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Reply #150 on: May 10, 2011, 05:26:51 PM
I did not go to gym today, but I did fill up 15 crisp boxes with scores and helped put them in the loft.

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Thal, what are crisp boxes?
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Reply #151 on: May 10, 2011, 05:38:35 PM
They are boxes full of crisps. I don't know how Americans refer to them, but they are not very healthy.

When the crisps have been consumed, I chuck a load of books in the boxes and put it in the loft.

I have been banned from keeping books in the living room ???

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Reply #152 on: May 10, 2011, 07:34:53 PM
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Reply #153 on: May 10, 2011, 07:38:09 PM
I like having books strewn over the place.

Mummy does not ;D

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Reply #154 on: May 10, 2011, 10:55:28 PM
I can't post my abs.  It's in my modelling contract.  Imagine chiseled abs... (That's what they could be at least).... and then coat those precious abs in a protective layer of cellulite. 

I wouldn't follow that Costco book m1469.  You're supposed to eat less as the day goes on. There's less active time to digest the food and use the energy.  If you eat more for supper, what's not used turns into fat.


I think crisps might be potato chips.
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Reply #155 on: May 11, 2011, 02:40:36 AM
I can't post my abs.  It's in my modelling contract.  Imagine chiseled abs... (That's what they could be at least).... and then coat those precious abs in a protective layer of cellulite.  

I wouldn't follow that Costco book m1469.  You're supposed to eat less as the day goes on. There's less active time to digest the food and use the energy.  If you eat more for supper, what's not used turns into fat.


I think crisps might be potato chips.

Bob, I don't go by that "rule" except once in awhile I feel like doing that ... and, that's generally not how people eat.  There's loads and loads of "rules" out there, I'm not following rules, exactly, I'm borrowing structural ideas that fit my personality and my lifestyle.  So far, when I have worked with this structure that I outlined before, it really works very well for me.  Besides, I think you're just being a contrarian.
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Reply #156 on: May 11, 2011, 03:30:04 AM
Besides, I think you're just being a contrarian.

Am not.   ::)

I'm not.  You're supposed to eat less and less as the day goes.  Eat breakfast like a king.  Lunch like a prince.  Supper like a pauper.  If you eat a lot just before bed there's much less chance to use the calories.  If you ate the food at the beginning of the day, you've got the rest of the day to burn off those calories.


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Reply #157 on: May 11, 2011, 04:08:14 AM
Yeah, and you're also "supposed" to eat only raw food.  Or only vegan.  Or no meat that had legs.  Or maybe vegetarian.  But don't eat too much soy.  Or maybe you should eat only every other day.  Or maybe some balanced mixture of everything.  Or maybe just one meal a day.  Or maybe it should all be blended.  Maybe you should eat only meats and proteins.  Or maybe six little meals throughout the day.  Or only three with no snacks in between.  And, you should cut out sugar ... or at least certain kinds.  Oh, and same with fat and carbs, too. etc. etc.  Come to think of it, you shouldn't eat anything at all, actually.  Food is evil itself.  If you sin and eat it, throw it up.

I think I'll stick to what has been working for me. 

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Reply #158 on: May 11, 2011, 06:39:49 AM
And don't forget ice cream late at night. :)
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Reply #159 on: May 11, 2011, 08:18:32 AM
I like having books strewn over the place.

Mummy does not ;D

Thal
I know that one.... I like to have all the CDs and books I am interested in at any one moment ready to grab. Pile here, pile there...
Problem is, putting them away aint easy. Book shelves: groaning (can't collapse though, as long as the rungs below stay as full as they are). Table: chockablock. Various closets: inside full, top loaded almost to the ceiling. Loft: as much as I dare without creating a serious war.
"What do you ever want to do with all that junk!!??". <sigh> :P

As for shape, let's say I have one. Some are build for speed, some for comfort. I call mine aerodynamic.  ;D

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Reply #160 on: May 11, 2011, 09:01:39 PM
Okay, for today, I post so far how it goes.  Yesterday's eating was good, though I stayed under 1200 calories yesterday -- I feel OK, though.

Tricep lift:  20 lbs.

Still need a walk

Breaky:  Oatmeals  (300)
Lunch:   Tofu/black bean burrito and salad (300ish)
Snack:  Fiber Plus bar  (130)
Snack:  Apple and 1T. PB  (180)
Snack:  Fruit Roll (50)
Dinner:  Fish and sweet potato (200)
More Dinner:  Pasta  (300)

Total:  1460
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Reply #161 on: May 11, 2011, 11:24:15 PM
If you're continually eating less than a thousand calories a day, you have to be starving.  I think 1500 cal/day is low.  1800 is ok.  2000 is ok.  I think.  I haven't thought about it for awhile.  And if you're exercising that's more. 

There's no way you could keep that up.     Although it's "total so far."  I see.  750cal/day would be something like losing a pound a day and feeling very hungry all the time. 


I'm wondering if I'm getting fatter or just flabbier... or both or neither.
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Reply #162 on: May 12, 2011, 02:00:56 AM
And don't forget ice cream late at night. :)

Yeah, and not pizza, either :).

If you're continually eating less than a thousand calories a day, you have to be starving.  I think 1500 cal/day is low.  1800 is ok.  2000 is ok.  I think.  I haven't thought about it for awhile.  And if you're exercising that's more.  

There's no way you could keep that up.     Although it's "total so far."  I see.  750cal/day would be something like losing a pound a day and feeling very hungry all the time.

Well, I'm not eating less than 1000 calories a day at all (anymore), and I'm also not continually eating less than 1500, either, at this point.  It does have to do with vitamins and minerals though, too, and not JUST calorie intake.  I used to be on a diet that was vitamin and mineral fortified, and you'd eat 5 powdered meals (that you make into different things) of about 100 calories each, and then one "Lean and Green" meal of "real" food at about 300 calories.  So, you'd only be eating about 800-900 calories a day, but you're also getting all your vitamins and minerals, and so you're not starving in the same way as if you're not getting those.  You do lose weight quickly with that (same with actually starving yourself, of course, but you actually lose weight even quicker just starving yourself), and though I learned *some* things while doing that, I didn't learn what I really needed to learn to establish lasting habits.  Not to mention that, according to their plan, you have to eat that food at least for part of the day for the rest of your life  ::) (I wonder who's sitting on the top of THAT pyramid?).

Anyhoo, sometimes I do eat less than other times.  Occasionally I lose my appetite and the past couple of days have been like that.  Despite the fact that I ate less than normal yesterday, I wasn't hungry today, either, and had to make myself eat breakfast and lunch, especially.  I ate snacks because I could tell by the way I was functioning that I needed more food.  Overall, though, I'm definitely aiming to be pretty consistent, that's the main goal with any of this, actually.  Yes, I'd like to be more comfortable in my skin, but I see that as a natural consequence of establishing good and consistent habits.  I'm not perfect with my habits and consistency, but I'm getting there, I really think.

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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #163 on: May 12, 2011, 03:07:00 PM
Today so far:

Weights:

Leg Curl:  35 lbs.  |||
Bench:    85 lbs.   |||
Squats:  105 lbs.  |||
Situps:  100  ||||

Food:

Breaky:  Oatmeals  (300)
Lunch:  Apple+PB (180) and salad (200)
Snack:  Fiber Plus bar (130)
Snack:  Fiber Plus bar (130)
Dinner:  Brown rice with stir-fried vegetables and curried chicken (400)

Total:  1340
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Reply #164 on: May 13, 2011, 06:08:04 PM
Today so far:

Brisk, longish walk (SO nice)
Tricep:  20 lbs. (getting ready for more weight) |||

Food (today is an actually hungry day):

Breaky:  Oatmeals (300)
Snack:  Fiber Plus  (130)
Lunch part 1:  Brown rice with curried chicken  (200)
Lunch part 2:  Apple w/PB (180)
Snack:   :-[ chocolate, chips, a carrot w/ ranch (400ish)
Dinner:  Salad and some cheese and crackers  (400)

Total:  1610
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Reply #165 on: May 14, 2011, 02:13:10 PM
Today so far:

Weights:

Squats:   110 lbs. ♪♪♪
Situps:    125 total/5 sets  ♪♪♪♪
Bench:    85 lbs. ♪♪♪
Leg Curls: 35 lbs. ♪♪♪

Foods:

Breaky:  Oatmeals (300)
Lunch:   Pretty big BBQ chicken fajita. I'm estimating-- perhaps high-- that it's = (400)
Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130)
Snack:   Fruit roll (50)
Dinner:   Dinner roll, small salad, prime rib, potato thing, other vegetable thing (700?) -- this was not something we made!  SO salty!

Total:  1580
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #166 on: May 14, 2011, 08:11:42 PM
Today so far:
Breaky:  Oatmeals (300)
Snack:  Fiber Plus  (130)
Lunch part 1:  Brown rice with curried chicken  (200)
Lunch part 2:  Apple w/PB (180)
Snack:   :-[ chocolate, chips, a carrot w/ ranch (400ish)
Dinner:  Salad and some cheese and crackers  (400)

Total:  1610

Fiber Plus doesn't sound so snackie. :P ;D

Brown rice with curried chicken, sounds good. :)
Can I have some? :)
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Reply #167 on: May 14, 2011, 09:02:25 PM
Fiber Plus doesn't sound so snackie. :P ;D

They are really good, actually :).  They are chocolate PB, and they have fiber plus antioxidants.  I know that not everybody will choose to count calories and such --and for me, there is something much more functional about that than just how many calories there are (but I haven't found it within me to bother explaining all about it yet  :P)-- but, I do find that I actually enjoy my food more these days when it's yummy, but I also know at the same time that it's either directly fairly healthy, or overall part of a balanced diet (so, pie, for example, is good in the right proportions, because we need sugar, etc.).

But, these bars are for me absolutely perfect for the functions they serve!

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Brown rice with curried chicken, sounds good. :)
Can I have some? :)

Yes, sure ... *eats one last bite and hands Goldentone almost all of it*  :)
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Reply #168 on: May 15, 2011, 06:39:53 AM
But, these bars are for me absolutely perfect for the functions they serve!

Yes, sure ... *eats one last bite and hands Goldentone almost all of it*  :)

I found them on Amazon.  They do look yummy. :)

Thank you!  When you're ready, just ask me and I'll whip up my famous New Orleans Steak with cheese and mushrooms and rice.
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Reply #169 on: May 16, 2011, 11:37:23 AM
I found them on Amazon.  They do look yummy. :)

Thank you!  When you're ready, just ask me and I'll whip up my famous New Orleans Steak with cheese and mushrooms and rice.

Thank you, that sounds good!  It might be a little while as red meat isn't exactly on my big desires list of late.  We were "treated" to a prime rib dinner two nights ago and there was such a huge slab of raw-looking meat on my plate (I couldn't eat it all) that I felt like I was in a reality TV show where you have to eat something strange/gross to pass some challenge.  So, hopefully you wouldn't be too offended if mine is a pretty small portion (I like it in small enough portions once in awhile anyway).  I actually did used to eat vegan for a reasonable amount of time, about a year anyway, based on different purposes but one of them being that meat kind of turned my stomach a bit.  I eat meat now, but it's not all too difficult for me to use my imagination while looking at it on my plate, etc..

Yesterday's foods:

Breaky:  Oatmeals  (300)
Lunch:   Some scrambled eggs w/some sausage, an english muffin (400)
Snack:  Some chocolate  (140)
Snack:  FiberPlus bar      (130)
Dinner:  Some masala chicken and green beans, plus a little soup  (400)

Total:  1370  -- Not exactly my ideal menu, but pretty good for traveling and being in a constant rush!

Tricep:  25lbs. ♪♪♪
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Reply #170 on: May 16, 2011, 02:17:03 PM
Today so far:

Food:

Breaky:  Oatmeals  (300)
Lunch:   Lentil and vegetable soup and salad (350)
Snack:   More Lentil soup (150?) -- I think I must be guessing high on the soup b/c I'm still hungry  :P  *drinks LOADS of water*

Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130) and fruit roll (50)
Dinner:   More soup, but this time with a little cheese on it and some crackers on the side (500)

Total:  1490

Weights:

Situps:  125 total/5 sets  ♪♪♪♪
Squats:  110  ♪♪♪
Bench:    85   ♪♪♪
Leg Curl:  32.5  ♪♪♪  (sets of 5)
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Reply #171 on: May 17, 2011, 03:42:50 PM
No more soup, please!  haha.

Okay, today so far:

Nice and brisk morning walk (ahhhhhhh)
Tricep:  25 ♪♪♪

Foods:

Breaky:  Oatmeals (300)
Lunch:   2-egg, English muffin sandwhich and small salad (350)
Snack:   Zone bar (210)
Snack:   Fruit roll (50) and FiberPlus bar (130)
Dinner:   Apple and PB (200) and Bagel  (350 ... apparently)

Total:  1590
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Reply #172 on: May 18, 2011, 02:43:14 AM
Hey, hey.  I think I lost some ab fat. 


*Bob wonders where he lost it and how he found it in the first place.*
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Reply #173 on: May 18, 2011, 02:46:19 AM
Hey, hey.  I think I lost some ab fat.  


*Bob wonders where he lost it and how he found it in the first place.*

:P

I've been wanting to say (but don't want to shoot myself in the foot by saying it) that posting my pic and saying I'll post another in a month has been ... very motivating  :P ... after I came to my senses and got over the shock of myself having posted it in the first place, that is! I've been sticking to my program like glue and my pants are getting bigger.  Bigger pants are called an NSV (non scale victory) ... which is what I'm going by for now.  Another NSV is that there is ice cream in our house and it's just sitting there in the freezer ... for when I want some, which hasn't been since we first got it.  That is really 'somethin' in my world.

ab fat has a strange way of appearing out of nowhere ... that's my observation anyway.
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Reply #174 on: May 18, 2011, 07:08:52 AM
I like to have all the CDs and books I am interested in at any one moment ready to grab. Pile here, pile there...
Problem is, putting them away aint easy. Book shelves: groaning (can't collapse though, as long as the rungs below stay as full as they are). Table: chockablock. Various closets: inside full, top loaded almost to the ceiling. Loft: as much as I dare without creating a serious war.
"What do you ever want to do with all that junk!!??". <sigh> :P
The answer is very simple; move to a larger house that has sufficient space to accommodate at least 50% more books, CDs and the like than you have now. At least it's easy to store suich things in the Netherlands, being so flat as it is, an' all...

As for shape, let's say I have one. Some are build for speed, some for comfort. I call mine aerodynamic.  ;D
I do, too, for what it may (or rather more likely may not) be worth; however, as I've long since forgotten (if indeed I ever knew in the first place) what it is (or was supposed to be) built for, I can only assume that it was built principally for sitting at the composition desk and working.

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Reply #175 on: May 18, 2011, 07:37:44 AM
What does a "composition desk" look like??

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Reply #176 on: May 18, 2011, 08:23:11 AM
What does a "composition desk" look like??
Pretty much the same as any other reasonably large desk; the purpose of my use of the term was merely to specify the use to which I would put such a desk.

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Reply #177 on: May 18, 2011, 11:00:19 AM
The answer is very simple; move to a larger house that has sufficient space to accommodate at least 50% more books, CDs and the like than you have now. At least it's easy to store suich things in the Netherlands, being so flat as it is, an' all...

Best,

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Ah, but then I would in less then no time HAVE 50% more books, CDs and whatnot! At least now I must think before I get something (like "where am I going to put it???")
Putting a constantly hungry fat man in front of a bigger table full of goodies aint gonna help, ya know!
Not all of the Netherlands is flat, d'ya know, the roads can be quite un-flat (Jonathan Powell even wrote a piece about it, probably after crying "be flat!!" after speedbump no. 24.572)

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I can only assume that it was built principally for sitting at the composition desk and working.
Built quite well then, considering the results! Still, you got some sitting to do before you go past Peter Bares' op. 2578 (and that aint his last work!). ;)

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Reply #178 on: May 18, 2011, 11:16:07 AM
Ah, but then I would in less then no time HAVE 50% more books, CDs and whatnot! At least now I must think before I get something (like "where am I going to put it???")
OK, so just change the percentage to a more appropriate one, then!

Putting a constantly hungry fat man in front of a bigger table full of goodies aint gonna help, ya know!
But there is no evidence that you are such a man and, in any case, the "goodies" here need to go on shelves rather than tables!

Not all of the Netherlands is flat, d'ya know, the roads can be quite un-flat (Jonathan Powell even wrote a piece about it, probably after crying "be flat!!" after speedbump no. 24.572)
No, I do know that, for all that someone who used to be based there once told me that he lived in the mountains and, when question about this, stated that the mean average altitude of his garden was at least 5cm greater than those of his neighbours. As to the relevance of "B flat" here, I am reminded that many Netherlanders settled in South Africa and, several months ago, when so much of part of that country resounded to the incessant B flattery of the egregious vuvuzelas, the pitch of these things might well have been imported from the Netherlands originally...

Built quite well then, considering the results! Still, you got some sitting to do before you go past Peter Bares' op. 2578 (and that aint his last work!). ;)
Many thanks - but I suspect that I'd long since have ceased to sit anywhere by the time of reaching an opus number much in excess of one-fiftieth of that tally!

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Reply #179 on: May 18, 2011, 12:28:12 PM
OK, so just change the percentage to a more appropriate one, then!
You must consider me richer than Croessos...
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No, I do know that, for all that someone who used to be based there once told me that he lived in the mountains and, when question about this, stated that the mean average altitude of his garden was at least 5cm greater than those of his neighbours.
The highest point in The Kingdom of The Netherlands is at 877meters above sea level. So I guess the man you have that statement from must have lived on the island of Saba!

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As to the relevance of "B flat" here, I am reminded that many Netherlanders settled in South Africa and, several months ago, when so much of part of that country resounded to the incessant B flattery of the egregious vuvuzelas, the pitch of these things might well have been imported from the Netherlands originally...
I had to actually think what you referred to here, so that tells you something about me! The vuvuzela's rang a bell though. The only pitch I would desire in conjunction with vuvuzela's would be buckets full of it, tipped into the rotten things. Grrr!

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Many thanks - but I suspect that I'd long since have ceased to sit anywhere by the time of reaching an opus number much in excess of one-fiftieth of that tally!

Best,

Alistair
Hmm, since I know you have reached at least Opus 47, and 1/50th of Bares' tally as printed would be Opus 51, I hope you are wrong! Remember, Havergal Brian was not all that much younger when he finished his Gothic Symphony (No. 1 of 32), and Elliott Carter was some decades older than you when he wrote his first opera! Although I do think that, unless I'm much mistaken, having to wait until you write your first opera would need some advances in medicine (such as finding an immortality elixer), and possibly the rewriting of some basic cosmic laws... But a Symphony no. 1 from you, ah, now that would be worth waiting for!!
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #180 on: May 18, 2011, 01:17:55 PM
You must consider me richer than Croessos...
We spell him Croesus over here in UK, but whilst I may not actualyl consider you to be so rich I would like to think that you were so!

The highest point in The Kingdom of The Netherlands is at 877meters above sea level. So I guess the man you have that statement from must have lived on the island of Saba!
Now I do not suppose that there is any connection between this Netherlands Antillean island and the passage beginning Or, gloire au seul vivant... from La Reine de Saba et divers autres contes (1918) by Joseph Charles (aka Jean-Charles) Mardrus (orig. Mardrossian), which a certain Parsi composer appended to his score of the Jami Symphony (1942-51), but it's a neat coincidence nevertheless...

I had to actually think what you referred to here, so that tells you something about me! The vuvuzela's rang a bell though. The only pitch I would desire in conjunction with vuvuzela's would be buckets full of it, tipped into the rotten things. Grrr!
Agreed 110%!

Hmm, since I know you have reached at least Opus 47, and 1/50th of Bares' tally as printed would be Opus 51, I hope you are wrong! Remember, Havergal Brian was not all that much younger when he finished his Gothic Symphony (No. 1 of 32), and Elliott Carter was some decades older than you when he wrote his first opera! Although I do think that, unless I'm much mistaken, having to wait until you write your first opera would need some advances in medicine (such as finding an immortality elixer), and possibly the rewriting of some basic cosmic laws...
Oh, indeed - those things and much more besides!

But a Symphony no. 1 from you, ah, now that would be worth waiting for!!
Well, that's a very kind thought which is much appreciated but, since I'd have immense trouble in imagining it translating itself into reality, I fear that Sinfonietta, Op. 34 (an attempt to condense a 4-movement symphony of some 40 minutes duration into a single-movement one of around 10) will just have to do for the foreseeable future!

The fact that this thread seems now to have assumed a quite different "shape" from that which it had originally acquired is surely an example of what can happen when people go off-topic...

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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #181 on: May 18, 2011, 01:54:15 PM
Now I do not suppose that there is any connection between this Netherlands Antillean island and the passage beginning Or, gloire au seul vivant... from La Reine de Saba et divers autres contes (1918) by Joseph Charles (aka Jean-Charles) Mardrus (orig. Mardrossian), which a certain Parsi composer appended to his score of the Jami Symphony (1942-51), but it's a neat coincidence nevertheless...

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Alistair
Hmm, I would guess the book is about the Queen of Sheeba, but even the French Wikipedia has only one Saba spelled as such, so who knows!? It looks like a lovely and very tropical island, and would, I think, the "tropic atmosphere" of quite a few of that Parsi composer's work! See image!


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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #182 on: May 18, 2011, 02:06:28 PM
Hmm, I would guess the book is about the Queen of Sheeba, but even the French Wikipedia has only one Saba spelled as such, so who knows!?
Your guess would indeed be correct (although they spell it Sheba over here).

It looks like a lovely and very tropical island, and would, I think, the "tropic atmosphere" of quite a few of that Parsi composer's work! See image!

Indeed so! Maybe you could acquire a nice house there large enough to accommodate all the books and CDs that you're ever likely to acquire!...

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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #183 on: May 18, 2011, 03:13:49 PM
Today so far:

Weights (I think I'll move up in almost everything, today):

Situps:  150 total/6 sets ♪♪♪♪
Squats:  115 lbs. ♪♪♪   (sets of 7 still! woot!) -- I'm feeling like I can already move up next time.
Bench:   90 lbs. ♪♪♪ (sets of 5)
Leg curls:  35 lbs. ♪♪♪

Foods:

Breaky:  Oatmeals (300)
Lunch:   Salad (100) and Apple w/PB (200)
Snack:   Zone bar (210)
Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130) and a fruit roll (50)
Dinner:   salad and a mexican thing ... (500)

Total:   1490
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #184 on: May 18, 2011, 05:28:59 PM
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #185 on: May 19, 2011, 12:08:54 AM
More coffee weight loss ideas...

Drink coffee.  Then drink more coffee so you're full.

Drink the "bottom of the pot" coffee with some grounds in it.  Get nauseous.  Then you're not hungry anymore.


*Bob sloshes away.... voll und übel*  I wonder if "voll" means pregnant like that....
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #186 on: May 19, 2011, 02:58:26 AM
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What is it, Thal?  No weight training? 

More coffee weight loss ideas...

Drink coffee.  Then drink more coffee so you're full.

Drink the "bottom of the pot" coffee with some grounds in it.  Get nauseous.  Then you're not hungry anymore.

Great ideas, Bob!  :D ;D
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #187 on: May 19, 2011, 04:13:40 AM
Late night snack, post-coffee-nausea...

1 jar of humus.


(Not haggis.  Humus.)
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #188 on: May 19, 2011, 10:02:23 AM
Maybe you could acquire a nice house there large enough to accommodate all the books and CDs that you're ever likely to acquire!...

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Alistair
So you desire my relocation to what is basically a tiny rock in the middle of the sea several thousend kilometers away, to find a new home in the only town on it (aptly(?) named "The Bottom"), assuming I make it there at all (it has the shortest commercial landing strip in the world). Whatever for? In the hope they may not have Internet there?.... ;)

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Foods:

Breaky:  Oatmeals (300)
Lunch:   Salad (100) and Apple w/PB (200)
Snack:   Zone bar (210)
Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130) and a fruit roll (50)
Dinner:   salad and a mexican thing ... (500)

Total:   1490
Whomever would suggest I'd use a calculator next to my meal to count the calories would be kindly advised to put his/her calculator in the nearest spot available where the Sun does not shed any light on. Or in. He/she may use a mallet, if need be.  ;D

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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #189 on: May 19, 2011, 11:01:23 AM
So you desire my relocation to what is basically a tiny rock in the middle of the sea several thousend kilometers away, to find a new home in the only town on it (aptly(?) named "The Bottom"), assuming I make it there at all (it has the shortest commercial landing strip in the world). Whatever for? In the hope they may not have Internet there?.... ;)
Well, not really, of course - unless you were to use it as a holiday home only.

Whomever would suggest I'd use a calculator next to my meal to count the calories would be kindly advised to put his/her calculator in the nearest spot available where the Sun does not shed any light on. Or in.
It wouldn't have to be a solar powered calculator, then, would it?! - and I think that you have identified that spot in your first paragraph...

He/she may use a mallet, if need be.
Ah - music for mallet instruments and all that; not so inappropriate in the circumstances, perhaps, since indulgence in some of these very strictly calorie-controlled diets might well invite quite abit of repetition in several stomachs...

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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #190 on: May 19, 2011, 04:03:54 PM
Today so far:

Foods:

Breaky:   2 eggs and some sweet potato (250)
Lunch:    Salad and apple w/PB (300)
Snack:    FiberPlus bar (130)
Snack:    Fruit Roll (50)
Dinner:    Mexican soup w/ some corn chips (300)
Dinner2:   Bagel (350)

Total:    1380

Workout:

Tricep lift:  25 lbs. ♪♪♪
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #191 on: May 20, 2011, 03:08:28 PM
Today:

Foods:

Breaky:  1 egg and some pasta (300)
Lunch:   Apple w/PB, salad, curried sweet potato w/BBQ sauce (400)
Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130)
Snack:   Some pasta  (200)
Dinner:   A bagel w/a little pepper jack cheese (450)

Total:  1480

Weights:

Situps:  150 total/6 sets  ♪♪♪♪
Squats:  120 lbs. ♪♪♪   (sets of 7)
Bench:   90 lbs.   ♪♪♪      (sets of 7)
Leg Curl:  35 lbs.  ♪♪♪



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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #192 on: May 21, 2011, 06:16:45 PM
Today:

Workout:
Nice walk (even w/doggy!)
Tricep:  25 lbs.  ♪♪♪

Food:

Breaky:  Oatmeals  (300)
Lunch:   Salad and Apple w/PB  (300)
Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130) and Fruit Roll (50)
Snack:   Some chocolate (140)
Dinner:

Total:
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #193 on: May 21, 2011, 09:36:22 PM
Today:

Workout:
Nice walk (even w/doggy!)
Tricep:  25 lbs.  ♪♪♪

Food:

Breaky:  Oatmeals  (300)
Lunch:   Salad and Apple w/PB  (300)
Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130) and Fruit Roll (50)
Snack:
Dinner:

Total:
Just don't forget to be m1469! All this working out and low calorie thing is all very fine, but it's not the end of the world, you know!

You'd probably be horrified by my lack of care for calorie counting and working out anything other than compositional problems but, whilst I am almost certainly not as physically fit as you are, I can still manage to do what I do...

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Alistair
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #194 on: May 21, 2011, 09:52:16 PM
Just don't forget to be m1469! All this working out and low calorie thing is all very fine, but it's not the end of the world, you know!

You'd probably be horrified by my lack of care for calorie counting and working out anything other than compositional problems but, whilst I am almost certainly not as physically fit as you are, I can still manage to do what I do...

Best,

Alistair

Yes, you are right, sometimes I do get caught up into things.  Once in awhile I take a break from the regime, just because I need that mental break.  I will say, cultural and artistic issues aside as it relates to the female body, I feel a personal desire and need to be more physically fit than I am.  And, if I didn't feel a personal need to count calories, I wouldn't, but for now it serves a very distinct purpose in my life.

I find I very much need physical activity, it's just extremely important in my life and even though sometimes I feel like I don't have time to do my half an hour walk, even, I find it really helps me overall if I do, even when I feel like I don't have time.  I am about to go outside and lay in the sun because my head isn't letting any more into it and I need to find some kind of mental peace about things.  I still recognize when I need to do something like that :).
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #195 on: May 21, 2011, 10:42:36 PM
Yes, you are right, sometimes I do get caught up into things.  Once in awhile I take a break from the regime, just because I need that mental break.  I will say, cultural and artistic issues aside as it relates to the female body, I feel a personal desire and need to be more physically fit than I am.  And, if I didn't feel a personal need to count calories, I wouldn't, but for now it serves a very distinct purpose in my life.

I find I very much need physical activity, it's just extremely important in my life and even though sometimes I feel like I don't have time to do my half an hour walk, even, I find it really helps me overall if I do, even when I feel like I don't have time.  I am about to go outside and lay in the sun because my head isn't letting any more into it and I need to find some kind of mental peace about things.  I still recognize when I need to do something like that :).
Then that's OK!

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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #196 on: May 22, 2011, 03:22:31 AM
I counted calories for awhile.  You can slowly ween yourself down on food and then you don't have to exercise as much to lose weight.

And once in awhile it's shocking how many calories some things are.  I remember something I was thinking about buying but it was 900 calories in a serving.  Although it did taste really good too.... I just wasn't aware I had eaten that many calories when I ate it in the past.  No more. 
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #197 on: May 22, 2011, 06:29:45 AM
Breaky:   2 eggs and some sweet potato (250)

Hmmm. . .  :)
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #198 on: May 22, 2011, 07:38:57 PM
Hmmm. . .  :)

It is, or it is not satisfactory to you?  :)

And once in awhile it's shocking how many calories some things are.  I remember something I was thinking about buying but it was 900 calories in a serving.  Although it did taste really good too.... I just wasn't aware I had eaten that many calories when I ate it in the past.  No more.  

Yeah, I recently discovered that there are about 700+ calories in Costco muffins ... that is a bit more than I had thought.  Obviously anybody can eat whatever they want, but for me to know that is at least helpful in terms of determining when and why I would want to eat that.  Yes, I know that there are people starving in other countries who would just be happy for anything at all, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to have some form of consciousness about how and what I eat.

I still can't find it in me to explain all of this, and just because I am choosing to keep an eye on what I am eating, doesn't mean that I judge others for not counting calories.  I am in a process of learning just how to deal with food in general, what portion sizes are right for me, and why I am eating when and what I am eating.  I think it's great if people never have to bother with that, that's fine but, the bottom line is that if you are not overweight, then you are fundamentally already managing your calories intake, and some people have to learn how.  In fact, many people don't have all of that exactly figured out, in one way or another.

Generally, I find enjoyment in food, but if there is something I have learned over the years, it's that food most definitely does not in itself bring me happiness and fulfillment.  I think there can be art and even craftsmanship in a meal, and I appreciate it currently on that level and hope to continue gaining even a better appreciation for that, even in all things!  But, there's some line between enjoying food in a balanced way vs. not, and then also in dealing with cultural issues, as well.

I am, for maybe the first time, starting to have a certain view about my body that I've never quite had before, in that I am starting to understand what it's "supposed" to look like in order to be true to myself and my nature.  I think that finding this, and having our bodies serve our lives rather than govern it, and the same with our eating, is actually fairly healthy, if not actually even fairly important.  I think that's my goal and what I have always been deeply craving, and I suspect that as I continue to achieve it, my goal will even grow into something that I don't currently perceive.

When I am eating out of balance and I am inactive almost completely, spending most of my entire life on my buns between practicing and teaching piano, and days without going out of the house, I feel like I am just staring right down the barrel of a gun to the end of my life.  No thanks.
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Re: Project Shapety Shape
Reply #199 on: May 22, 2011, 08:11:57 PM
Today:

Workout:

Squat:  120 lbs.   ♪♪♪
Situps:  150 total/6 sets  ♪♪♪♪
Bench:  90 lbs. ♪♪♪  (sets of 7 -- was it 7 or 5 the last time? *too lazy to scroll up*)
Leg Curls:  35 lbs. ♪♪♪

Food:

Breaky:  Oatmeals (300)
Lunch:   Small salad and some pasta (400)
Snack:   FiberPlus bar (130)
Dinner:   More pasta and another salad (500)
Snack:  

Total:
"The greatest thing in this world is not so much where we are, but in what direction we are moving"  ~Oliver Wendell Holmes
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