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Offline pianissimo1337

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Favorite Liszt études?
on: September 16, 2014, 08:06:33 AM
So...which one do you like the most and why? Choices include ALL etudes (transcendental etudes, Paganini etudes, concert etudes, etude de perfectionnement)

I didn't want to use the poll, because
1) I'm lazy to type all of the etudes and their names and their S'es
2) I need some opinion too. I'm gonna "attempt" to play them!  8)

Btw I'm new here, not some old-acc-forgot-password guy. So feel free to tease me. Feedbacks are appreciated.

Offline alistaircrane4

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #1 on: September 16, 2014, 09:31:51 AM
I like only no9 out of his op1 etudes. Beautiful melody and accessible technique.
Respectively I like no.9 from his Transcendental etudes for the same reasons but I also love
Mazeppa no.4- Those thirds and it is a great wowing piece. Good to play when people ask you to play something.
Eroica no.7- Great melody and good use of chords and octaves also those crashing runs really put the heroic part into like a swooping effect.
Harmonies du Soir- The étude that works on it all! Left hand, fast chords, rolling chords, jumps, octaves, chromatic octaves with added fifths. And it is in no way musically displeasing great to listen to everyday.

From Paganini I only listen to the 1838 version and those destroy the revisions.
La Campanella from 1838 is ten times more challenging but 20 times more musically rewarding and exciting great a flat major section and works on many different techniques.
Also i like no.4 arpeggio very quick and bright good melody pleasing g major section.

I don't really care for the concert etudes

Offline justanamateur

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #2 on: September 16, 2014, 03:27:41 PM
So...which one do you like the most and why? Choices include ALL etudes (transcendental etudes, Paganini etudes, concert etudes, etude de perfectionnement)

I didn't want to use the poll, because
1) I'm lazy to type all of the etudes and their names and their S'es
2) I need some opinion too. I'm gonna "attempt" to play them!  8)

Btw I'm new here, not some old-acc-forgot-password guy. So feel free to tease me. Feedbacks are appreciated.

Harmonies du soir is one of my all-time favourite pieces.

I also love Mazeppa and Ab Irato. Paysage is not bad either.

I don't have any Paganini or Concert etudes that I really like... yet. I'm going to relisten to them. I've finally learnt to appreciate the Liszt B minor recently and it turns out to be much more amazing than I thought when I first heard it!
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Offline nanakwame

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #3 on: September 17, 2014, 12:02:59 AM
I think my favorite etude has to be his "Paysage" because of it sound to be honest. It's so tranquil  ;D And I love how the left hand has to do a lot of work. <3
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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #4 on: September 18, 2014, 09:18:19 AM
I've only listened to about half of the transcendental etudes and probably my favourite is Harmonies du soir. Such a great piece with everything you want: beautiful melodies and grand chordal passages featuring rolls and octaves. From the Paganini studies La Campanella and No. 6 are my favourites.

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #5 on: September 18, 2014, 10:36:21 AM
My favourites are Transcendental etudes No 2, no 4 (Mazeppa), No 10, La Campanella and  Gnomenreigen.

Mazeppa is great to listen to and I always listen to the whole thing while browsing music to listen to. The double octave parts are  so powerful. The ending too, so calm before the end and so triumphant.

Gnomenreigen truly sounds like a gnome dancing. my favourite interpretation of this piece is  Cziffra's playing. The  repeated notes sound tricky, the  speed is tricky to master.

It's a shame that I won't be able to  play any of  these pieces.
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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #6 on: September 22, 2014, 02:26:12 AM
Like all of them, but my favourites are:

Chasse-Neige
Harmonies du Soir
TE #10
PE #1

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #7 on: September 22, 2014, 01:59:53 PM
I seem to be the only one who favors 'Ricordanza' above the rest of them all (haven't heard all yet though).

Harmonies du Soir seems to appeal to a lot of people. While it's a beautiful work, I personally feel it just doesn't get that "simplistic beauty" that lies in the seemingly more melodious Ricordanza.

Chasse-Neige is pretty nice too, and Cziffra's interpretation is unique and interesting.

Feux Follets in his hands is something...there's a charm he evokes that no other pianist I've heard could produce when playing that piece.

La Campanella from 1838 is ten times more challenging but 20 times more musically rewarding and exciting great a flat major section and works on many different techniques.
Also i like no.4 arpeggio very quick and bright good melody pleasing g major section.

Isn't it actually easier? I haven't played either but this video tells me you may have worded your statement incorrectly (?):

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #8 on: September 22, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
this video tells me you may have worded your statement incorrectly (?):



Or the working version......

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #9 on: September 24, 2014, 01:15:41 AM

Isn't it actually easier? I haven't played either but this video tells me you may have worded your statement incorrectly (?):


If you haven't played either then I do not expect you to know and it is a well known fact that the 1838 version were all harder and Liszt had to rewrite them same for the transcendental etudes. Watch these videos and tell me which is harder.
1838 version
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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #10 on: September 24, 2014, 01:48:57 AM
If you haven't played either then I do not expect you to know and it is a well known fact that the 1838 version were all harder and Liszt had to rewrite them same for the transcendental etudes.

Given the relatively few people who have played either (your criteria - I'd have required both if anything), how did this become a "well known fact"?
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Reply #11 on: September 24, 2014, 01:51:58 AM
Given the relatively few people who have played either (your criteria - I'd have required both if anything), how did this become a "well known fact"?
look up an information regarding these sets of etudes and you will see it there hence why there are two different sets for each the paganini and transcendental.

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #12 on: September 24, 2014, 01:53:52 AM
Given the relatively few people who have played either (your criteria - I'd have required both if anything), how did this become a "well known fact"?

The Transcendental Études (French: Études d'exécution transcendante), S.139, are a series of twelve compositions for solo piano by Franz Liszt. They were published in 1852 as a revision of a more technically difficult 1837 series, which in turn were the elaboration of a set of studies written in 1826.

The pieces are all based on the compositions of Niccolò Paganini for violin, and are among the most technically demanding pieces in the piano literature (especially the original versions, before Liszt revised them, thinning the textures and removing some of the more outrageous technical difficulties). The pieces run the gamut of technical hurdles, and frequently require very large stretches by the performer of an eleventh (although all stretches greater than a tenth were removed from the revised versions).

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #13 on: September 24, 2014, 01:55:06 AM
look up an information regarding these sets of etudes and you will see it there hence why there are two different sets for each the paganini and transcendental.

There are actually three of the TEs, and four (not counting the orchestral one) of Mazeppa.

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #14 on: September 24, 2014, 01:59:47 AM
The Transcendental Études (French: Études d'exécution transcendante), S.139, are a series of twelve compositions for solo piano by Franz Liszt. They were published in 1852 as a revision of a more technically difficult 1837 series, which in turn were the elaboration of a set of studies written in 1826.

The pieces are all based on the compositions of Niccolò Paganini for violin, and are among the most technically demanding pieces in the piano literature (especially the original versions, before Liszt revised them, thinning the textures and removing some of the more outrageous technical difficulties). The pieces run the gamut of technical hurdles, and frequently require very large stretches by the performer of an eleventh (although all stretches greater than a tenth were removed from the revised versions).

Ah, Wikipedia!

For clarity, your first paragraph relates to the TEs, your second to the Paganini's.

Personally, I'd have though a quick look at the scores would have been a better direction to establish your point. I'm not, as it happens, disagreeing with you on that.
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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #15 on: September 24, 2014, 02:49:02 AM
I have looked at both sets of Paganini etudes. All earlier versions are harder than the later ones except La Campanella. The harder La Campanellas are the long fantasies (as La Clochette.) Leslie Howard recorded three versions.

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #16 on: September 24, 2014, 05:03:09 AM
Actually the La Campanella is getting more and more easy in each version.
Grand fantasia version undoubtedly the most creepy one,
the the first version of PE,
the Campanella we play nowadays certainly is the easiest.
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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #17 on: September 25, 2014, 01:18:17 AM
Yeah, I don't agree.

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #18 on: September 26, 2014, 03:37:01 AM
Yeah, I don't agree.
maybe you should try both version then you can get the conclusion.
I learn both of them years ago, the first version of la campanella is extremely creepy, that it focus more on left hand. combine the both difficult left and right hand just drive one crazy.
 I don't mean the final version is easy, but left hand surely make it easier to learn.
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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #19 on: September 26, 2014, 03:47:03 AM
I have looked at both sets of Paganini etudes

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Re: Favorite Liszt études?
Reply #20 on: September 26, 2014, 03:52:21 AM
Which TE is the hardest? The Feux Follets?
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