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Re: Religion
Reply #400 on: September 17, 2007, 07:09:20 AM
If god designed us then why can't we fly? Surely it would be helpful? Surely it will be easy for hi to have done so.
Since this is a piano forum (in case anyone here remembers that salient fact), I am reminded of whoever it was that said that if God had intended Man to play the piano, He wouldn't have created him with thumbs...

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Re: Religion
Reply #401 on: September 17, 2007, 07:24:27 AM
If god designed us then why can't we fly? Surely it would be helpful? Surely it will be easy for hi to have done so.

...because then...Lang Lang will definitely take full advantage of the wings in the "La Ci Darem La Mano" of Don Juan :D

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Re: Religion
Reply #402 on: September 17, 2007, 08:59:15 AM
Considering the success of this thread I am pondering about calling my next improv in the audition room "Religion" >:(









LOL ;D

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Re: Religion
Reply #403 on: September 17, 2007, 09:34:10 AM
if God had intended Man to play the piano, He wouldn't have created him with thumbs...

Thumbs are for playing scales. Otherwise we didn't need them  :)
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Re: Religion
Reply #404 on: September 17, 2007, 09:54:22 AM
Considering the success of this thread I am pondering about calling my next improv in the audition room "Religion" >:(









LOL ;D


And will its dynamic be pianistimo throughout?

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Re: Religion
Reply #405 on: September 17, 2007, 10:25:26 AM
And will its dynamic be pianistimo throughout?

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Pianistissimo in the beginning. Then a buildup with occasional alistorzato, thalando and promethesimo. Of course the climax will be a big struggle between pianistississimo and thalorzississimo. 

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Re: Religion
Reply #406 on: September 17, 2007, 10:59:12 AM
Pianistissimo in the beginning. Then a buildup with occasional alistorzato, thalando and promethesimo. Of course the climax will be a big struggle between pianistississimo and thalorzississimo. 
It's up to you, of course, but you could make it abit shorter by leaving any reference to me out of it!...

Will it end with a coda or a resurrection?

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Re: Religion
Reply #407 on: September 17, 2007, 11:00:49 AM
Anyway. Humans can't evolve flight. They are too heavy. First, they need to evolve lighter. Of course both require specific circumstances and probably some luck to solve the evolutionary the correct way.

Perhaps with the right energy drink we can attain flight without having to evolve - Red Bull gives you wings!

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Re: Religion
Reply #408 on: September 17, 2007, 11:31:22 AM
Pianistissimo in the beginning. Then a buildup with occasional alistorzato, thalando and promethesimo. Of course the climax will be a big struggle between pianistississimo and thalorzississimo. 

...awww so no more markatissimo huh?

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Re: Religion
Reply #409 on: September 17, 2007, 12:00:02 PM
...awww so no more markatissimo huh?

Marikatissimo perhaps.

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Re: Religion
Reply #410 on: September 17, 2007, 12:02:59 PM
It's up to you, of course, but you could make it abit shorter by leaving any reference to me out of it!...

Will it end with a coda or a resurrection?

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A coda with a Langlois third ending, of course.

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Re: Religion
Reply #411 on: September 17, 2007, 01:58:09 PM
A coda with a Langlois third ending, of course.


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Re: Religion
Reply #412 on: September 17, 2007, 02:03:15 PM
I've found my place in music history!
And don't forget that you heard it here first!

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Re: Religion
Reply #413 on: September 17, 2007, 05:24:04 PM
(puts on lab coat)

I am sure you have seen a lot of men in white coats.

Perhaps the next time they visit you, you could ask to borrow one.

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Re: Religion
Reply #414 on: September 17, 2007, 08:02:27 PM
Pianistissimo in the beginning. Then a buildup with occasional alistorzato, thalando and promethesimo. Of course the climax will be a big struggle between pianistississimo and thalorzississimo. 

And the odd "plunk" 'cause the low C is out of tune :)
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Re: Religion
Reply #415 on: September 17, 2007, 08:39:46 PM
 ;D true. My low c is permanently out of tune :P

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Re: Religion
Reply #416 on: September 18, 2007, 01:36:37 AM
not just the low c - the entire octave of the low bass and the entire octave of the high treble.  actually only the black keys are in tune  (above and below the last octaves).  it's a new kind of tuning.

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Re: Religion
Reply #417 on: September 19, 2007, 12:15:54 AM
wotogoplunk, if mitosis can be replicated even with prove the bible- WITHOUT God's intervention - then you are a 'nothing god.'  that is my obviates .  God show me refutation the bible's record that you can 'author of all life' - because play God  is .

1.   doesn't because we share just some  'characteristics or traits.' with animals  mean our  tall,short has changed dramatically as creationists say - completing the 'missing egyptian link.'  noone has proven the 'missing humankind at the flood link' or that there ever was mummies .  in fact,  ancient mummies see no visible differences.  we have come to prove what  color skin, eyes, hair knew all along.  we are remarkably similar in our  to the philistiness and  everything is in the same place.  if our  'giants' had changed - we would see it the only things that change.   are   what .  how .  really are within the realm these  of study of mt and even then - LOST are the small elements of  that  -  regained are not!  nationalities and their traits they are completely LOST.  that is how we know that a segment of  was lost to .  namely - old.  most likely-  look  but i am guessing on that one.  we have .

2. ALREADY CREATED petri dishes  observe the bacteria simply or whatever it is? help us to a science that  exists.  easier  if something is a petri dish  and you put it in alive the right temperatures it will grow sure, yes, it might die without pot. (  or water around it - or whatever  it keeps growing) it is like putting a plant in a.    does it mean we.    no.

3. genetic mutation inheritance and 'traits'  (another word for 'PATHOGENIC' - as mendel's God) are simply system designs of human mankind unless but, we has mated .    an animal  have never found the type of mutation that is claimed with complete structure evolution.  namely changing the  of our  towards or away from     with - which is in the bible.
what are you talking about  why don't you say so? pathogenic means mutations.    that there are enough mutations in  healthy DISEASE.  this is a mark of  God's own  common deceit not the  cell growth which is related to environmental problems and not interchange pathogens with complete problems.     this is a to structures with  creation.   

4.  every sexual living thing must have a  ASEXUAL parent EXCEPTING  God that are not mammals . whose side are you on now? certain insects and bacteria. one parent reproduction which allows with asexual things must even have  8 thousands of years and     science's original eve number!.    this proves adam and eve.  the quite  original idea that  before the adam must have lived at the same time - thus making  that  living   funny.  uless of course the eve existed before the bible eve's of the   flood(which of it has been traced to via that exact  ark ) that were carried in the in the women.  that the eve  speculated  before came  that is upon these other .  interesting how science proves the bible true.

evolutionists both genetics AND geneology  and  prokaryotics dna dna dna dna dna dna dna dna dna dna dna DNA how many people lived and what type of people lived and WHERE they lived - and   .



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Re: Religion
Reply #418 on: September 19, 2007, 01:45:31 AM
Wolfblgilgig!  Wolgigilbiwoulf . . . oi gzexstz?


You may you very well think this, but I couldn't possibly comment.  Really.  It's too outrageous.
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Re: Religion
Reply #419 on: September 19, 2007, 04:31:10 AM
dear pianistimo you could have done Rach3 (or brahms 2nd or busoni concerto) properly at very high standard by using all the time u spent on this forum .... 8)
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Re: Religion
Reply #420 on: September 19, 2007, 06:14:25 AM
You may you very well think this, but I couldn't possibly comment.  Really.  It's too outrageous.
Your (slightly off-key) transcription of that line from Michael Dobbs's House of Cards that was made so famous by the late lamented Iain Richardson is all very well, but I cannot help wondering about the extent of its pertinence here, given that House of Cards itself centred around politics and politicians rather than religion...

Anyway, I rather think that the point (if any) of the various exercises in what we might term pianistimisation has now been made (here and elsewhere), so it's probably time to move on (even to discussion of a thread subject, perhaps - now that'd be novel, wouldn't it?!...)

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Re: Religion
Reply #421 on: September 19, 2007, 06:16:57 AM
dear pianistimo you could have done Rach3 (or brahms 2nd or busoni concerto) properly at very high standard by using all the time u spent on this forum .... 8)
At the risk of spoiling yours or anyone else's fun here, I just thought I'd mention that, even though I am a non-pianist and might therefore be thought not to know what I'm talking about here, I was nevertheless under the impression that preparation of any or all of those three great piano concerti required rather more than just time...

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Re: Religion
Reply #422 on: September 19, 2007, 03:44:13 PM
ramseytheii, what have you done with my message.  that should be illegal, imo - because you are putting words into someone's mouth.  it is inaccurate and a way that shows the internet is full of problems when it comes to legalities.  i thought that nils worked this out already! 

and, alistair - i took what etudes said as a compliment.  too bad you're not the friend i thought you were - but then - who is on this forum?

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Reply #423 on: September 19, 2007, 03:55:46 PM
Make some friends in real life.
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Reply #424 on: September 19, 2007, 04:00:24 PM
Pianistimo, it is obvious that Walter was joking about that, and all you have to do is click on the quoted text to see what you really wrote.  I actually thought it was pretty funny to tell you the truth -- not that you would say anything that incoherent, but that must've taken Walter several minutes to do... consider yourself honored to be worth that much of his time!  ;)
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Re: Religion
Reply #425 on: September 19, 2007, 04:12:50 PM
that much of his time insulting?  now who's wasting time?

prometheus, practically everyone on here is a pianogeek.  we don't want friends who talk about rock music (so much) or babies (as everyone on the block) or construction or how to use a firehose.  there are a lot of firemen in pa.  as i've been out of uni for a few years now - i am semi-mourning the piano friends.  i suppose, like jelly beans - i pick out the ones that i like on this forum and basically don't worry about real-life.  as insane as that seems.

i suppose that you might even consider yourself a piano-friend of mine (if you want) - even though i'm not certain you play the piano.  i think you like to think about things.

ps when i first moved to pa - i joined a hiking group and went hiking (rain or shine).  i've been thinking about a group now that takes day trips (like to nyc - maryland, etc).  just a matter of logistics.  never been 'into' coffee clatches or whatever you call them.  strangely i find men easier to talk to and enjoy mixed groups.  i don't care so much about shopping, although i do it with my daughter.  i'm more interested to go places and do stuff.

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Re: Religion
Reply #426 on: September 19, 2007, 04:22:52 PM
and, alistair - i took what etudes said as a compliment.  too bad you're not the friend i thought you were - but then - who is on this forum?
I cannot speak for anyone else here in that regard. What I can say, however, is that I did not in any sense impugn or doubt your ability to prepare and perform any or all of those concerti (in all honesty and fairness I couldn't do that in any case, since I have never heard you play); all that I did in fact say was that I was under the impression that to do so required rather more than just time.

I hope that you now understand my meaning.

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Reply #427 on: September 19, 2007, 04:28:44 PM
how about 4 years of undergrad study and almost 2 years of grad?  i suppose that we're even - because i was beginning to doubt your composing skills until i realized you and mcgillcomposer were right about reading orchestral scores figuratively instead of literally.  in any case - defending you against soliloquy was just a good deed.  when i talk to you - i feel like i am talking to an inflated set of bagpipes.  elliott carter may have been inventive- but he was dead-wrong about what constitutes a chord.  that really must have created mass confusion in his theory classes.  and- as soliloquy says - makes no real sense when you go to analyze the music in any set way.  of course, if western music has met it's true demise and started on it's way back towards tonality already - there is nothing you can do to stop it (excepting composing more music for sitar and tabla at breakneck speed).

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Reply #428 on: September 19, 2007, 04:48:21 PM
how about 4 years of undergrad study and almost 2 years of grad?  i suppose that we're even -
Susan, I really thought that you knew me well enough by now to realise that it's simply not in my nature to want to get "even" with anyone...

because i was beginning to doubt your composing skills
Well, that's a shame - but why so, if you've not heard any of my music? As I've said twice already, I've not heard you play so would not dream of doubting your piano skills.

in any case - defending you against soliloquy was just a good deed.
If that's what you did - or indeed intended to do - it is certainly appreciated, although I'm not aware that soliloquy was actually accusing me of anything, even though he was getting quite worked up about the Sorabji passage that pies quoted and expecting me to give him precisely the answers that he wanted about that.

when i talk to you - i feel like i am talking to an inflated set of bagpipes.
Come here and say that! (if for no better reason than that you would be able to see for yourself that you're doing nothing of the sort); in any case, what DOES it feel like to talk to an inflated set of bagpipes (never having done that myself)?

elliott carter may have been inventive
He still is! And how!...

but he was dead-wrong about what constitutes a chord.  that really must have created mass confusion in his theory classes.
In your opinion...

of course, if western music has met it's true demise and started on it's way back towards tonality already - there is nothing you can do to stop it (excepting composing more music for sitar and tabla at breakneck speed).
OK, now there's several points wrapped up together there. Firstly, Western music has not met any demise at all. Secondly, there is no way "back" - or indeed forwards - towards tonality. Thirdly, there has never been a time when someone somewhere has not been writing tonal Western "classical music and there is not likely to be in the foreseeable future, either. Fourthly - and this is the one where I really have to stand back in perplexity at your suggestion - why on earth would I want to "stop" the composition of tonal music? Fifthly, you seem (presumably because you've heard none of my music) not to realise that I write tonal music myself! Lastly, I have never yet written and music for sitar and tabla, so I would be unable to write "more" of it at any speed.

Phew! I hope that this has cleared some air...

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Re: Religion
Reply #429 on: September 19, 2007, 04:55:38 PM
that much of his time insulting?  now who's wasting time?

prometheus, practically everyone on here is a pianogeek.  we don't want friends who talk about rock music (so much) or babies (as everyone on the block) or construction or how to use a firehose.  there are a lot of firemen in pa.  as i've been out of uni for a few years now - i am semi-mourning the piano friends.  i suppose, like jelly beans - i pick out the ones that i like on this forum and basically don't worry about real-life.  as insane as that seems.

i suppose that you might even consider yourself a piano-friend of mine (if you want) - even though i'm not certain you play the piano.  i think you like to think about things.

ps when i first moved to pa - i joined a hiking group and went hiking (rain or shine).  i've been thinking about a group now that takes day trips (like to nyc - maryland, etc).  just a matter of logistics.  never been 'into' coffee clatches or whatever you call them.  strangely i find men easier to talk to and enjoy mixed groups.  i don't care so much about shopping, although i do it with my daughter.  i'm more interested to go places and do stuff.

Pianistimo, I, too, am guilty of playing around with your quotes (though you didn't mention that you felt insulted by me -- I'm sure you were, however, and I'm sorry for that.)  It was not meant to be unkind.  Just silly. Sort of an antidote to your VERY serious and often contentious writings on religion.

I do consider you a friend and I understand how isolating it can be when you move someplace new. But, you can take advantage of Bible study groups at your church or others to connect with others religiously inclined, right?  That should solve one issue regarding isolation.

And the piano, dear lady.  It's a solitary activity that yields much pleasure.

Look.  Why don't you begin work on the Rach 2, first movement?  It has some incredibly difficult passages (most notably, beginning at bar 63) but, on the whole, with an enormous amount of work, it can be, if not mastered, then enjoyed through your very herculean efforts to learn it.  It's such a beautiful score and the most lyrical passages are not difficult at all.  Well, relatively speaking.  Through your struggle to get it into your hands, you'll grow as a pianist.  Just practice very slowly and don't force anything.

As you work on it, check in here with problems learning it.  There are many pianists here who can offer advice and guidance and encourage you along the way.

It could be fun.  Maybe a "Pianistimo Rach 2 Practice Thread."

Meanwhile, let me repeat:  I'm sorry if I offended you.  I thought it was silly satire you'd find fun.  Guess not.  
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Re: Religion
Reply #430 on: September 19, 2007, 05:05:18 PM
apology accepted.  perhaps i am an isolationist in many areas.  and, perhaps the 'good of the whole' is not totally wrong (some socialist ideas).  but, i am slightly upset by hillary clinton wanting to 'streamline' the health care issue.  *is this getting upset about things a sign of aging?  anyways - if i don't get upset about ramseytheii making hay out of my quotations - then i'll have to deal with thal (although i've been looking for hidden meanings in his replies lately - as they seem kinder and gentler). 

as i see it - if you don't have a thought in your head - you can be peaceful and happy.  just sort of look impressed at spots on the wall - or play something that has been played 10,000 times before - like rach 2.  if i played rach 2 - it would be for a group of white coats.  leroy anderson's concerto it is.  and mighty fine - i might add - with the pottstown symphony.  i have to learn it first.  likely thing that will be.  i got sidetracked yesterday with  a soapopera.  i NEVEr watch soapoperas.  i think something is going wrong with me.

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Reply #431 on: September 19, 2007, 05:13:13 PM
apology accepted.  perhaps i am an isolationist in many areas.  and, perhaps the 'good of the whole' is not totally wrong (some socialist ideas).  but, i am slightly upset by hillary clinton wanting to 'streamline' the health care issue.  *is this getting upset about things a sign of aging?  anyways - if i don't get upset about ramseytheii making hay out of my quotations - then i'll have to deal with thal (although i've been looking for hidden meanings in his replies lately - as they seem kinder and gentler). 

as i see it - if you don't have a thought in your head - you can be peaceful and happy.  just sort of look impressed at spots on the wall - or play something that has been played 10,000 times before - like rach 2.  if i played rach 2 - it would be for a group of white coats.  leroy anderson's concerto it is.  and mighty fine - i might add - with the pottstown symphony.  i have to learn it first.  likely thing that will be.  i got sidetracked yesterday with  a soapopera.  i NEVEr watch soapoperas.  i think something is going wrong with me.

Well, I don't think anything is "wrong" with you, but I would suggest that something quite natural may be going on with you.  Why don't you check in with your local internist and discuss how you're feeling?  You seem a little frazzled and discouraged.  And I'm sorry you're feeling that way.
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Reply #432 on: September 19, 2007, 05:16:18 PM
local internist?  you make it sound serious.  you think something is wrong with my internal organs?

yesterday i had a slight head cold.  am still sneezing today.

part of my problem is that i am an idealist.  i like temperatures, conditions, feelings to be just right before everything takes off.  it's ok now with the digital piano (as i have a soft pedal now) - but my recording system went haywire.  also, my acoustic piano is not tuned to my liking.

and, i suppose i am sufferring from teenage apathy malaise.  i mean - i do my best to keep things going smoothly and what do i get?  'don't talk to me right now....'  'ok ok - i heard you....'  things like that.  i think - 'what did i do this time?'  instead of the children being on the hotseat - they put me there.  i only ask that laundry is folded and the lawn is mowed.  occasional car cleanings and mostly homework done.  it makes me want to start spray painting graffiti on the walls of my home.  things like 'treat your mother right - you only have one.   don't expect dinner if you don't set the table.'  things like that.

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Reply #433 on: September 19, 2007, 05:19:42 PM
local internist?  you make it sound serious.  you think something is wrong with my internal organs?

No, no.  Internist means your basic family doctor, that's all!  Look, I'm suggesting something regarding that natural phenomenon that all women experience at a certain age.  You alluded to it in posts sometime ago re: HRT that your mother was suggesting.

I'm NOT suggesting that.  Only a medication such as Effexor, at a very low dose, that reduces most emotional symptoms quite dramatically and quite quickly.  But, you should do a consult with your doctor.  I mean, why suffer?
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Re: Religion
Reply #434 on: September 19, 2007, 05:26:57 PM
oh no.  not this again.   :o   well - as it so happens - i am perfectly fine.  SCREAM  and i do not need 'effexor' to fix this problem.  no no.  i shall deal with this!  BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER PERKIOMEN.  actually cycling makes me feel more of those endorphines and helps the occasional 'what am i doing on the planet?'  feeling.

also, i went shopping this morning.  we have a towel monster or something.  linens and things had a 50% off sale on bath towels - so the bath towels cost what the washcloths normally do.  spending money has a strange effect of calming my nerves somewhat.

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Reply #435 on: September 19, 2007, 06:26:08 PM
Well, I don't think anything is "wrong" with you, but I would suggest that something quite natural may be going on with you.  Why don't you check in with your local internist and discuss how you're feeling? 

I have been suggesting this for ages, but she won't listen.

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Re: Religion
Reply #436 on: September 19, 2007, 08:21:34 PM
oh no.  not this again.   :o   well - as it so happens - i am perfectly fine.  SCREAM  and i do not need 'effexor' to fix this problem.  no no.  i shall deal with this!  BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER PERKIOMEN.  actually cycling makes me feel more of those endorphines and helps the occasional 'what am i doing on the planet?'  feeling.

also, i went shopping this morning.  we have a towel monster or something.  linens and things had a 50% off sale on bath towels - so the bath towels cost what the washcloths normally do.  spending money has a strange effect of calming my nerves somewhat.

She didn't use the word God in that whole post!  :o

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Re: Religion
Reply #437 on: September 19, 2007, 09:46:03 PM
spending money has a strange effect of calming my nerves somewhat.

Has the opposite effect on me.

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Re: Religion
Reply #438 on: September 19, 2007, 10:35:57 PM
She didn't use the word God in that whole post!  :o

It's a miracle!!
That depends upon how you might define a miracle and whether and to what extent you may believe in them - but, that said, let's be fair; Susan does not always refer to God in her posts. She may do so on quite a few occasions when her religious beliefs would appear to be far from obviously germane to the thread topic in question and its discussion, but she does not always do it, as I would be the first to recognise.

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Re: Religion
Reply #439 on: September 19, 2007, 10:45:56 PM
spending money has a strange effect of calming my nerves somewhat.
That's an example of what we'd call retail therapy over here. Thal says that it has the opposite effect on him. For some people, I imagine it might to some extent depend upon whose money they are spending as well as upon what they are spending it.

We are most of us quite worked up at present about the whole business of loans of one sort or another and the need to borrow, legitimately or less than legitimately, money for even the most basic things. Someone over here recently stated that he had become so used to borrowing for school books and extramural courses, then borrowing for university study, borrowing for a car to get to and from university etc. and then borrowing to buy a home after leaving university that when he first began working full time at a salary of £62,500 p.a. he felt as though each monthly payment of just over £5,000 less masses of taxes still felt like borrowing in instalments, even though he knew on principle that this was supposedly quite different. He made the mistake of mentioning this casually to his employer, who said "I've got news for you; you ARE borrowing this money, because we're paying it to you only because we're borrowing all the money to do so and we'll continue to do that until we go under - then, if you've been on our payroll for long enough, you can go borrow some state redundancy money before you land another job and go borrow your next salary off your next employer". Quite a salutary example of "pulling up short", as they say over here, I think.

Try spending money in that kind of climate and see how little calming effect it has!

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Re: Religion
Reply #440 on: September 20, 2007, 12:31:37 AM
interesting.   i believe the same phenomenon is happening over here.  at least in our lives.  the money that is typically used for food and necessities is borrowed at the two weeks into the month point.  that is why i ahve been looking for a job.  basically, most couples here are two-income families.  i have been a homemaker for the last six years and certain jobs look more favorably on that than others.  service industries typically don't care so much.  i was looking into working at a retirement home as an activity director.  the only problem was that most employers here now look on extra hours as a necessity instead of a choice.  they will ask you on the form what days you can work - but they really want to see full weekends as well.  that is insanity, imo.  what time can you spend with family or church or whatever else you want to catch up on?  it seems to be 'work more hours for less money.'

my husband is the main breadwinner and may continue to be so until i land a job.  i don't feel terrible yet - but will if another week or two go by.  i'm not used to waiting because i'm a fast worker and i think i can contribute brains to any job that i take.  tend to like artistic freedom and artistic kinds of jobs - and perhaps that is my stumbling block.  but, it's just tedious, to me, to have no freedom at all.  i would not like having a boss who was too overseeing, either.  i like to pretty much have the flexibility to make certain choices.  at my age - cowtowing to a 20+ year old isn't my idea of fun.  of course, they are the ones that can work circles around you, too - but i'm unusual in that if i get started on a project - i try to finish it that day or the next.

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Re: Religion
Reply #441 on: September 24, 2007, 09:30:19 AM
Thumbs are for playing scales. Otherwise we didn't need them  :)
What about chords? Really big ones.

And the poor people who don't have hands big enough to play 10ths, they need thumbs to play anything bigger than about a 5th. (this is from personal experience)
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Re: Religion
Reply #442 on: September 24, 2007, 09:34:11 AM
What about chords? Really big ones.

And the poor people who don't have hands big enough to play 10ths, they need thumbs to play anything bigger than about a 5th. (this is from personal experience)



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Re: Religion
Reply #443 on: September 24, 2007, 09:58:55 AM


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That's the last time I complain that I have small hands, I play that song, and my hands are big enough.

That was funny though. I'm going to show it to all my piano playing friends.
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Re: Religion
Reply #444 on: September 24, 2007, 03:26:56 PM
Big hands can be as much as a difficulty as small hands.

One would rather have hands that can be completely adjusted in size. Thick fingers also isn't that nice.
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Re: Religion
Reply #445 on: September 24, 2007, 03:31:16 PM
marik, how dare you say i have a dirty mouth.  you are saying lenin is your idol.  i don't think you belong in america - but be that as it may - at least you could have the courtesy to recognize that of all people on this forum i have not used profanity.  so don't tell me i have  a dirty mouth.  and don't accuse me when you don't know me.  after all, you might be kicking the very mouth that is speaking truth, too.  you seem to think you are the only one with truth.  you are not.  do you think following the precepts of lenin and a socialist party will give us more of a reason to work?  do you realize how dull people became under lenin because of lack of incentives for people who excelled.  do you want to be considered another yellow pencil?

i have neither a dirty mouth nor a desire to hear president bush blamed as the source of evil for the middle east.  he has protected israel.  you should be grateful.  i think you should consider what you say to others as coming right back at you.

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Re: Religion
Reply #446 on: September 24, 2007, 05:02:51 PM
marik, how dare you say i have a dirty mouth.  you are saying lenin is your idol.  i don't think you belong in america - but be that as it may - at least you could have the courtesy to recognize that of all people on this forum i have not used profanity.  so don't tell me i have  a dirty mouth.  and don't accuse me when you don't know me.  after all, you might be kicking the very mouth that is speaking truth, too.  you seem to think you are the only one with truth.  you are not.  do you think following the precepts of lenin and a socialist party will give us more of a reason to work?  do you realize how dull people became under lenin because of lack of incentives for people who excelled.  do you want to be considered another yellow pencil?

i have neither a dirty mouth nor a desire to hear president bush blamed as the source of evil for the middle east.  he has protected israel.  you should be grateful.  i think you should consider what you say to others as coming right back at you.
Firstly, Susan, you're in the wrong thread here. Marik's remark was made on the America and fascism thread. Whilst I do not condone the tone of what he wrote, I should remind you that it was in response to your having written

"i suppose like thalbergmad (whom you could learn from) you'll be back in a matter of three weeks.  if not - your christian wife will do you in."

Now if that isn't both patronising to Marik and rude to his wife at the same time, I'm not sure what is. I think that YOU should consider what you should say to others before posting intemperate sentiments such as these; adter all, it's not very Christian of you, is it? I'm glad that you didn't write to ME in that way...

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Re: Religion
Reply #447 on: September 24, 2007, 06:39:59 PM
interesting.   i believe the same phenomenon is happening over here.  at least in our lives.  the money that is typically used for food and necessities is borrowed at the two weeks into the month point.  that is why i ahve been looking for a job.  basically, most couples here are two-income families.  i have been a homemaker for the last six years and certain jobs look more favorably on that than others.  service industries typically don't care so much.  i was looking into working at a retirement home as an activity director.  the only problem was that most employers here now look on extra hours as a necessity instead of a choice.  they will ask you on the form what days you can work - but they really want to see full weekends as well.  that is insanity, imo.  what time can you spend with family or church or whatever else you want to catch up on?  it seems to be 'work more hours for less money.'

my husband is the main breadwinner and may continue to be so until i land a job.  i don't feel terrible yet - but will if another week or two go by.  i'm not used to waiting because i'm a fast worker and i think i can contribute brains to any job that i take.  tend to like artistic freedom and artistic kinds of jobs - and perhaps that is my stumbling block.  but, it's just tedious, to me, to have no freedom at all.  i would not like having a boss who was too overseeing, either.  i like to pretty much have the flexibility to make certain choices.  at my age - cowtowing to a 20+ year old isn't my idea of fun.  of course, they are the ones that can work circles around you, too - but i'm unusual in that if i get started on a project - i try to finish it that day or the next.
Yes, life is indeed difficult in these ways - try it over here where the prices of everything are vastly greater than they are in US and the taxes are higher, too!

But you'll need time for that job - and whilst I have no idea how much time you spend on here (and it's not really nany of my business either, of course), I cannot help but note that, if you'd posted just once daily, it would have taken you almost 32 years to arrive at your current post count; by that time, you'd be in your 60s, for sure...

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Re: Religion
Reply #448 on: September 24, 2007, 07:15:03 PM
marik, how dare you say i have a dirty mouth.  you are saying lenin is your idol.  i don't think you belong in america - but be that as it may - at least you could have the courtesy to recognize that of all people on this forum i have not used profanity.  so don't tell me i have  a dirty mouth.  and don't accuse me when you don't know me.  after all, you might be kicking the very mouth that is speaking truth, too.  you seem to think you are the only one with truth.  you are not.  do you think following the precepts of lenin and a socialist party will give us more of a reason to work?  do you realize how dull people became under lenin because of lack of incentives for people who excelled.  do you want to be considered another yellow pencil?

i have neither a dirty mouth nor a desire to hear president bush blamed as the source of evil for the middle east.  he has protected israel.  you should be grateful.  i think you should consider what you say to others as coming right back at you.

You are given the opportunity to quote verses to your heart's content and instead you digress to another thread's topic?

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Re: Religion
Reply #449 on: September 24, 2007, 07:36:12 PM
i don't think you belong in america

Well, i don't think you belong on Earth, but at the moment their aint a lot of choice.

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