Freddy's op. 25.
Freddy Kruegrer
Freddy Chopin, obviously.
Chopin Op.23
Hey I was going to say that, but think about this: total up all the epicness of his op. 25 etudes, and the SUM of them is slightly larger than the epicness of op. 23... I mean... them & op. 10 completely revolutionized the etude from boring finger exercises into exciting masterpieces...
Actually, Liszt was beter.
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U disagree? Pls don't tell me that you think Un Sospiro, La CAmpanella, and Chase neige are works of sh*t, like most of Chopin's Etudes.
The only Chopin Etudes I like:Op. 10 #1, 2, 9, 12; Op. 25 #1, 3, 7, and 9, and 11. And yes, I've heard all of them. But none of them are as good as the Liszt Etudes I listed.
In most cases, however, it tells how good a composer was at the beginning of his composing career.
Liszt was more harmonically inventive. But in terms of rhythmic clarity, melodic ideas, consistency in the quality of his music, Liszt doesn't even touch Chopin. You think the Chopin etudes are crap? You should go write a set of etudes that have more poetic vision then. Liszt wrote some GREAT works, but he was a complete hit and miss composer, and he missed the target a lot more than he hit it . Chopin on the other hand, put out masterpiece after masterpiece after masterpiece. He never went through a weak compositional period and almost every single piano composition of his is masterfully crafted to the highest level of poetry. I can't say the same thing about Liszt. Virtually every Chopin melody is memorable, even his rhythmic contour can be remembered even without the musical tones most of the time. Also, Chopin almost never wrote difficult things for the sake of being difficult. You cannot make a Chopin etude technically easier without it losing its musical quality. The Liszt Transcendental Etudes that are played today are REVISIONS of old etudes Liszt wrote with the same exact melodic ideas, but he just added an extra layer of virtuosic technique to make it even harder. The old etudes were great as they were, so the fluff Liszt put in the etudes later on doesn't even add to the musical quality. Every technical difficulty in Chopin's music has musical meaning (except maybe some of the early works that were in a more " brilliante " style.) but so much of Liszt's music is just superficial. There are some great pieces by Liszt, like the B minor sonata, Sonetto 104, and the valse oubliee are brilliant. I can just say that for me personally, Liszt's music provides very little emotional satisfaction. Most of it was written to make money and please the crowd. Chopin had other things in mind.- AJ
OK, I guess I'm more mature than you then.
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Well, again, I DO need a large bikini
Official Maturity Level Caluclationajlongspiano: *calculating...* 400rubinsteinmad: *calculating...* *calculating...* *calculating...* We're sorry. This system cannot handle a negative number.
ONLY 400 WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE MACHINE?!?! Haha. Noah how's that etude coming along?
Because Noah's a musician worth listening to, obviously.
Maybe the machine cannot handle a number above 400 The etude sounds terrible. And feels terrible. I'm not sure if it's going to happen! ha ha, I might just have to wait until I'm like 18 (and a little bit better ) and I've completely forgotten it then get it ready for the chopin competition application with a clean slate. I learned it with the 1-1 double white key crossings which really slows it down. But now I can't change it to the 2nd finger slide off the black key way because I've practiced the 1-1 way too much. Also I can't really spend a ton of time on it because of the competition I have coming up. Oh well. How's the nocturne coming along?
BTW do you know why it is "easier" to play Liszt musically than Chopin(or so piano teachers claim)?Answer: Because Liszt wrote his music very musically, but Chopin did not. So, you have to be more musical with Chopoin.
I also like Pletnev's Tchaikovsky. I personally like his Scarlatti, but who cares, because outin doesn't and outin is my new friend.
What a nice thing to say So do we agree about what is our favorite non opus of keyboard music?
Scarlatti?
Wrong. Chopin's music is technically difficult to play but should sound easy, while Listz clearly wanted his music to sound difficult as well. So it's easy to forget about the essence of music. And that's the reason why I've never liked his music really. The pianist's struggles or virtuosity do not really interest me one bit, just like I don't get excited of watching sports...
Don't worry, you're not on my kill list Chopin is a bipolar composer to me because while I like so much some of his music, I don't care for some pieces at all...
But still, I love when a pianist makes Liszt sound easy. But I agree, I love Chopin's Don Juan more than Liszt's Don Juan. But when Liszt isn't blowing over the top with trying to makes things sound hard, I kind of like his compositions. I don't have a single Chopin piece I like better than the Sonnneto 104 del Petrarcha. (Well, that's not exactly true. I also like:Nocturne Op. 27 nos. 1 and 2Nocturne Op. 48 #1Nocturne #20 (Don't kill me, I like the violin version)Andante blah blah blah and PolonaiseHeroic Polonaise(Again, Don't kill me)THe 2nd movement of the Concerto #2.Etude Op. 10 #1, 9, 12 (Don't kill me); Op. 25 #7Ballade #1Ballade #3 Ballade #4 (When it's not played by me )And much much more, but that's all I can think about now.
What the heck was that list for?
my funeral in 90+ years and the ceremony of my victory of World War III for the funeral, major keys only, ceremony, funeral marches only
Goodness you three are starting to REALLY ANNOY ME
Liszt was more harmonically inventive. But in terms of rhythmic clarity, melodic ideas, consistency in the quality of his music, Liszt doesn't even touch Chopin. You think the Chopin etudes are crap? You should go write a set of etudes that have more poetic vision then.
Liszt wrote some GREAT works, but he was a complete hit and miss composer, and he missed the target a lot more than he hit it
I can't say the same thing about Liszt.
Virtually every Chopin melody is memorable, even his rhythmic contour can be remembered even without the musical tones most of the time.
Also, Chopin almost never wrote difficult things for the sake of being difficult. You cannot make a Chopin etude technically easier without it losing its musical quality.
Every technical difficulty in Chopin's music has musical meaning (except maybe some of the early works that were in a more " brilliante " style.)
but so much of Liszt's music is just superficial. There are some great pieces by Liszt, like the B minor sonata, Sonetto 104, and the valse oubliee are brilliant. I can just say that for me personally, Liszt's music provides very little emotional satisfaction.
Most of it was written to make money and please the crowd. Chopin had other things in mind.