What's on your mind now?

[chopin2015]

 Im sorry. Is he hurt? Is he old?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Im sorry. Is he hurt? Is he old?

Old, but my mom never liked her in the first place.  She always treated her like how I treat Bach. 

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Hahahahahhahahahhaha I went on my Facebook and posted, 'Did Romney win?'.

Everyone got sooooooooooo mad!!!!!

[clavile]

The downfall of America, and my lost hope in the American people...

Four more years'll prove me right.


Better go stock up on ammo, spend all my money before the economy crashes, hide my textbooks, and start digging underground buildings.

Yes.. I'm slightly pessimistic...

But seriously... stock up on ammo.


HERE WE COME, WALMART

One more thing:

I've seen promises, but only unfulfilled ones.

I've seen Change; only in the worsening problems these years.

I've seen not Hope, but loss of it because of rising unemployment.

I've seen not a greater country, but a weaker one.

The time to open our eyes is past, and the time to suffer for it is now.

Yes, Forwards, but not the Forwards America wants. It's the Forwards our enemies have always wanted for us.

I see not a sun rising, but a sun setting on a red horizon.

YOU chose.

[outin]

Hahahahahhahahahhaha I went on my Facebook and posted, 'Did Romney win?'.

Everyone got sooooooooooo mad!!!!!

I have to say that although it shouldn't really be my business at all, I am quite relieved 

[unholeee]

I don't see a difference between either candidate, nor the pm in my country.

[49410enrique]

I don't see a difference between either candidate...

i think you're right. they both look kinda of goofey

[49410enrique]

i think you're right. they both look kinda of goofey

*flies away...

[unholeee]

ahaha

[clavile]

i think you're right. they both look kinda of goofey

Har har har xP

[oxy60]

The downfall of America, and my lost hope in the American people...

Four more years'll prove me right.


Better go stock up on ammo, spend all my money before the economy crashes, hide my textbooks, and start digging underground buildings.

Yes.. I'm slightly pessimistic...

But seriously... stock up on ammo.


HERE WE COME, WALMART

One more thing:

I've seen promises, but only unfulfilled ones.

I've seen Change; only in the worsening problems these years.

I've seen not Hope, but loss of it because of rising unemployment.

I've seen not a greater country, but a weaker one.

The time to open our eyes is past, and the time to suffer for it is now.

Yes, Forwards, but not the Forwards America wants. It's the Forwards our enemies have always wanted for us.

I see not a sun rising, but a sun setting on a red horizon.

YOU chose.

Not quite the outcome many of us (25 states) were expecting. Your comfort will be to embrace gridlock. Remember Clinton? All we got out of that was a scandal. Unless the Dems can get the House very little will get done. And be ready to start paying medical premiums...

[clavile]

Not quite the outcome many of us (25 states) were expecting. Your comfort will be to embrace gridlock. Remember Clinton? All we got out of that was a scandal. Unless the Dems can get the House very little will get done. And be ready to start paying medical premiums...

I know...I still can hardly believe it..

I actually was 4 when Clinton got out of office but I've heard about it.

Yes...one last chance to slow the tide.

[chopin2015]

Not quite the outcome many of us (25 states) were expecting. Your comfort will be to embrace gridlock. Remember Clinton? All we got out of that was a scandal. Unless the Dems can get the House very little will get done. And be ready to start paying medical premiums...

If anyone comes and tries to take my stuff and the house I am killing them, and if they come again to snipe me down I will shoot at them until I am dead. Serious. I would rather die than see what used to happen in Russia.

[clavile]

If anyone comes and tries to take my stuff and the house I am killing them, and if they come again to snipe me down I will shoot at them until I am dead. Serious. I would rather die than see what used to happen in Russia.

YOU are an AWESOME person.

[oxy60]

I know...I still can hardly believe it..

I actually was 4 when Clinton got out of office but I've heard about it.

Yes...one last chance to slow the tide.

What really surprised me was even my little conservative town went Dem. My state hasn't went Rep sense Regan.

Hang in there and don't depend on a government hand out. The people who voted for him should be the ones to worry because like countries in the EU who must cut somewhere to balance he will also cut benefits.

[outin]

The people who voted for him should be the ones to worry because like countries in the EU who must cut somewhere to balance he will also cut benefits.

I wonder how much you actually know about the countries within EU? I live in one I don't see nothing much to worry, unless one is REALLY unhappy about anything to do with aiming for a bit more social equality.

[chopin2015]

I wonder how much you actually know about the countries within EU? I live in one I don't see nothing much to worry, unless one is REALLY unhappy about anything to do with aiming for a bit more social equality.

Screw equality! Just leave us alone! I like where I live and I don't want to move anywhere outside of the country, I like havin' dogs with a yard for them to run around in and rednecks hangin' deer-kill from their trees to gut them in their back yard and there you have it, organic dinner for months! I can't move to Poland until I finish my degree and hopefully degrees. *yells and goes and loads the gun because a helicopter flew over the house*

[outin]

Screw equality! Just leave us alone! I like where I live and I don't want to move anywhere outside of the country, I like havin' dogs with a yard for them to run around in and rednecks hangin' deer-kill from their trees to gut them in their back yard and there you have it, organic dinner for months! I can't move to Poland until I finish my degree and hopefully degrees. *yells and goes and loads the gun because a helicopter flew over the house*

Why should you to move to Poland? 

[clavile]

I wonder how much you actually know about the countries within EU? I live in one I don't see nothing much to worry, unless one is REALLY unhappy about anything to do with aiming for a bit more social equality.

We know A LOT. Equality is stupid. America is a rich country, and the RICH keep the middle class and poor employed. Start taxing the rich for "equality", they drop employees, and unemployment goes UP. I really don't CARE if the rich have more money than I do. If they do have money, that means somebody somewhere worked HARD for that money. I have rich friends, and they don't just sit around in Lala-land all day. They WORK CONSTANTLY. We shouldn't be jealous of wealth! It's a whole different ball-game. Sure, a bit more money in the pocket might be nice, but go out and WORK for it if you want it! How angry would YOU be if the government came to you and said, "We're forcing you to pay $200 extra dollars a month for people who don't want to get off their butts and work"? I bet you'd be angry. You'd probably have to cut some things out of your budget to make it work. I know my family would, and we make more than the average person. It's the same way with the rich. These taxes will be terrible for them. They will have to figure out who to fire, who to keep, what to cut, etc. So if you're the ones wanting this "oh so great" equality, don't blame the government or the rich when you lose your jobs because of it. You voted for it, after all.

Yes, you live in EU, not the U.S. There are so many freedoms America has (at the present time) that other countries in EU couldn't even IMAGINE.


Having those freedoms slowly taken away is the most frightening thing in the world.

Obama care? Trash. I feel HORRIBLY for my friends who are going to school to be doctors. Obama's messed that up. People come from all over the world for our medical care. Obama? Thanks for messing that up too.

So he doesn't like guns. What's he going to do, cut ammunition off? Take our guns away? That's one of the WORST things you could do to a country. Take the guns away, crime RISES, and the people lose power. Guns aren't bad. It's the people that are stupid with them that are bad. Don't punish the guns; punish the people that treat them incorrectly.

He's spending money like crazy. Result? Economy crashes. Yes, then we get to look like Spain! That must be fun.

He's already voiced he thinks Christianity is stupid, and tried to force the Catholics to do horrible things that go against their beliefs. THAT is scary.

We know he doesn't like home schoolers. Will I have opportunity in the future to home school and teach my children WELL?

What about jobs? 50% of the young people coming out of college can't find jobs. I thought this was a country of opportunity. Will I have opportunity to carry on with my music career in the near future, or will I be one of those 50 percent? My friends who are becoming engineers and doctors, will they have opportunity to find work?

There are so many other things. Until you have lived in a country like America is at this time, it is impossible for you to understand the unbelievable freedoms, even to the smallest things.

We have money to throw away. It is embarrassing how much Americans throw away when people in other countries are starving.

The problem with America is, that the people have become lazy and relaxed, and think they can be dependent on the government. In every country that the people have become dependent upon the government and stopped working, all of these nations have failed. We're headed straight into communism. Look how Russia turned out. What do they have? Oh, yeah that's right. Vodka. Maybe we should all start getting used to drinking beer. That seems to be the only thing that's left in a country where all is lost.

Most Americans think they live in a sugar coated world made of gingerbread houses, where nothing goes wrong, and everything is perfect. Maybe this four years will give them more than a just a good glimpse of what this world is really made of.

I can't imagine a country without the freedoms we have today.

Thomas Jefferson was right when he said that as soon as the people became lazy and dependent on the government, the countries end is near.

[outin]

We know A LOT. Equality is stupid. America is a rich country, and the RICH keep the middle class and poor employed. Start taxing the rich for "equality", they drop employees, and unemployment goes UP.

Yes, you live in EU, not the U.S. There are so many freedoms America has (at the present time) that other countries in EU couldn't even IMAGINE.

To be honest my experience is that US citizens in general know quite little about European societies. They may think they know a lot, but most of it has no bearing in reality. Of course there are many informed people there, this is a generalization. There are also many points where one can be well informed but still disagree because these things are not black and white. But it will very soon become evident in conversation which group the other belongs to.

I have studied the American society and been there. I have compared the US and Canadian and European societies. So I don't have to imagine, I know what kind of freedoms exist there, but I also know how much you have pay for it in several ways.

However that was not my point, my point was that the fears people shout out about the future because of the election result are ridiculous. But I guess they are understandable because of the political campaigns which were full of ridiculous claims and threats.

EDIT
Since you are obviously very young and passionate about your beliefs I will let pass the contradictions and misconceptions in your post. I just hope you can enjoy your wonderful life, play piano and not get stressed about something you can do nothing about at this point 

[j_menz]

There are so many freedoms America has (at the present time) that other countries in EU couldn't even IMAGINE.

Apart from the freedom to go round shooting one another, perhaps you would care to name one?

[chopin2015]

This is amuurica, and we speak amuurican.

[clavile]

To be honest my experience is that US citizens in general know quite little about European societies. They may think they know a lot, but most of it has no bearing in reality. Of course there are many informed people there, this is a generalization. There are also many points where one can be well informed but still disagree because these things are not black and white. But it will very soon become evident in conversation which group the other belongs to.

I have studied the American society and been there. I have compared the US and Canadian and European societies. So I don't have to imagine, I know what kind of freedoms exist there, but I also know how much you have pay for it in several ways.

However that was not my point, my point was that the fears people shout out about the future because of the election result are ridiculous. But I guess they are understandable because of the political campaigns which were full of ridiculous claims and threats.

EDIT
Since you are obviously very young and passionate about your beliefs I will let pass the contradictions and misconceptions in your post. I just hope you can enjoy your wonderful life, play piano and not get stressed about something you can do nothing about at this point 

Point taken, let me rephrase that, SOME of us know quite a bit. And the reason we're headed the way we are, is because many Americans haven't taken the time to study the European countries.

Yes, we have to defend them. And the freedoms are more than worth it.

It's not only fears, it's truths too. We SHOULD be scared. The way we're headed is not good.
 
Yes, I am very young, very passionate about my beliefs, and not ashamed of it.

[clavile]

Apart from the freedom to go round shooting one another, perhaps you would care to name one?

Let me take back the "imagine" part. That's not a correct way to stress my point.

You're building a straw man. We don't have the freedom to go around shooting each other, we have the right to bear arms.

As for your question:

The Bill of Rights.

[j_menz]

As for your question:

The Bill of Rights.

Apart from the right to bear arms, what right is included in the Bill of Rights which is not included in the European Convention on Human Rights?

I might also add that no European government claims the right to extra-judicially assasinate its own citizens, as I believe your president does.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Americans have no rights.  Wanna know what we have?

Privileges

If you disagree with me, then I want you to go to the Google search engine.  And when you go to google, I want you click on the search bar and type in, 'Japanese Americans 1942'.  And when you do that, I want you to click on the first result and read it.

[ajspiano]

The notion that americans have freedoms (ones that significantly impact your way of life - there are obviously minor differences) that other western, developed nations don't is enough to make me LOL, hard.

Incidentally, I don't feel I need the right to bear arms, because I don't have anyone coming at me with a gun..  and if I did live in that part of australian society, its not as if I wouldn't have access to a weapon.

...

oh and being offended that your president didnt follow through on election promises is ridiculous..  election issues are hardly the core of whats going on with running a country.. there just the ones the polys use to swing the voters around.

[clavile]

I rest my case. The reason Obama was re-elected was because of blind and uneducated people like you. Yes-- maybe you don't live in America, but still, people who are blind.

The whole principle is different between the Bill of Rights and the European Convention on Human Rights.

I know you'll think me a fool, but I refuse to be blinded by lies and government.

I'm just disgusted. Not offended. He lies so much, and embarrasses the nation. If you don't believe me, ask all the democratic newspapers who rooted for Romney why they did so.

[ajspiano]

I rest my case. The reason Obama was re-elected was because of blind people like you. Yes-- maybe you don't live in America, but still, people who are blind.

I know you'll think me a fool, but I refuse to be blinded by lies and government.

you know if romney had got in the obama-ramas would be saying all the same things you are right..?  granted with some mild variations..

your candidate is no better than the other.

...

infact, your unyielding insistence that one side is right and another is wrong kind of makes you incredibly blind. Your opinion isnt the only one in the world, and no opinion is wrong.

...

You actually think that you know whats in the best interest of your entire population as a group? without all the information that a president has access to..?

[ajspiano]

Like J_menz, I would encourage you to explain how your country is fundamentally different to mine..

and since, for example, my country has been significantly more stable post GFC than yours I'm not seeing how your system is better than ours..  because that can't have been about the guns..

..and you certainly arent saying why..

[clavile]

you know if romney had got in the obama-ramas would be saying all the same things you are right..?  granted with some mild variations..

your candidate is no better than the other.

...

infact, your unyielding insistence that one side is right and another is wrong kind of makes you incredibly blind. Your opinion isnt the only one in the world, and no opinion is wrong.

Romney was not planning to move our country towards Communism. 

My unyielding insistence that one side is right is not blindness. I'm not a one-sided person. I consider both sides of things, and choose the one I believe is right. I research, I ask questions, and I study. It's standing up for what I believe. Yes, I'm quite aware it isn't the only one in the world, and I never said that I thought it WAS. And I disagree. There are such things as wrong opinions.

Yes. I do know. And I'm not being stuck-up either. About half the nation would agree with me. Sad to say, yet with all respect, our President has proven himself greatly uneducated. 

[ajspiano]

There are such things as wrong opinions.

..care to provide one for analysis? 

..personally i think this is a fundamentally wrong opinion.

"Romney would prefer to see passage of federal legislation or of a constitutional amendment that would outlaw abortion"

Tell me why its not, since I presume your on his side?

[clavile]

Like J_menz, I would encourage you to explain how your country is fundamentally different to mine..

and since, for example, my country has been significantly more stable post GFC than yours I'm not seeing how your system is better than ours..  because that can't have been about the guns..

..and you certainly arent saying why..

We haven't had a conservative government. Yes... it isn't about the guns....

I did. go read the Bill of Rights. If you still can't see, then, I give up.

[ajspiano]

We haven't had a conservative government. Yes... it isn't about the guns....

I did. go read the Bill of Rights. If you still can't see, then, I give up.

As J_menz said, there is nothing there that does not exist in our society - excusing the right to bear arms.

if you think otherwise you can feel free to be more specific.

[clavile]

..care to provide one for analysis? 

..personally i think this is a fundamentally wrong opinion.

"Romney would prefer to see passage of federal legislation or of a constitutional amendment that would outlaw abortion"

Tell me why its not, since I presume your on his side?

Abortion is the killing of an innocent life. I stand by this, and NOTHING anyone can say will change me. God gives ALL life, and to kill an innocent being -yes an unborn child is an innocent being- is an unforgivable sin. Imagine if we were to start performing abortions on animals to slow their growing populations. What would the animal rights activists do? They would SCREAM. Is an animal's life that much more important than a human's? It is PITIFUL, yes, pitiful that we live in a world that condones the killing of babies.

[clavile]

As J_menz said, there is nothing there that does not exist in our society - excusing the right to bear arms.

if you think otherwise you can feel free to be more specific.

Then read it again. I'm not going to change my mind.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Abortion is the killing of an innocent life. I stand by this, and NOTHING anyone can say will change me. God gives ALL life, and to kill an innocent being -yes an unborn child is an innocent being- is an unforgivable sin. Imagine if we were to start performing abortions on animals to slow their growing populations. What would the animal rights activists do? They would SCREAM. Is an animal's life that much more important than a human's? It is PITIFUL, yes, pitiful that we live in a world that condones the killing of babies.

Don't tell me you haven't killed a fly before...

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Imagine if we were to start performing abortions on animals to slow their growing populations. What would the animal rights activists do? They would SCREAM.

If it were to balance the ecosystem, then no.

[ajspiano]

Abortion is the killing of an innocent life. I stand by this, and NOTHING anyone can say will change me. God gives ALL life, and to kill an innocent being -yes an unborn child is an innocent being- is an unforgivable sin. Imagine if we were to start performing abortions on animals to slow their growing populations. What would the animal rights activists do? They would SCREAM. Is an animal's life that much more important than a human's? It is PITIFUL, yes, pitiful that we live in a world that condones the killing of babies.

Great, good point.

to kill an innocent being is wrong.

Cool, so you are a vegetarian? why is human life any more valuable than animal life? And just to be clear, we CULL animals on mass around the world to slow their growing populations and its an uncomfortable but valid choice because they are not able to be supported within our society. This is a choice that we as humans make when we preserve ourselves over animals - are you comfortable with that? Suppose you aren't, lets put you in charge.. we stop killing homeless dogs, where are you going to put the millions of them that stack up in a single year?

What about the children in 3rd world countries, ones that will grow up to be 5 years old before they may die of starvation? is their 5 years of suffering ok? is that better than a reduced population of humans? ..and in regard to that, you would be entitled to your opinion - but that does not make it right, or wrong. Its just an opinion.

This is why my opinion is right, but its also wrong. And so is yours, its right for who you are as a person.. its wrong for any number of other people.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I stand by this, and NOTHING anyone can say will change me.

I'm not a one-sided person.  I consider both sides of things

Card stacking and self contradiction fallacy.  

[clavile]

If it were to balance the ecosystem, then probably no.

Yeah. "You guys can't put lakes here because it will kill this species of bugs!!!! OOOOH MY GOOOOOSHHH! That would be terrible!! We just HAVE to save the little bugs that live under leaves and eat dirt which nobody even knows exists, so you'll just have to struggle during the summer droughts!!"

They sound realllyyy reasonable.

....Not going any farther with this btw....

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Yeah. "You guys can't put lakes here because it will kill this species of bugs!!!! OOOOH MY GOOOOOSHHH! That would be terrible!! We just HAVE to save the little bugs that live under leaves and eat dirt which nobody even knows exists, so you'll just have to struggle during the summer droughts!!"

....Not going any farther with this btw....

God gives ALL life, and to kill an innocent being  is an unforgivable sin

You're on a roll here!  Keep the fallacies coming!


It's good you're not going any farther with this.  Because you don't know what you're talking about.

[ajspiano]

... i see what just happened, innocent flies have less value than innocent humans. Not that I personally have a problem with that, but I do wonder where the attitude came from, and whether its ever been questioned...  and how you arrived at the answer that humans are more valuable than flies..

because humans are the major sponge that damages the entire planet, this is not true of flies..  humans get to survive because they are bigger and tougher, not because we matter more.

[clavile]

Great, good point.

to kill an innocent being is wrong.

Cool, so you are a vegetarian? why is human life any more valuable than animal life? And just to be clear, we CULL animals on mass around the world to slow their growing populations and its an uncomfortable but valid choice because they are not able to be supported within our society. This is a choice that we as humans make when we preserve ourselves over animals - are you comfortable with that? Suppose you aren't, lets put you in charge.. we stop killing homeless dogs, where are you going to put the millions of them that stack up in a single year?

What about the children in 3rd world countries, ones that will grow up to be 5 years old before they may die of starvation? is their 5 years of suffering ok? is that better than a reduced population of humans? ..and in regard to that, you would be entitled to your opinion - but that does not make it right, or wrong. Its just an opinion.

This is why my opinion is right, but its also wrong. And so is yours, its right for who you are as a person.. its wrong for any number of other people.

Nope, not a vegetarian. I'm referring to human morals. Killing animals is not murder. Killing humans is. If murder is wrong, why do you kill a child, even if it is unborn?


About 50,000,000 children have been murdered in their mother's wombs. How much more evil are we for this than Hitler who killed about 11 million people?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

I'm referring to human morals. Killing animals is not murder.

What makes humans better than all the other species on Earth?

[49410enrique]

Apart from the right to bear arms...

i love that right! totally wish i could exercise it. i mean i would be a total bad a$$ with these things. talk about beastly. no one would mess with me with claws like that!

[clavile]

This is my last post on this. I know a lot of you will probably lay into and laugh at me for quoting this, and cross me off as an another one of those "idiot Christians and Bible-hugers".--Not worried about that. This verse explains why I believe the things I've said, and you have challenged me on.


Genesis 1:26

Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."






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[j_menz]

I rest my case. The reason Obama was re-elected was because of blind and uneducated people like you. Yes-- maybe you don't live in America, but still, people who are blind.

That's the trouble with democracy, they let just anyone vote.

Winston Churchill once said that the best argument against democracy was a five minute conversation with the average constituent (English for voter). He nonetheless believed in it.

The whole principle is different between the Bill of Rights and the European Convention on Human Rights.

You will need to explain this as the distinction escapes me.

[j_menz]

our President has proven himself greatly uneducated. 

His Harvard law degree is obviously of less value than I had been lead to believe.  Any your high school must be a significantly underrated institution if it has made you better educated than that.

[j_menz]

go read the Bill of Rights. If you still can't see, then, I give up.

I have. And it's drafts, the Declaration of Independence, your Constitution of which it forms part, the various texts upon which it is based and a whole lot of comparative examples (including the 1936 Soviet one, which is extraordinarily good though it evidently lacked a bit in the interpretation and enforcement).

I repeat. What is so special about the US Bill of Rights? Apart from the right to bear arms, which I concede is unique (and deservedly so).