pictures!!

[lichristine]

i'm trying to read your shirt....and failing.
"awkward"
"morning"
"-eats a"
"boring night"

hehe don't know anymore, but i LIKE it

[mcgillcomposer]

i'm trying to read your shirt....and failing.
"awkward"
"morning"
"-eats a"
"boring night"

hehe don't know anymore, but i LIKE it

It says: "An awkward morning beats a boring night" 

[lichristine]

haha I love it.
^.^ Very much agreed.....

[diminished2nd]

[diminished2nd]

K here are some pictures of more than just my eye 





I don't really have any good just "snapshot" type pictures atm... nor do I have any of myself playing the piano 

[pianistimo]

there is no such thing as a diminished second.  are you fully aware of this.  minor second - yes.  diminished. no?  it's not like there's this option to diminish a second.  you can only do this to chords.  you have to have three notes to have the third option.

for a minute i thought this was a lone eyeball.  you know - kind of like somebody took someone's eyeball out.  how did you do that?

try taking a pic of yourself outside.  then, you wouldn't get the 'green effect.'  unless you like it.

[quantum]

What do you mean no such thing? 

A minor interval is 1/2 step less than major
A diminished interval is 1/2 step less than minor
An augmented interval is 1/2 step larger than major

Unless however you are dealing with 1, 4, 5, and 8ve intervals where:
An augmented interval is 1/2 step larger than perfect
A diminished interval is 1/2 step less than perfect

[pianistimo]

it's redundant in a major scale. you just say the next scale note name - which would be the next scale step.  well, suit yourself.  btw, quantum - the philosophy is there - it's just a bit useless.  better to try it with chords. 

[mcgillcomposer]

it's redundant in a major scale. you just say the next scale note name - which would be the next scale step.  well, suit yourself.  btw, quantum - the philosophy is there - it's just a bit useless.  better to try it with chords. 

It's not redundant at all. If you modulate from C major to C# minor, for example, you could conceivably have a melody written C - B# - C#. It is necessary to write it this way in order to define the tonal relationships.

[jlh]

The diminished 2nd is pretty much theoretical, and I don't think I've ever seen it written in any score. 

It can be seen as the difference between the diatonic and chromatic semitones, which makes it variable based on the different meantone tunings.  In equal temperament, however, it is equal to the unison, because both semitones have the same size.

If you have a G#, then the dim2nd interval would naturally be F### or an Ab. 

[mcgillcomposer]

The diminished 2nd is pretty much theoretical, and I don't think I've ever seen it written in any score. 

It can be seen as the difference between the diatonic and chromatic semitones, which makes it variable based on the different meantone tunings.  In equal temperament, however, it is equal to the unison, because both semitones have the same size.

If you have a G#, then the dim2nd interval would naturally be F### or an Ab. 

Read the example above...if you wrote C - C - C# it would be incorrect.

[jlh]

Read the example above...if you wrote C - C - C# it would be incorrect.

I see what you mean, but I don't see your point. What did I misstate?

[pianistimo]

way more accidentals.  what's the point?

[mcgillcomposer]

I see what you mean, but I don't see your point. What did I misstate?

Sorry, I quoted the wrong person.

[quantum]

way more accidentals.  what's the point?

The point being for the score to show as clearly as possible the harmonic and contrapuntal movements of the music. 

C - B# - C#: clearly shows that the B# harmonic purpose is to be the leading note to C#

[pianistimo]

show me a music analysis from a university that bothers to analyze two notes that deeply.  there are too many other things to worry about usually.  voice leading is typically not complicated.  also, the B# would be a sharped seventh. 

[mcgillcomposer]

show me a music analysis from a university that bothers to analyze two notes that deeply.  there are too many other things to worry about usually.  voice leading is typically not complicated.  also, diminished would not indicate that the B# was a second note of the scale.  it would be a seventh. 

Haha, analyses at universities get into things MUCH deeper than that...sometimes so deep that they lose touch with reality! 

Honestly though, the diminished 2nd isn't complicated at all...it's actually quite simple. I'm not really sure how to respond to your post.

[jlh]

show me a music analysis from a university that bothers to analyze two notes that deeply.  there are too many other things to worry about usually.  voice leading is typically not complicated.  also, diminished would not indicate that the B# was a second note of the scale.  it would be a seventh. 

That's actually not that deep an analysis... think about it, if you have a C# chord, the leading note being B#, it's pretty clear what the analysis will be.  Consider C# the root, then you have the B# leading up to it.  One easy way to analyse this is that the B# is part of the V chord leading to I.  It's all about how the chords are notated.  If the B# were C, then you couldn't really have a V to I relationship now could you?  Because then you have a C, which is part of an Ab chord, which is V to Db.  Make sense?  Enharmonic notes are not there just to confuse you, but to promote order.

[pianistimo]

imaginary friends - diminished seconds.

[jlh]

Or perhaps the diminished 2nd is the i²[/b] of music?  

[quasimodo]

Or perhaps the diminished 2nd is the i²[/b] of music?   

Rather the i, i]i[/i]² is not that puzzling...

[jlh]

Rather the i, i]i[/i]² is not that puzzling...

I thought about that... but because of the 2nd, I thought it might be appropriate to make it i².  That translates to -1, if that means anything.  Probably not.   

[pianistimo]

as long as we don't get into pi again. 

basically, diminished seconds when related to two tones instead of triads could get one into an imaginary realm in about anything.  i mean - what makes a fourth and fifth perfect.  if seconds can be diminished - then there should be at least a minor and augmented fourth and fifth - not to mention the possibilities of making almost every note of the scale diminished somehow.  if there is a will, there is a way.  try analyzing the oo oo oo of  'stayin alive' this way.  probably makes great sense.

[jlh]

i mean - what makes a fourth and fifth perfect.  if seconds can be diminished - then there should be at least a minor and augmented fourth and fifth - not to mention the possibilities of making almost every note of the scale diminished somehow. 

What would you call the interval of C - G#?

What would you call a tritone?

I don't think there's a minor 4th or 5th though...

Josh

[ahinton]

as long as we don't get into pi again.

That's short for "pianistimo", is it not? So we mustn't get into that?...

basically, diminished seconds when related to two tones instead of triads could get one into an imaginary realm in about anything.

Well, I suppose that you'd be pretty conversant with those (imaginary realms, that is), after all, you've written many posts about them...

i mean - what makes a fourth and fifth perfect.

I don't know; how many children do you have, Susan?...

if seconds can be diminished

our lives would all be shorter.

Best,

Alistair (aka "ahinton" again now, no doubt!...)

[ahinton]

What would you call a tritone?

Since you address this question specifically to "pianistimo", one may presume the correct answer to be diabolus in musica, for reasons that will doubtless be plainly obvious to quite a few people around here, I imagine...

The real answer (albeit not in the fugal sense) is, of course, "what Cherie Booth deliberately avoided saying to her husband on the day that he embarked upon being Gordon Brown's predecessor" - but that's more to do with another thread in this section...

Best,

Alistair

[jlh]

Though I'd like to take credit for that profound revelation, in fact I was merely pointing out that a 4th can be augmented quite easily.

Now for the philosophical rabbit trail: if diabolus in musica is the tritone, then what is jesus in musica?

Josh

[gymnopedist]

Probably B#, C and Dbb, the holy trinity. How can something actually be three different things (notes) and the same at the same time?

[pianistimo]

ok augmented fourth - but the 'augmented fifth' is also a minor sixth - which is the 'normal' terminology if i remember right.  anyways - i'm not grading your papers.  typically you can get away with not writing bb (flat flat) beside seconds.  but, whatever tips your boat over.  i might try it myself.  chopin did a lot of this, you know.  upset the cart by writing in strange keys and making people need glasses to read it all.  perhaps the fact that xx and bb exist - means that truly diminished seconds ARE real.  i would accept that as a great argument for the idea.  i will remember this for future arguments playing devil's advocate - although when you write out a simple scale - a Dbb =C - so it's a bit redundant for beginners.  maybe it's a concept best saved for chopin lovers and modern composition ideas that like to save and ponder one note to the exclusion of others.  what is to stop the idea of xx and bb from being multiplied = xxx xxxx  xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx   bb bbbb bbbbbb bbbbbbbbb  - it could basically go up to 87 times if you think about it.  you could play the bottom note on the piano by marking the top note with enough bbbb's.  this to me is diobolica in the extreme.  making people count things out.

but, simpleness is major C of course.  just the one note.  it's in the center of the keyboard and is the most played note of the piano usually.  because of it's accessability - it seems more honest and open.  no diabolica there.  although, i would have to agree with mozart that instruments cannot truly express the types of trills and warbling that birds offer with such ease.  if anything musical expresses God - it would be birds.  perhaps the first 'musical' sounds that adam and eve heard?

[jlh]

ok augmented fourth - but the 'augmented fifth' is also a minor sixth - which is the 'normal' terminology if i remember right. 

Yeah, it would be a minor 6th if it were written as C - Ab... but if it's written C - G# how is it a minor 6th? 

If there are no augmented 5ths, then how could we ever have augmented triads?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_fifth

[pianistimo]

i stand corrected.  pardon my ignorance.  modern music really messes with the mind.  when you have a G# - typically you have a C# in the key.  but, tritones don't deal with keys per se - as much as the furthest note from any tonality.  thanks for the insight! 

[ahinton]

Now for the philasophical rabbit trail: if diabolus in musica is the tritone, then what is jesus in musica?

Josh

Ask Sister Susan; if anyone knows, she surely will...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

if anything musical expresses God - it would be birds.  perhaps the first 'musical' sounds that adam and eve heard?

Well, let's first all give you credit for having written quite a lot in this post before you even mentioned Him, but why would it be "the birds"? And which birds? - all of them? or just selected ones? And, in any case, I'd have to take issue even with your premise in considering the possibility that "anything musical expressed God". Even assuming (as not everyone does by any means) that God exists in some form or other, nothing musical "expresses God". Stravinsky famously declared that "music is incapable of expressing anything beyond itself"; now, whilst that statement seems fatuous to me as he is said to have expressed it, I would like to think that he was at least onto something here. Another composer (although I cannot now recall who it was) got much closer to the mark when declaring that "music is capable of expressing everything but naming nothing" - in other words, it begins (as someone else again once put it) where words leave off, for the simple reason that its purpose is to express things that are capable of expressive realisation by music - and by music alone. Sorabji, who had very mixed feelings about Richard Strauss's work, once deprecated him by suggesting that he's try to represent a knife and fork in music next; likewise, he never once suggested that even J S Bach himself sought to express - let alone succeeded in expressing - "God".

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

well, if the Holy Spirit expresses God and it came in the form of a dove - i pick the dove.  a sort of cooing effect.  trilling cooing.  perhaps it is pitchless.  why can't doves sing.  why is the bird that expresses God's peacefulness simply cooing.  He could have picked a warbler or soemthing else.  maybe it was the color and not the pitches.

zebra doves come close to singing, black winged ground doves chirp, and peruvian doves croak.  not sure how this all relates.  i think we were talking about regular white doves which don't really sing at all.

[jlh]

Anatomy of a pianistimo message:

well, if the Holy Spirit expresses God and it came in the form of a dove -

The first sentence mentions God...

i pick the dove. 

...as a response to "which birds" would be the "first musical sounds that Adam and Eve heard"...

a sort of cooing effect.  trilling cooing. 

...then explains why that bird, above other options, best exemplifies musical sounds...

perhaps it is pitchless.  why can't doves sing.  why is the bird that expresses God's peacefulness simply cooing.  He could have picked a warbler or soemthing else.  maybe it was the color and not the pitches.

She ponders all aspects of the sounds doves make, while adding sentence fragments that may or may not require a question mark, then states that doves can't make pitches and admits they can't sing...

zebra doves come close to singing, black winged ground doves chirp, and peruvian doves croak. 

...and cows moo and lions roar and frogs... well, apparently they sound a lot like peruvian doves.

not sure how this all relates. 

She then realizes she's gone too far...

i think we were talking about regular white doves which don't really sing at all.

And we've come a full circle. 

So if doves can't sing, then why are they the first music Adam and Eve heard?  I'm confused.

Josh

[pianistimo]

people think music is all pitches.  what if part of music is also the silence?  the peace inbetween the sounds.  the birds surely gave adam and eve music night and day -but the dove gave them peaceful sounds of contentment.  and sounds are included in music - but just not mentioned as pitches, per say.  as i see it - the doves are like rests.

[wishful thinker]

Susan, sweetie,

this is a thread about pictures 

Perhaps you have one that can succinctly illustrate the divine revelation of God's purpose though the medium of doves, cows and assorted song birds?

[ahinton]

Anatomy of a pianistimo message:

The first sentence mentions God...

...as a response to "which birds" would be the "first musical sounds that Adam and Eve heard"...

...then explains why that bird, above other options, best exemplifies musical sounds...

She ponders all aspects of the sounds doves make, while adding sentence fragments that may or may not require a question mark, then states that doves can't make pitches and admits they can't sing...

...and cows moo and lions roar and frogs... well, apparently they sound a lot like peruvian doves.

She then realizes she's gone too far...

And we've come a full circle. 

So if doves can't sing, then why are they the first music Adam and Eve heard?  I'm confused.

Josh

And you're not alone in that. And just to add to the confusion, what about the Song of the Wood Dove from Schönberg's Gurrelieder? - and let's not forget that he was a Jew (Schönberg, that is, not the dove), just like Adam and Eve...

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

people think music is all pitches.  what if part of music is also the silence?  the peace inbetween the sounds.  the birds surely gave adam and eve music night and day -but the dove gave them peaceful sounds of contentment.  and sounds are included in music - but just not mentioned as pitches, per say.  as i see it - the doves are like rests.

You really sound as though you knew Adam and Eve personally; I know that you didn't, however, since the Garden of Eden (if ever it existed outside anyone's imagination) was never located in PA and you are nowhere near as old as you'd have needed to be in order to be acquianted with them.

Best,

Alistair

[ahinton]

Susan, sweetie,

this is a thread about pictures 

Perhaps you have one that can succinctly illustrate the divine revelation of God's purpose though the medium of doves, cows and assorted song birds?

That would be pretty much John Martin territory - or at least that would be as close as one might ever get to such a thing...

Best,

Alistair

[pianistimo]

what do cows and john martin have to do with this?  oh.  contented cows.  i see.  we have a lot of those in pa.  john martin will have to come visit.

yes.  this IS a picture thread.

[ahinton]

what do cows and john martin have to do with this?  oh.  contented cows.  i see.  we have a lot of those in pa.  john martin will have to come visit.

It would be rather difficult for the English painter John Martin (1789-1854) to visit PA or anywhere else on earth these days; you might like to check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Martin_(painter) for information on him and suspect that you may find things of interest. I believe that he was one of the greatest and certainly one of the most ambitious British painters of his time, after Turner.

Best,

Alistair

[thalbergmad]

Am i in the pictures thread, or have i pushed the wrong button?

Thal

[avetma]

Here am I, little blured. My friend took this picture (2 years ago)



(click to enlarge; if you dare )

[nicco]

RANDOMLY



haha

[pianowolfi]

cool

[pianowolfi]

Some pics of my July 4th party day in Greensboro, NC

With my friends at a little festival downtown





Corvette.... wow what a car!!!!!

[tds]

Some pics of my July 4th party day in Greensboro, NC

With my friends at a little festival downtown

nice girl, hot leg.

[zheer]

Corvette.... wow what a car!!!!!

      Very fast looking car.

[zheer]

   My electronic piano.