hi. I started the fantaisie impromptu around the same time as candlelightpiano did. I would say I done it , I can play the whole piece but with mistakes everytime. Now working to perfect the piece, including phrasing, dynamics etc. My teacher's advice is that dont practice with the pedal so that once you put everything together, all the notes will be clear. P.s I am a Malaysian.