Obama or McCain?

[pies]

We should make a team effort to convert pianistimo to Islam.

[G.W.K]

I am part scottish, too, GWK - so we are even.  Go ahead and explain.  Don't just rant.  Tell me WHY.

Tell you what? It's difficult to keep up with you...as you keep on modifing your threads, in my (now ruined) thread.

G.W.K

[thalbergmad]

Thal - you haven't spoken to the issues!  

That is because this is not the right thread.

You have now ruined it.

I wish you would go away for good.

Thal

[G.W.K]

I wish you would go away for good.

When I joined P.S. ages ago, I thought Pianistimo was a nice member. Now I too, resent my own thread because it is ruined by her.

Please Pianistimo, if you wish to discuss this...please do so in ANOTHER thread! Don't bring your problems and moaning to MY thread!

G.W.K

[G.W.K]

GWK - you have failed to also mention why the USA elections are so important to you - despite the fact you said they are unimportant.  I think your reactions bely the fact that you really want Obama to win.  SO TELL US WHY!  And, if you would be so kind as to answer also - why Christianity should not be allowed, but Islamic extremism should.  There is no toleration on this board for anything but extremist, liberal views - and women are subjugated to the realm of 'uneducated' 'should not talk' 'idiots' 'tarts.'  I have not spoken to you personally in any disrespectful manner - nor Thal, nor anyone else.  Why the personal attacks, too?  Does it make you feel more of a man?

I've just noticed this (because you have a habit of constantly editing your posts).

I mentioned the American elections out of curiousity...if I HAD to pick out of Obama and McCain, I would pick Obama...he seems the most decent candidate.

I have not said "Christianity should not be allowed" either. You believe in that, I do not. Nor am I sexist, which is what you are inferring to by saying "Does it make you feel more of a man?", rape, etc.

Personal attacks? Would that be the same as you attacking non-believers? Islamic people? Homosexuals?

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

GWK, you started the attacks, not me.  'what shall we do with her?  i must tell nils.'  waaahhh wahhhhh.  Btw, i am adding to posts and not subtracting.

Why can't you just address my question.  It is simple.  Why do you support gay marriage.  That's all i'm asking.  Let me give you some sample answers to check if you want:  women who are married are always tired and don't want sex as much, i find men attractive, when i have a drink a man looks like a woman, my mother looked like a man, i feel very manly with other men - moreso than women because women tend to nitpick, men are sometimes neater than women.

OK some of these are actually true sometimes.  i've seen some gay men couples that are fastidious to the point of being amazingly better than women who major in home ec.  How is it possible?  I do not know.  Also, there are many really great fashion designers - and i don't always like all the fashions - but there is no doubt they have talent. 

I'm not 'gay bashing' - i'm merely saying that the candidates stance on gay MARRIAGE gives a lot of changes to the idea of a 'traditional marriage.'  Why should untraditional marriage be supported?  What will be the benefit to society?  Just wondering what are your views (unbiased and just what you think - no insults).

Also, there are questions in my mind about pies statement - we should convert her to islam.  Islam doesn't believe in gayness at all.  People can be killed over it in some arabic countries like Iraq.  In America - if someone is killed it's because of a crazy extremist who takes the law into their own hands.  It's not the typical female instinct anyways - to attack a man no matter what persuasion.  Who would win?

[thalbergmad]

Isa. 4:1 says that 'seven women will take hold of one man....'  Why? 

That happened to me once when i gatecrashed a hen night.

Anyway going back to the original question, if i were an American i would vote for Obama.

1. I like him
2. He is less likely to start WW3
3. He is more likely to stay alive during his term of office.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Why can't you just address my question. 

Why can't you stay on topic?

Thal

[G.W.K]

GWK, you started the attacks, not me.  'what shall we do with her?  i must tell nils.'  waaahhh wahhhhh.  Btw, i am adding to posts and not subtracting.

Why can't you just address my question.  It is simple.  Why do you support gay marriage.

I know you are adding to posts. I support gay marriage because they have the same rights as non-gay people. They are human beings and I respect that they have different preferences. I personally don't see the attraction in other men - but gay and lezbian people do see the attraction in same-sex relationships.

I only fear gays when they begin to have sexual feelings towards me. Aside from that, they are normal people who like different things. Everyone likes different things (I like Haggis, but not Black Pudding. Does that make me so different?), it's what makes people unique.

If we were all the same, it would be a boring world. We would be the living equivilant to robots.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

Staying on topic means telling us why you will vote for Obama or McCain.  Is it blind love or something?  I appreciate your answers, Thal (finally)>  Funny about the hen crashing.

GWK - thanks very much for telling me how you think on the issues.  I really do think the same in terms of rights of all to be equal under the law.  However, my difference is that i do not believe gay people have the right to a Christian marriage.  Some churches say - well Jesus loves everyone.  But, he says in Leviticus that a man should not lie with another man as he would lie with a woman.  That's kind of straightforward - and yet - in our culture - it's = to marriage and not just having a relationship.

If our society allows marriage - that is a different 'bird.'  The bird part is that children are affected directly.  Adoptions could then take place and many children quite confused as to who is their real mother since men can't have children in the first place.  And, how are you going to nurse a baby? This is a simple direct question for anyone who supports gay married couples adopting children.  I'm just thinking - ok - give them a bottle and act nice.  But, what man is REALLY willing to change diapers, burp, and treat a baby with the same gentleness that a woman is born with.  Likely, the second day the baby is over in the corner with toys around it.

[thalbergmad]

GWK, you started the attacks, not me.  'what shall we do with her?  i must tell nils.'  waaahhh wahhhhh.  Btw, i am adding to posts and not subtracting.

He is well within his rights to tell nils and i hope he has. Since GWK does not have the power to remove you, that is the only available solution to someone who is fed up to the back teeth with seeing threads ruined by your garbage.

I think in all honesty you should be banned. You have the right to speak, but not the right to infest.

You are intolerant, ignorant and it is impossible to enter into any kind of sensible debate with you.

Thal

[G.W.K]

Funny about the hen crashing.

GATECRASHING! Not "hen crashing". lol

Thal ~ I did. Earlier was too chaotic, I just had to push that "Report" button, LOL.

G.W.K

[thalbergmad]

I know you are adding to posts. I support gay marriage because they have the same rights as non-gay people. They are human beings and I respect that they have different preferences. I personally don't see the attraction in other men - but gay and lezbian people do see the attraction in same-sex relationships.

We are both fuelling her flames by answering her posts.

If we both just answered her posts with the word "yawn", she will eventually go away.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Staying on topic means telling us why you will vote for Obama or McCain.  Is it blind love or something?  I appreciate your answers, Thal (finally)>  Funny about the hen crashing.

YAWN

[G.W.K]

We are both fuelling her flames by answering her posts.

If we both just answered her posts with the word "yawn", she will eventually go away.

Thal

It's like a serious version of lucy, isn't it? LOL...and shorty thinks I'm too serious sometimes...LOL

G.W.K

[thalbergmad]

It's like a serious version of lucy, isn't it?

G.W.K

She has nowhere near the intelligence of Lucy

[G.W.K]

She has nowhere near the intelligence of Lucy

No. More intelligent than Lucy (slightly at least)...but less funnier than Lucy.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

I feel that you are not sensitive to women.  How's that?  Why don't you chew on something and think about other rights than just gay rights.  Does Obama really want to help women?  I don't think so.  He didn't choose a running mate that was a woman - and he could have.  But, Hillary and he don't get along so i guess it's not irrational or anything.  Just thinking aloud.  Suppose that's not allowed.

I think he and Biden are two different types of people and they seem very illogically paired.  Does Obama's wife really like to talk to Biden's.  I have never seen them together - and yet - i think they probably get along.  They just never stand near each other do they?

[thalbergmad]

I feel that you are not sensitive to women.  How's that?  Why don't you chew on something and think about other rights than just gay rights.  Does Obama really want to help women?  I don't think so.  He didn't choose a running mate that was a woman - and he could have.  But, Hillary and he don't get along so i guess it's not irrational or anything.  Just thinking aloud.  Suppose that's not allowed.

I think he and Biden are two different types of people and they seem very illogically paired.

YAWN

[G.W.K]

I feel that you are not sensitive to women.  How's that?  Why don't you chew on something and think about other rights than just gay rights.  Does Obama really want to help women?  I don't think so.  He didn't choose a running mate that was a woman - and he could have.  But, Hillary and he don't get along so i guess it's not irrational or anything.  Just thinking aloud.  Suppose that's not allowed.

Do you really think a guy would stand up to be President...and just focus on the male population? You are one of the BIGGEST sexists I've ever met!

Thal ~ I just had to say that...LOL

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

Oh.  You turn the tables on me instead of asking yourself why Obama's wife outdoes him at every turn and he looks a little humiliated and confused and keeps repeating this mantra 'change, change.'  His wife actually says something different everytime she speaks.  She doesn't have to pause or do that cheek puff.  What's with the cheek puff? 

[thalbergmad]

You play into her hands Sir

Like a candle, she will extinguish if we deny her oxygen.

Thal

[thalbergmad]

Oh.  You turn the tables on me instead of asking yourself why Obama's wife outdoes him at every turn and he looks a little humiliated and confused and keeps repeating this mantra 'change, change.'  His wife actually says something different everytime she speaks.

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[G.W.K]

Like a candle, she will extinguish if we deny her oxygen

What an interesting comparison...LOL

G.W.K

[G.W.K]

What's with the cheek puff? 

I don't know. But I'm sure it is sinful.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

I have extinguished you two.  By eliminating the unfair hand.  I grabbed the sexist card and you can't use it back on me.  I happen to love being a woman and i happen to think that straight, gay, or ugly men can still be pretty good people to talk to and discuss.  That elections can be unfair simply by a machine having a bad day.

What if the machines are too outdated and the whole process goes berzerk.  Then what?  Will we go back to counting things by hand - and take a year to figure out who's president.  Will Obama and McCain end up spending the year together until it is figured out.  Will Obama go on the Oprah Winfrey show and speak to women about how he will improve their lives?  Just wondering.

I just don't think Obama will say 'you know, i think mother's that raise their own children (instead of calling 'villiage, village, come over here') are heroic.  I think they should have the option of working or staying at home and should be paid to do the jobs they have to hire out - ie babysitting, cooking, cleaning.  We should give tax breaks to women with young children so that there isn't the need for them to abandon their families and let someone else raise their own children.

Obama is probably more for the opposite.  Socialism which takes away the rights of parents and gives it all to the government.  ALL.  Not just a little.  It wants all.  Because education is key to a new world government.  Take the children away as young as possible - and make pre-school mandatory.  That's what is likely.  And, it might sound predictive - but it's the system we're buying into.

[G.W.K]

Will Obama and McCain end up spending the year together until it is figured out.

Oh no, they can't do that! It's barbaric.

G.W.K

[ahinton]

Oh no, they can't do that! It's barbaric.

I thought that the line ran "Oh, no, they can't take that away from me" - but never mind.

To return to the thread topic, might there not be some argument for suggesting that if the dollar disappears into history and is eventually forgotten it may not matter all that much which of these two gets elected (assuming that either of them does)?

Best,

Alistair

[G.W.K]

Look Pianistimo: if Obama wins...you're stuffed.
If McCain wins...you can rejoice.

We'll find out on Tuesday.

This thread is over. (Well, it was ages ago)

G.W.K

[G.W.K]

I thought that the line ran "Oh, no, they can't take that away from me" - but never mind.

To return to the thread topic, might there not be some argument for suggesting that if the dollar disappears into history and is eventually forgotten it may not matter all that much which of these two gets elected (assuming that either of them does)?

LOL, no I was being facetious.

Thank you for returning to the thread topic.

G.W.K

[ahinton]

We should make a team effort to convert pianistimo to Islam.

I guess that it might be more possible than trying to do it the other way around...

Best,

Alistair

[ronde_des_sylphes]

Anyway going back to the original question, if i were an American i would vote for Obama.

1. I like him
2. He is less likely to start WW3
3. He is more likely to stay alive during his term of office.

Thal

The KKK probably have something to say about point 3..

[ahinton]

Look Pianistimo: if Obama wins...you're stuffed.

With what?

If McCain wins...you can rejoice.

In what?

We'll find out on Tuesday.

This thread is over. (Well, it was ages ago)

Exactly. The importance of the outcome is surely infinitely less than once it might have been, given America's ongoing slow and painful disappearance from the world currency markets...

Best,

Alistair

[G.W.K]

if Obama wins...you're stuffed.

Because she wants McCain to win, haven't you been reading her rants? LOL

If McCain wins...you can rejoice.

Because she will have got what she wants.

G.W.K

[ahinton]

Because she wants McCain to win, haven't you been reading her rants?

No.

Because she will have got what she wants.

I hope that she can manage to get that without the input of either McCain or Obama...

Best,

Alistair

[G.W.K]

I grow weary with this topic. I'm tired anyway...we will find out who wins on Tuesday.

Night,

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

Well, I have to say one last thing.  I'm from Alaska and here's how i view Palin's foreign policy crit:
https://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,174715,00.html

If Barack Obama would have chosen Hillary -we'd have a catfight going on now.  Glad that he chose Biden, actually.  It was a losing move for the votes of women who don't want to be paid 83 cents on the dollar like Obama pays his women staff.

And, yet - to speak my confused mind - the Lord didn't make women to go around critiquing men.  Palin speaks up for women, though, and women need a voice.  We are required to be political in the sense that many issues relate directly to women whether they work inside or outside the home.  I don't think that Geraldine Ferraro really wants to vote for Obama.  She'd probably rather vote for Obama's wife.  Note that she did not fully decide on her vote for a long time because she wasn't sure of either candidate.  This is a feminist!  Palin isn't a feminist in the traditional sense of the word.  She is a hard worker, yes.  But, she didn't really relish debating with Biden because she is a feminine woman.  And, I really don't believe she desires the office of President as much as working with John McCain as a person that she shares views on and wishes to support.

[johnny-boy]

Bob Barr!
Not a dime's worth of difference:
https://blog.bobbarr2008.com/2008/10/22/barr-not-a-dimes-worth-of-difference/

John

[pianistimo]

And yet, Obama has been quite wasteful with his own campaign money - whilst John McCain has literally struggled on a thrift store budget and managed to break almost even with Obama.  That says something.  He is willing to stick by his word even if it hurts.  He didn't promise vain promises - but he said 'we're going to cut government spending to the bare bones - and expose waste....'  Obama says the opposite.  Spend more on health care for everyone.  We will pay for it by grabbing money from people who have it - even though they are already taxed sufficiently.  We will also create more government insititutions and gladly accept funding from sources of which we don't know the beginning.  We love acorn because it will get us elected - not because they deal financially or literally with democracy in the way that it was intended.  So what if some of the votes were fraudulent.  Remember Mickey Mouse - his ears look a little bit like Obama's.  It's a way to win the election.  To much fraud with Obama.  Honesty and integrity even if it hurts - is McCain's motto.

If McCain and Palin balance the budget in one term - that will really expose how much waste is going on.  Sure, it will hurt.  But, what would you choose.  Hurting or watching us turn socialist on a dime.  NAFTA is still a big dillemma with understanding what is in John McCain's mind on turning the whole continent into one big conglomerate.  We have to be careful of terrorists in Argentina and elsewhere - that really don't want America free of terrorism anymore.  I think John McCain will bring the troops home - but I hope that we work out a strong detail with Argentina as forcefully as with Afghanistan.  This means searching out terrorists and dealing with them before they get to us.  I believe that it can be done peaceably if we would garner the rights we once had to help the nations sift out terrorists near the Panama canal.  Thanks alot Mr. Carter for all your help on that one!  Peace is sometimes done with military stars and not smiles.

btw, we built that canal!  Panama doesn't give a * (care).  https://www.americaslibrary.gov/cgi-bin/page.cgi/jb/modern/pancanal_1

Something I will say in the South American defence is that many past Presidents did not put enough effort, love, and money into south America.  It is a shame.  We had no troubles with Mexico until we developed some sort of ambivalence towards them no matter how nice they were.  My grandmother used to go to the Mayo clinic and they treated her very well.  May Mexico be spared any troubles in the next Presidency because Mexico - like Canada should be a good ally and not a troubled trading partner.  We have no reason to not like Mexico.  We have, for many years, been doubled tongued on the drug issue- since the demand for drugs was high here.  Thanks to Hollywood on that one!  Hollywood - can you please leave now?  (to coin a phrase about leaving).

About immigration, too, i think that all men are created equal.  They should have equal opportunities. Instead of sending money halfway around the world, send more to Mexico.  They may end up being our greatest ally because we sort of share economies now - with both sides going across the border for various reasons.  Americans to Mexico so they can live within a budget.  Mexicans to America to make some money.  We need the two Presidents on good terms - and working together for the common good - keeping terrorism not only away from the US border - but also away from Mexico.  I don't think that wooing them is the answer - by vain promises - but how we treat mexicans living in the usa will greatly matter.  We need to make life reasonable and fair - and the process of working here reasonable.  To not split up families - but to work together to help them become a valuable partner in economic stability.

[argerichfan]

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Quite nice, no wonder I've always liked you. 

I just wish Europeans could have a vote, Obama would win easily.  But alas it's all up to a lot of stupid, naive, ignorant Americans.

If the US only knew what the rest of the world thinks... it's really sickening.  America is truly the land of people utterly out of touch.  And they like that... the world revolves around them.  Forget the important global issues, they're having a problem with the acceptance of 'creationism', flag burning, an amendment to the Constitution defining marriage, denying a woman's right to choose.

These were all worked out years ago in Europe.  America is so far behind, it's really pathetic. 

[etcetra]

wow what a waste of time and space

[argerichfan]

wow what a waste of time and space

The best post yet...

[nanabush]

Obama over here... I'm Canadian though 

[cherub_rocker1979]

About immigration, too, i think that all men are created equal.  They should have equal opportunities. Instead of sending money halfway around the world, send more to Mexico.  They may end up being our greatest ally because we sort of share economies now - with both sides going across the border for various reasons.  Americans to Mexico so they can live within a budget.  Mexicans to America to make some money.  We need the two Presidents on good terms - and working together for the common good - keeping terrorism not only away from the US border - but also away from Mexico.  I don't think that wooing them is the answer - by vain promises - but how we treat mexicans living in the usa will greatly matter.  We need to make life reasonable and fair - and the process of working here reasonable.  To not split up families - but to work together to help them become a valuable partner in economic stability.

Thanks for bringing this up, Pianistimo.  I wish Mexico had more help from the US and other countries.  Mexicans are good people, are willing to work hard, and have strong family values.  You never know when the US might need Mexico's help, given the current economic situation.

[cherub_rocker1979]

To answer the thread's question, I'm going with Obama for the same reasons stated by GWK.

[arensky]

Cynthia McKinney 

https://www.mckinney2008.com/PRESIDENT/

[morningstar]

OK I think I finally get why you lot don't like pianistimo lol. It is rather funny to the casual observer though.
I voted "Don't Care". Cheers for that addition GWK.

[pianochick93]

I feel that you are not sensitive to women.

Heh, I haven't met a man yet who is...

Regarding the election - don't care either.

[thalbergmad]

And, yet - to speak my confused mind - the Lord didn't make women to go around critiquing men. 

I am glad you mentioned "confused mind". Why don't you just think instead of writing?

Your peabrained preaching is so pathetic it is not even amusing anymore.

Thal

[db05]

Your peabrained preaching is so pathetic it is not even amusing anymore.

Maybe she thinks she got banned for being amusing. It's a bit confusing sometimes.