Obama or McCain?

[G.W.K]

Personally I'm not bothered what the Americans do, I'm just bored, (And surprised someone hasn't mentioned this already).

I think Obama will win on Tuesday, better than Bush anyway.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

In this time and space dimension that we live there are many variables and perspectives.  What if this is just 'one moment in time' and things may change very suddenly and rapidly in the next three or so years for America?  I think that very well could be the case if Obama became President.  I think many people like him have high ideals.  They have experienced the other side of the 'american dream' which has a very heavy price and makes them somewhat bitter at the idea that there is a constitution which isn't always used with precision and justice for all - but that there has been racial bias and problems.  Obama would be the first black President - and that is fine with many whites.  The difficulty for some is not his color (as it is expected that we would have a black President).  The problem is the question whether he is actually democratic or socialist and for a one world government. If this is so...he will sell out America to a one world agenda.

The end of it all would result in America being subsumed into a situation of MUCH higher taxes and oversight.  I am for small government and less intrusion - and am wary of changes to the US constitution which guarantees the rights of all - whether rich or poor to determine how their own lives proceed and without arbitrary AUTHORITATIVENESS on almost every area of their lives.

However, in the future - according to the book of Isaiah - which foretold Jesus Christ coming in chp. 11 - Jesus will return to this earth during a time when the nations of Israel (the ones that had the bible and turned from God) are again in 'captivity.'  Whether this captivity is financial - and/or we actually sell land, trade the us constitution for global laws, and are subsumed into other countries (as Isa. 11:11 indicates) - we will be in some kind of captivity.  Isa. 11:11 mentions that God Himself will 'again recover the second time with His hand, the remnant of his people....'  If it is a second time - it hasn't happened yet.  We haven't been in any sort of enslavement to other countries yet.

I think it's a warning from G-d at the same time as an encouragement.  When Jesus Christ rules - he will rule with a 'rod of iron' which is also authoritative - but He will rule in righteousness.  Isaiah also mentions 'He will not judge by what His eyes see, nor make a decision by what His ears hear; but with righteousness He will judge the poor, and decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth....they will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain (government).'  Whoever wins the Presidency will not ultimately rule forever.  They are temporarily there on the grace of the Eternal God.

[G.W.K]

LOL, you never fail to amaze me pianistimo, I was thinking this was something that God couldn't be mentioned in. I stand corrected (again).

Obama may win the election - but will American accept a Black President? According to our news, in the UK, Americans seem...reluctant to allow their country to be under the control of a coloured male, even though he is an American.

I think he could change America from the failing standards of George Bush into a continent that is liked and peaceful. He claims to retreat from Iraq, something Bush wouldn't do...therefore, the UK would do so also.

The world suffered at the hands of George .W. Bush, with any luck the new president (whichever one it is) will fix that.

G.W.K

[cherub_rocker1979]

So Jesus will return only when the US is in captivity?  He doesn't care about the rest of the world?

[G.W.K]

So Jesus will return only when the US is in captivity?  He doesn't care about the rest of the world?

Erm, can we discuss the resurrection of Jesus Christ in another thread please? I don't really want my threads to turn into an episode of Trisha or Jerry Springer (American version of Trisha).

Or even worst, "Songs of Praise".

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

I think that Obama says one thing and means another.  He means to betray the USA and the reason I believe that is that we cannot afford all the things he proposes because we haven't even solved the problems in the immigration system.  

Also, he claims to be Christian - when in actual fact - his background is Muslim.  That is why the Arabs like him so much.  That's good for peace, but bad for the constitution.  The Arabs and Israelis have always fought since they were brothers (Issac and Ishmael) - and yet have serious differences regarding G-d because it was thought that the God of Israel showed favoratism to Issac.  In actuality, there were also twelve princes of Ishmael (sons and nations) and they were given distinct land and places that Israel was not supposed to enter or take either.  There were promises to both groups of nations.

Today, the bible is disregarded because as a factual historical account it shows that Israel (the tiniest nation in the middle east) used to be where the whole NATION of Israel lived!   Some may laugh when i say this - but the nation of Israel wasn't just Judah.  It was all the nations of Israel.  They were given the law- and kept it with them when they began to disperse.  They are basically all those who have kept the holy bible in their nations and lands and used it to set up systems of government (ie KINGdoms- according to the first king of the bible - Saul).  They even used certain psalms of David in coronations.  The 'line of David' is said - prophetically - to still be on this earth when Jesus returns.  If the line of David is kings from OT times - that would be strange because the state of Israel has prime ministers.  Not kings.

It is interesting that some of the more recent findings in archeology have to do with a scripture that is often spoken as a blessing to those who cling to Israel much like Ruth did with Naomi.  She believed that Naomi's God was the one true God and went with her wherever she went.  This blessing, therefore, is not just on Israel at this time - but for anyone who blesses God back.  It is Numbers 6:24 'The Lord Bless You, and keep you; The Lord make His face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you; The Lord lift up His countenence upon you, and give you PEACE.'  I think that the finding of this verse (one of the oldest manuscripts recently found) is a way that God is providing solace to those who wait for Him at this time and don't rely on a President to bring them peace.

[pianistimo]

God so loved the WORLD...  I think He is coming to set up an everlasting Kingdom and the kingdoms of this world will become one with His.  He is not destroying everyone.  Only the enemies of peace.

God is fair in all ways.  Genesis 25:16-17 names also 12 princes of ishmael which settled from havilah to shur - which is east of Egypt as one goes towards Assyria.  There are other verses which tell Israel not to enter their lands to take it.  And, similarly, the lands of Israel were GIVEN to Israel by God himself.  So...that is why some do not like the bible.  It proves that the land of Israel should exist.

I do not think Obama cares much for Israel as much as that 1/2 of it should belong to the Palestinians.  This seems good to people who believe that all of the middle east should belong to the arabs.  They have taken over the temple mount and many areas sacred to the jews.  This is because the prophecies of the bible are coming true.  Even what Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah) said - about 1/2 of Jersalem being taken.  When armies surround Jerusalem - we know that our Lord is near. 

[G.W.K]

...is a way that God is providing solace to those who wait for Him at this time and don't rely on a President to bring them peace.

Just because Obama has Muslim connections, doesn't mean he cannot be a Christian. He chooses what to believe.

Those who have waited for Him, have been waiting for over 2000 years. I doubt He will return within the next few days...please can we return to the Mortal version of America's Presidential Election?

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

The mortal combat version?  It won't bring peace as people hope it will because it's not in our power to make peace.  Peace is a spiritual issue.  And, it can happen between people of all races.  I suppose that when it comes down to it - the Kingdom of God will be socialist - but reward those who work because G-d gave the command that if any shouldn't work - neither should they eat.

[richard black]

he claims to be Christian - when in actual fact - his background is Muslim.

Who cares? They're both only Jewish sects anyway. Perhaps the most depressing thing about religion - among rather a lot of depressing things about it, it must be said - is the way the sects of one religion are apt to start wars against each other, ostensibly in the name of the deity they all revere. Hence Jews/Muslims/Christians against each other and within those again - protestants versus catholics versus othodox, Sunni versus Shia and so on and so on.

On a rather more practical level I certainly hope Obama wins because he seems to have some idea of how the whole world works, rather than just the bit of it that's America (and McCain's grasp of that seems shaky to me at times too).

[G.W.K]

Please...can...we...get...back...to...the...original...topic?!?

No Jewish sects, Kingdoms of God, Christians, Muslims, Buddas, Hindus...NOTHING RELIGIOUS!

What I can't understand is why are both candidates always mentioning: "Joe the Plumber"?

G.W.K

[thalbergmad]

This is because the prophecies of the bible are coming true. 

The only prophecy coming true is mine. I predicted that you would be plastering your rancid religious sh*t and your silly book of fairy tales all over this forum within 3 days of returning.

I think perhaps another 40 days in the wilderness would do you some good.

You have hundreds of threads dedicated to your warped and bigoted dementia. I wish you could limit yourself to them.

Thal

[pianistimo]

The bible says not to put our trust in man.  That's why america has put 'In God we trust' on coins, inside judicial courtrooms (the tours don't tell you that moses is holding the 10 commandments, though- they say it is the 'bill of rights' hahaha) and generally LAW is considered a huge part of government.  Even moreso than whom is President.  The President works for the people, supposedly - and the government is set up to serve the people.

That's why Joe the Plumber asked an innocent question of Obama.  Is he going to take money from the middle class and 'spread the wealth' which is actually hard earned (and taxed, btw, already!) from those who are WORKING.  Just because our country has less and less jobs doesn't mean you can suddenly solve the problem by starting to grab.  Mr. Obama is grabby.

Now, to circumvent all this - Mr. Obama earned a law degree from harvard - but not to learn how to abide by the constitution - but how best to change it to suit a liberal agenda which is by no means 'under God' or 'under the law' which is set by prescedent.  No.  The judges that he appoints (and he will appoint some) - will be setting new boundaries and rules which are supposedly quite inclusive of a bunch of stuff that has never been part of the judeo-christian ethic or law of the land.

That is why Christians bring in the bible - because the bible is the place that America GOT it's ideas about 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' - not to mention the right that all men are created equal.  To equate Obama to Lincoln is preposterous.  Lincoln was not liberal by any stretch of the imagination and often prayed to God and read the bible.  Obama reads the Koran. If that makes him a Christian, that's one way to stretch the definition of a Christian.  I'm not saying those that read the Koran cannot be President - but it's going to change our legal system dramatically from judeo-christian - to UN style.

[pianistimo]

About 'life...' - Mr. Obama is not pro-life - either.  That is a basic right - and if you don't have it - what do you have?  Death?  Less people in America.  Kill babies and have less people to feed.  This is promoted by those who do not believe that God creates life in the first place - and that life is at our disposal.

In Lincoln's gettysburg address - he ended with 'government of the people, for the people, by the people, shall not perish from the earth.'  Obama would say 'government by judicial mandate and not constitution, government will dictate to people, and if you fight - there will be legal restrictions and repercussions that will put a strain on you to complain...basically - your right to free speech!  That is what the UN stands for.  They couch it with words 'creating civil strife' or some such wording that makes it look like those who want freedom are creating havoc.  You can worship anyone but God and don't speak about the bible - at all - anywhere!  Especially schools, where the next government leaders come from.  Parental choice in education?  Nope.  Won't be there.  Decisions on mental illness will be the crucial next 'step' in the great agenda.  Freedom isn't valued by Obama!  He would as soon tell you this - but after the election - because recently he was asked what his greatest priorities were and they weren't any of what he was saying to get elected!  He said that himself.  Doesn't that tell you that he has a superior or greater reason for getting elected.  It has to do with a plan that has been put into place by people in the UN.

I feel that Sarah Palin puts a great strain on what the liberals stand for.  After all, one of the 'mandated' tests for most women after 40 is the 'downs syndrome' test.  If you are found to have a down's syndrome baby - typically you are asked - 'do you want to abort?'  Sarah has chosen - and it's now a national issue - to obey God's law instead of the law of man.  So...she decided to give birth to this baby and take care of it despite the extra care a baby like this will take.  She is a testament to the will of persevance and obedience to a higher law.  John McCain could have easily gone home before his troops, but chose to stay - and obeyed a higher calling, too - that shows leadership.

Some might laugh and call leadership just simply making life easier for everyone.  Life isn't about how easy things are.  John McCain might make things a little bit harder.  Not so much credit.  Saving.  Scrimping.  This isn't a hollywood mentality.  That's why very little hollywood money goes to McCain.  But, thank God (literally) for Arnold Schwarznegger - who said that McCain spent more time in a prison camp in honor of our country than Obama did as a senator.  Not that Obama has to prove himself by war - but his ideals are to make the lives of everyone easier with no pain.  There is no gain by no pain.  His ideals are too 'pie in the sky.' 

[G.W.K]

pianistimo: please answer this question with either "Yes" or "No".

Do you think Obama will win the election?

G.W.K

[lisztisforkids]

The only prophecy coming true is mine. I predicted that you would be plastering your rancid religious sh*t and your silly book of fairy tales all over this forum within 3 days of returning.

I think perhaps another 40 days in the wilderness would do you some good.

You have hundreds of threads dedicated to your warped and bigoted dementia. I wish you could limit yourself to them.

Thal

 This is probaly were she gets her 'facts' from....

 https://www.conservapedia.com/Barack_Obama#Religious_affiliations

[argerichfan]

Personally I'm not bothered what the Americans do, I'm just bored, (And surprised someone hasn't mentioned this already).

Well I'll mention it.  How exasperating can it get- the Americans take two years to elect a president?

Oh well, I hope Obama wins. 

[minor9th]

I think that Obama says one thing and means another.  He means to betray the USA and the reason I believe that is that we cannot afford all the things he proposes because we haven't even solved the problem of immigration.  

Also, he claims to be Christian - when in actual fact - his background is Muslim.  That is why the Arabs like him so much.  That's good for peace, but bad for the constitution.  The Arabs and Israelis have always fought since they were brothers (Issac and Ishmael) - and yet have serious differences regarding G-d because it was thought that the God of Israel showed favoratism to Issac.  In actuality, there were also twelve princes of Ishmael (sons and nations) and they were given distinct land and places that Israel was not supposed to enter or take either.  There were promises to both groups of nations.

Today, the bible is disregarded because as a factual historical account it shows that Israel (the tiniest nation in the middle east) used to be where the whole NATION of Israel lived!   Some may laugh when i say this - but the nation of Israel wasn't just Judah.  It was all the nations of Israel.  They were given the law- and kept it with them when they began to disperse.  They are basically all those who have kept the holy bible in their nations and lands and used it to set up systems of government (ie KINGdoms- according to the first king of the bible - Saul).  They even used certain psalms of David in coronations.  The 'line of David' is said - prophetically - to still be on this earth when Jesus returns.  If the line of David is kings from OT times - that would be strange because the state of Israel has prime ministers.  Not kings.

It is interesting that some of the more recent findings in archeology have to do with a scripture that is often spoken as a blessing to those who cling to Israel much like Ruth did with Naomi.  She believed that Naomi's God was the one true God and went with her wherever she went.  This blessing, therefore, is not just on Israel at this time - but for anyone who blesses God back.  It is Numbers 6:24 'The Lord Bless You, and keep you; The Lord make His face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you; The Lord lift up His countenence upon you, and give you PEACE.'  I think that the finding of this verse (one of the oldest manuscripts recently found) is a way that God is providing solace to those who wait for Him at this time and don't rely on a President to bring them peace.

You are seriously ill/deluded/ignorant--I can see why you are the object of so much ridicule on this board.

[pianistimo]

I come to my own conclusions, and you can draw that fact on how much the bible plays in what I believe.  Not everyone in this country believes what I do about Israel or prophecy- but it's all there in the bible.  Many in our country simply want to maintain their civil rights and for both sides (McCain and Obama) see good in both candidates.  I haven't a clue who will win - since there isn't a prophecy in the bible about any anti-christ that is head of the USA.  The anti-christ is supposed to be a part of a world system and will likely come from the head of the UN - and paired with the 'false prophet' of whom some have referred as the head of the catholic church.  I don't know who each of these people will be - and when they will arrive on the scene - but surely they will not like a sovereign America.

I am curious why Obama MUST win.  Does Europe look forward to having a 'happy party?'  We will mourn while others will rejoice.  It's like a mother dying.  You're watching and cannot save her.

[thalbergmad]

I come to my own conclusions, and you can draw that fact on how much the bible plays in what I believe.  

Yes, but it is not the case with everyone else.

Now, you have had your say a thousand times and this entire forum is covered with your spasticated rants.

Please show some respect to other people and keep your pathetic delusions out of their threads.

Thal

[pianistimo]

In reply to minor 9th - I would like to ask the question 'Where did the name Israel come from?'  Most people don't know (and are somewhat deluded themselves) that it was not a recent invention or name.  It comes from the man 'israel' who was also called Jacob.  He had 12 sons.  Who would know this excepting from reading the bible.  Now who is deluded?

Israel will figure greatly in the world scene - however little people think of this tiny country during the elections.  God's purpose is above man's.

[G.W.K]

I come to my own conclusions, and you can draw that fact on how much the bible plays in what I believe.  Not everyone in this country believes what I do about Israel or prophecy- but it's all there in the bible.  Many in our country simply want to maintain their civil rights and for both sides (McCain and Obama) see good in both candidates.  I haven't a clue who will win - since there isn't a prophecy in the bible about any anti-christ that is head of the USA.  The anti-christ is supposed to be a part of a world system and will likely come from the head of the UN - and paired with the 'false prophet' of whom some have referred as the head of the catholic church.  I don't know who each of these people will be - and when they will arrive on the scene - but surely they will not like a sovereign America.

I am curious why Obama MUST win.  Does Europe look forward to having a 'happy party?'  We will mourn while others will rejoice.  It's like a mother dying.  You're watching and cannot save her.

Is that a yes or no? All I want is a discussion that I originally intended. I don't want a religious debate. Please, if you cannot mention anything without bringing up a religious point...could you please take your Bible classes to another thread? Thank you.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

I'm sorry you still do not understand what i am saying. McCain and Palin are for the CONSTITUTION.  THE LAW IS GREATER THAN THE PRESIDENT.

[G.W.K]

It comes from the man 'israel' who was also called Jacob.  He had 12 sons.

Great...we'll make a family tree up. 

I can see my attempts to regain control of my thread will go in vain. Except thal, who tried to stop these rants also.

G.W.K

[thalbergmad]

I would like to ask the question 'Where did the name Israel come from?'  

I don't know and i don't give a monkeys armpit where "israel" came from. It has got nothing to do with this thread.

Now, please shut up you stupid tart.

Thal

[pianistimo]

According to the bible - the only kingdom recognized when Yeshua Messiah returns is the kingdom of David - of which he was a 'shoot' or branch of Jesse that is spoken of in Isaiah 11.  In Isa. 48 He says 'Hear this, O house of Jacob (who is the house of Jacob?  They still have a king?!) who are named ISRAEL and who came forth from the loins of Judah, who swear by the name of the Lord and invoke the God of Israel....'

Now, if you know your English history - you'll know that judeo-christian means that the kingdoms that were established by this 'royal lineage' of David - still exist today.  Here's a descent for you:

Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah, Shem, Arphaxad, Salah, Heber, Peleg, Reu, Serug, Nahor, Terah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Judah, Hezron, Aram, Aminadab, Naashon, Salmon, Boaz, Obed, Jesse

Kings of Israel:  David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Abijam, Asa, Jehosephat, Jehoram, Ahaziah, Joash, Amaziah, Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, Hezekiah, Manassah, Amo, Josiah, Zedekiah

Kings of Ireland:  K. Heremon m. Tea-Tephi (daughter of Zedekiah) https://www.moseshand.com/studies/destiny.htm, Irial Faidh, Eithriall, Follain, Tighemmas, Eanbotha, Smiorguil, Fiachadh Labhriane, Aongus Ollmuchadh, Maoin, Rotheachta, Dein, Siorna Saoghalach, Oholla Olchaoin, Giallebadh, Aodhain Glas, Simeon Breac, Muiredach Bolgrach, Fiachadh Tolgrach, Duach Laidhrach, Eochaidh Buaigllcrg, Ugaine More the Great, Cobhthch Coalbreag, Meilage, Jaran Gleofathaeb, Coula Cruaidh Cealgach, Oilolla Caisfhiachach, Eochaidh Foltleathan, Aongus Tuirmheach Teamharch, Eana Aighneach, Labhra Suire, Blathuchta, Easamhuin Eamhua, Roighnein Ruadh, Finlogha, Fian, Eodchaidh Feidhloich, Fineamhuas, Lughaidh Riadhdearg, Criombthan Niadhnar, Fearaidhach Fion Feachtnuigh, Fiabadh Fionoluidh, Tuathal Teachtmar, Coun Ceadchatbach, Arb Aonflier, Cormae Usada, Caibre Liffeachair, Fiachadh Sreabthuine, Muireadhach Tireach, Eochaidh Moigmeodhin, Niall of the nine hostages, Eogan Murireadhach, Earea

Kings of Argyleshire
Feargus More, Dongard, Conran, Aidan, Eugene IV, Donald IV, Dongard, Eugene V, Findan, Eugene VII, Effinus, Achaius, Alpin

Sovereigns of Scotland
Kenneth II, Constantin II, Donald VI, Malcom I, Kenneth III, Malcom II, Beatrix m. Thane Albanach, Duncan I, Malcom II Canmore, David I, Prince Henry, Earl David, Isobel m. Robert Bruce III, Robert Bruce IV m. Isobel of Gloucester, Robert Bruce m. Martha of Carriok, Robert I. Bruce (ad 1306-1329) Mary of Burke, Margary Bruce m. Walter Stewart III, Robert II, Robert III, James I, James II, James III, James IV, James V, Mary m. Lord Henry Darnley, ...and on to the Kings of England down the list...to the current Queen Elizabeth and upcoming King William.
 
You see, wayyy back when - the nation of Israel ASKED God whom He would choose.  People do the choosing now.

[G.W.K]

This is not a history lesson. Please stop pratilling on about nonsense and unless you have something useful to contribute to the TOPIC that this thread is about: please cease posting here.

G.W.K

[richard black]

wayyy back when - the nation of Israel ASKED God whom He would choose

And he answered through the mouth of some drugged-up hippy priest - not much changes.

[pianistimo]

Well, drugged up isn't the case - unless you think the Holy Spirit is involved in the mind bending.  The 'oil' of annointing was none other than the priests oil - and is still used in the ceremony of kingship in England.  Just like the USA where the President agrees to uphold the Constitution (so help him, God).  There's always mention of G-d.  So...it's really funny to have people say - there's no God. There's no law. There's no precedent.

The precendent is putting one hand on the bible.  The law is the same Torah!  And, it involves the freedom principles that our founding fathers referred to.

If you want to see a distinct change, if Obama becomes President he WILL (mark my words) put his hand on the Koran.

[G.W.K]

PIANISTIMO: PLEASE LISTEN TO ME. THIS IS MY POST. IT IS AGAINST PIANOSTREET RULES TO DISRUPT THREADS FROM THEIR ORIGINAL TOPIC, WHICH YOU ARE CLEARLY DOING! PLEASE STOP!!!

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

You are angry because I am for McCain - but also for the Constitution and law based on the BIBLE. THat is what you are angry about.  What about free speech GWK?  Do you not agree that free speech is fundamental to an ELECTION.  Go on about how only you know who the next president should be.  That's not freedom.

BTW, here is a place to learn all about Barack Obama https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

- and his fundamental beliefs - which do not include properly saluting the flag of the USA OR saying the pledge.  He is a radical ANTI-CONSTITUTIONALIST.

That is what you are angry about.  That  i understand what is going down and telling others.

[G.W.K]

You are angry because I am for McCain...

You really are confused. I don't care who you prefer! I'm not even American (and I take pride on that). I am angry because you are turning my thread into bible lesson.

I'm all for free speech and stuff, but you are taking things too far by continuously mentioning the bible and Jesus at every opportunity!

G.W.K

[minor9th]

You are angry because I am for McCain - but also for the Constitution and law based on the BIBLE.

You are aware that the Bible is a work of fiction, right? Oh, never mind.

MODERATOR: A LITTLE HELP HERE?

[shortyshort]

You really are confused. I don't care who you prefer! I'm not even American (and I take pride on that).

G.W.K

I agree with all of that. 

EDIT:
I did not vote, as "don't care" was not an option. 

[G.W.K]

I agree with all of that. 

EDIT:
I did not vote, as "don't care" was not an option. 

I'll make it one for you.

G.W.K

[shortyshort]

I'll make it one for you.

G.W.K

Cheers. 

[shortyshort]

I have now voted. 

[G.W.K]

Cheers. 

I should've thought of that earlier...

G.W.K

[thalbergmad]

You are angry because I am for McCain

No, he is angry because you won't keep your barbaric fantasies out of his thread.

Thal

[G.W.K]

No, he is angry because you won't keep your barbaric fantasies out of his thread.

Thal

You're beginning to understand me better.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

Barbaric fantasies of what?  There is nothing barbaric about saying that Jesus Christ is not only head of the church, but head of all states and all governments.  Something that the Catholic church made other catholic countries/constitutions/churches deny at the second vatican council (around 1965!).  Here's what the Catholic church says about Kingship!  (written by a catholic, no less):
https://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Feast_of_Christ_the_King.htm

https://www.amazon.com/They-Have-Uncrowned-Marcel-Lefebvre/dp/0935952055

Do you want to know barbaric? The Catholic church has plans.  Plans to run the World Churches Council - or some such organization that actually plans to tell other religions what they can and can't believe according to some doctrine they made up that makes them the head of all world religions. 

Do you want to know what else is barbaric?  The idea that beheading is still a system of justice (note - this is done in Islamic ruled countries).

Do you want to know what else is barbaric?  Sodomy.  It's why Sodom and Gommorrah were destroyed.

[G.W.K]

No one reply! This will be dealt with, hopefully soon.

Apologies to those who have tried to keep on topic, I cannot stop those people who wish to upset, irritate or annoy other members.

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

Dealt with?  Can you not speak for yourself?

How about you convince Nils to ban me again.  That would take away my freedom of speech.  Would that work?

Tell me why you think what I said is not true.  If it is not true - i will retract it.

GWK - you have failed to also mention why the USA elections are so important to you - despite the fact you said they are unimportant.  I think your reactions bely the fact that you really want Obama to win.  SO TELL US WHY!  And, if you would be so kind as to answer also - why Christianity should not be allowed, but Islamic extremism should.  There is no toleration on this board for anything but extremist, liberal views - and women are subjugated to the realm of 'uneducated' 'should not talk' 'idiots' 'tarts.'  I have not spoken to you personally in any disrespectful manner - nor Thal, nor anyone else.  Why the personal attacks, too?  Does it make you feel more of a man?

[pies]

Obama will win, expectations won't be met, and the hype will die.

[pianistimo]

If expectations aren't met - it's because there aren't any.  Obama has left himself plenty of room on that one.  No specifics.  Just a bunch of jumbled up sentences spoken carefully.  Like 'change' change' - what change are we talking about.  RADICAL CHANGE?  I don't want that!

[G.W.K]

Pianistimo:

You have no right to insult or annoy people because you believe in something others do not. You cannot convert everyone into being a Christian. You have no right to tell "non-believers" that they are Satanic or sinful because they do not believe in Him.

You have no right to tell "sodomites" that they are barbaric. Although I am not gay, I think they have equal rights as "normal" people. They are the same as you...no...as heterosexual people, they just prefer something...um...different.

You cannot discuss something without changing it to focus on you or the Bible. YOU are wrong, even though you cannot see it.

Why did you get banned? Because you either annoy people to the limit of them wanting to kill themselves (which no doubt, would be sinful) and/or you insult people because you do not agree with them. It is juvenile, it is pathetic and it is a stupid way of seeing things.
Everyone has their own beliefs, preferances and choices. Deal with it.

Now please, if you cannot say anything without dragging religious or insulting comments into it: please do not post in MY thread.

Thank you,

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

I HAVE NOT SAID YOU ARE SATANIC< OR SINFUL< OR ANYTHING!  I haven't said anything personal to you!  You are funny because you skirt issues. (pardon the pun)

Do you think children have a right to a woman as a mother and a man as a father - and to hope that they are a genetic match as parents?

Do you think children should witness gay marriages and be told this is normal behavior (go ahead and say what you like).

I can disagree and still talk.  You can't.

[thalbergmad]

That would take away my freedom of speech.  Would that work?

Yes, because people would not have their threads infested with your disgusting venom.

You have obviously not got any respect for anyone on this forum, as despite requests you just still carry on ranting.

You have got loads of threads where you can spew out your bile, so why don't you leave this one alone?. The subject of this thread is unrelated to your bigoted, war mongering happy clappy, tambo banging theories.

So, please do us a favour and shove an oversized bible in your gob.

Thal

[G.W.K]

I HAVE NOT SAID YOU ARE SATANIC< OR SINFUL< OR ANYTHING!  I haven't said anything personal to you!  You are funny because you skirt issues. (pardon the pun)

Do you think children have a right to a woman as a mother and a man as a father - and to hope that they are a genetic match as parents?

Did I say you said anything personal to me? No, you generalise everything. Stereotypical. "I skirt issues?" - I avoid issues? I think you should use another word, although you say "pardon the pun", I assume you do know I am Scottish.

What is it about genetic children? We're not even discussing that! I think it is YOU who avoids the issues.

Gays have as much right as everyone else. They are human. Doesn't the bible say to love everyone? "Love thy neighbour"? Love everyone in God's Kingdom as Jesus would love everyone in his kingdom?

Gay people are a part of the community - that "kingdom".

G.W.K

[pianistimo]

Thal - you haven't spoken to the issues!  What makes you want to love the lifestyle that many think is normal?  What is a positive about the lifestyle and why should children be taught at an early age that they have this choice.  CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT?

I am part scottish, too, GWK - so we are even.  Go ahead and explain.  Don't just rant.  Tell me WHY. 

My personal reasons against gay marriage are that it is not biblical.  Of course, if it was - it would be OK because God would have created it in the first place.  Now, if you say that it is OK - then you are saying the REASON WHY YOU DON't LIKE THE BIBLE.  That's ok.  Just say it.  Don't say - I said so.  Tell me - that's because GOD said so.

We differ on interpretation of law and how the judicial system will radically change.  I don't think it will favor women so much, either.  Witness many murders that go uncharged today.

Men often bring up rape to intimidate women, also.  Why can't they think of peaceable topics and think of women in the stature that God made them?  Maybe because the society downplays the importance of women now by making a 'man like a woman.'  That is the wording of the bible.  It's a farce on womanhood.  A man doing a man is like saying 'i cannot be a man to a woman. it's ungodly.'

I'm not talking about a man who hasn't got all his testosterone.  I'm talking about a studly man getting his balls messed up on purpose.  I think it has to do with deciding who will be female.  Now, to be fair - i think the same thing about women who take testosterone and grow facial hair on purpose.  What is the meaning of that?  Letting their hair grow all over their arms and acting like it's really great to wear the largest watch possible.

I guess it's dull to just be male or female.  Of course, shaving doesn't really enter this since Adam and Eve could have been quite hairy.  As i see it - and perhaps I do not speak for God always - but on this issue it is quite plain to me - you can't promote the species the other way either.  That might be one of the reasons you use as a 'positive' - although i would disagree.  Politely.

Isa. 4:1 says that 'seven women will take hold of one man....'  Why?  Because the rest are gay?  Possibly.