Last post wins!!!!!

[eee-_-]

Legato octave arpeggios

[j_tour]

Legato octave arpeggios

Arpeggiate octaves in a punctuated manner.   

Boy.

[lostinidlewonder]

No such thing as muscle memory.

No such thing as muscle or memory, what words are these? Stop making up random words.

But if there were LIIW could try for a prize in pounding off.

What???! You know why I didnt shake your hand before, it felt too prickly...... and moist. Mmmm moisture moisty moistness.

Legato octave arpeggios

You can double fist those.

[j_tour]

You can double fist those.

Spoken like a true prodigy.

[perfect_pitch]

Oh, I forgot that you are a gamer. 

Well, game on gently into the night.

I'm only an enthusiast... not a hard core gamer. There are people who get up at 3am to go on a raid because their favourite game has just released a DLC just so they can level up fast...

Screw that - 3am is for sleeping.

[lostinidlewonder]

Spoken like a true prodigy.

It certainly opens up new avenues.... or tunnels.

[j_tour]

It certainly opens up new avenues.... or tunnels.

It's like a sucking wound that won't ever heal. 

Highly recommended.

Legato octave arpeggios

Now this had me thinking....on the off chance this was a serious comment....why would anyone want to practice both hands, each holding an octave, arpeggios in legato, presumably without sustain pedal?

When would anyone need to use those?  I don't believe I've ever seen that in repertoire....maybe it's somewhere deep in Czerney or the Godowsky Chopin or something irrelevant, but probably not even there.

Yeah, sure, you can do it for short stretches, or apply the sustain pedal to do some XIXth C "bravura" effect, but I don't see the need to waste time on little tricks like that.

Hands separately, together forming an octave, sure....use those all the time....the Scherzo from Beethoven's Op. 27/1 is about as classic an example I can think of, where it comes off beautifully (if played well) but that's used all the time as a technique....however that's not how I'm understanding the initial concept as stated. 

Double octaves is fun for a very loud effect, and it comes up in Brahms a bit, among others....but it's not something I'd practice except for a particular piece.

Can one do it?  Yeah, sure, if one wants to be loud and obnoxious.  And it can be effective in certain pieces....such as the Brahms Op. 118/6....but it's not really worth practicing IMHO...you just learn it for such-and-such a piece and that's it.  It's not really that difficult, but it's really an effect best used sparingly, at best.

Screw that - 3am is for sleeping.

Yeah, I wish.  If I'm lucky I'm asleep by 0300 local time. 

Insomnia is a hell of a drug....and it means I can never plan to do anything prior to 1400 or so the next "morning" without going into heavy sleep debt.

Which makes me angry.  And people don't like it when I'm angry.  That's how people get shot!

And watch your language....there are women and children present, boy.

[perfect_pitch]

And watch your language....there are women and children present, boy.

If you think the word Screw is a naughty word... what do you think of Wesley Willis and his lyrics...

Seems a bit hypocritical, don't you think???

[j_tour]

Seems a bit hypocritical, don't you think???

Well, here's the thing:  I don't actually think "screw" is a naughty word. 

I was just screwing with you.

And Wesley Willis's artistic merit permits his creative use of language.

Since we're all artists here, I should hope, there should be no further discussion on the topic.

What are you, autistic or something?  Lighten up, Francis.

[lostinidlewonder]

An autistic hypocrite to be more accurate.

[j_tour]

An autistic hypocrite to be more accurate.

Yeah that's what your mom said last time I did her in the bunghole.  She right fancied that, she did.

[perfect_pitch]

And Wesley Willis's artistic merit permits his creative use of language.

Since we're all artists here, I should hope, there should be no further discussion on the topic.

I'll leave it at that... I just wanted to see what your response would be.

[j_tour]

I'll leave it at that... I just wanted to see what your response would be.

You're damned right you will.

[perfect_pitch]

You're damned right you will.

Anyway... shame that second assassination attempt on Trump failed. I thought Americans were meant to be
conniving, shifty, sneaky masters of surprise... and good shots.

Man barely made it anywhere near the ballroom.

[j_tour]

Anyway... shame that second assassination attempt on Trump failed.

I couldn't possibly comment on that terrible and tragic failing on the part of the.....

OK......I can't keep saying that without spraying liquid all over the keyboard.

What a shame that was.

Gun violence is really getting to be a problem.

They're just not that good at it!

Well....clearly the solution is to spend more time practicing.

Maybe if that fat hump could walk more than fifty yards it could be a nice challenge for a mag dump from a handgun.  Five inch groups should drop that load.

A drunken girl scout can do that.  And that was a target-rich environment! 

Yes, I blame the children.  Bunch of little sissymaries.

Clearly there should be more and better live-fire training exercises in public places.  Russia, China, and the US have been trying their best, but certain other locales have not been keeping up apace

[perfect_pitch]

Clearly there should be more and better live-fire training exercises in public places.  Russia, China, and the US have been trying their best, but certain other locales have not been keeping up apace

Nah... we'd rather have the ability to walk down the streets, attend schools, church (for those who are religious), shopping centres and post offices without the fear of being gunned down.

It's a great country we live in.

[j_tour]

It's a great country we live in.

And I'd be happy to no longer live in a fascist dictatorship ruled by paramilitary goons and their king and his and their abettors.

If ICE and the militarized domestic police....corrupt, and largely morally self-bankrupted police...have a stick? 

Eff it.  I have one too. 

None of this multi-tiered hierarchy of rights and privileges for me, mate.

And at least I'm properly trained, skilled, and equipped, unlike the majority of the civilian police and the tankies on the xenophobic front.

Your initial post on this topic was amusing, but you jerked your knee back too quickly.

Yes, it is a shame that a citizen could not have put down a fat, demented, retarded, diaper-wearing toddler who couldn't walk fifty feet much less fifty meters.  I'd have settled for Vance or Melanie (or whatever the hell her name is) or that mass-murderer RFK, Jr, although I'm not sure if that handicapped retard was there or not. 

So, there are lots of fine people on both sides.  I'm sure.

Nah... we'd rather have the ability to walk down the streets, attend schools, church (for those who are religious), shopping centres and post offices without the fear of being gunned down.

I do all of those things and more at least once a week.  Haven't been afraid yet, and haven't been shot at yet. 

Occasionally some bloke will get a bit too excited at a bar over a pocket billiards table, but a few words is all that's been needed.

Yes, I've been mugged, assaulted, pepper-sprayed directly into the eye a few times....the only place that violence occurred was in Paris, FR....but I still survived by using the language and not giving up anything.

[lostinidlewonder]

Yeah that's what your mom said last time I did her in the bunghole.  She right fancied that, she did.

Ah thats how she got aids

[j_tour]

Ah thats how she got aids

Well, yeah!  Duh.  Because she was from that place over there. 

That's how I got the AIDS and I've never even horked down a pork snake even once.

[lostinidlewonder]

But is your hearing better now? And how's the weight loss?

[j_tour]

And how's the weight loss?

Are you kidding me?

I've lost two hundred pounds in the past six months.

It's really changed my life.

And the ladies love it!

[lostinidlewonder]

Are you still washing yourself with a rag on a stick?

[j_tour]

Are you still washing yourself with a rag on a stick?

And twice on Sundays.

Ah thats how she got aids

OK, credit where it's due....that's pretty effing funny.  I don't know what the deal is with you and that other guy, but you're pretty quick with the witty jabs. 

IOW, LOL  No, it didn't take me a million trillion years to "get" the "joke," but it was a clever comment that still arouses a wry smile upon my face.

So how come the kids are so crappy now?  Did you not teach them well?  Did you beat them?  Homeschool them?  Send them to Australia?

Are you still washing yourself with a rag on a stick?

Can't remember.  Too fat.

[perfect_pitch]

And I'd be happy to no longer live in a fascist dictatorship ruled by paramilitary goons and their king and his and their abettors.

None of this multi-tiered hierarchy of rights and privileges for me, mate.

To be honest - the King really doesn't really influence the lives of the Australian people much. If Australia became a republic - very little would change for us... if anything at all.

Yes, it is a shame that a citizen could not have put down a fat, demented, retarded, diaper-wearing toddler who couldn't walk fifty feet much less fifty meters.  I'd have settled for Vance or Melanie (or whatever the hell her name is) or that mass-murderer RFK, Jr, although I'm not sure if that handicapped retard was there or not. 

You forgot "with a bad spray on tan". I mean for christs sake - he looks like a bloody Oompa-loompah.



Edit: Something needs to be done about automatically resizing pictures embedded on the site. There's a great little picture of him without looking like a bloody tangerine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1noo6ol/i_removed_trumps_orange_makeup_to_see_how_he/

I'd upload the picture but Reddit is pretty shitty about embedding pictures from their site and allowing others to use them.

Yes, I've been mugged, assaulted, pepper-sprayed directly into the eye a few times....the only place that violence occurred was in Paris, FR....but I still survived by using the language and not giving up anything.

Sounds like someone likes a bit of BDSM... how much did she charge you for the session?

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Legato octave arpeggios

Les Adieux beethoven

[j_tour]

Les Adieux beethoven

Have p_p fix the problem, in order that he may shut up about posting pictures of abominations.

What is the problem, anyway?  Which edition are you using?

You should be able to step on the sustain pedal to cover anything technical in this piece, although I admit it's not an easy sonata...especially musically.

Sounds like someone likes a bit of BDSM... how much did she charge you for the session?

Don't worry about it.

Fix the kid's problem with the Beethoven sonata, and don't ever post images of that eff-stain again, thank you very much.

[perfect_pitch]

...and don't ever post images of that eff-stain again, thank you very much.

But isn't he your great and exulted leader???

[j_tour]

But isn't he your great and exulted leader???

Yeah, you figured it out.

You cracked the code all right.

Fix the kid's problem, would you?

I can't find my copy right now, so I have to wait until the Zon delivers the edition maybe with the contribution of Claudio Arrau....it appears his contributions were primarily in fingerings, which I can ignore or possibly make use of. 

I've never used that edition, but seems an interesting edition to have around for middle-late Beethoven sonatas....for some reason Amazon didn't want to sell me just the latest Henle break-out edition, instead going through a third-party seller who would take forever to ship and deliver.

No, I've never used the various "collected sonatas" texts for Beethoven....always prefer the breakout editions (i.e., one Opus at a time) when adding a piece to my active repertoire, and truth be told, I don't know *Les Adieux* all that well.  So, I'll have something new to sightread and eff around with.  Of course I'm familiar with the sonata, but it's not fresh in my mind.....I don't have a clear aural picture of the piece as a whole....just fragments, really, from memory.

The little grey cells, they need to be woken up to deal with this one.

[perfect_pitch]

Fix the kid's problem, would you?

I can't find my copy right now, so I have to wait until the Zon delivers the edition maybe with the contribution of Claudio Arrau....it appears his contributions were primarily in fingerings, which I can ignore or possibly make use of. 

I've never used that edition, but seems an interesting edition to have around for middle-late Beethoven sonatas....for some reason Amazon didn't want to sell me just the latest Henle break-out edition, instead going through a third-party seller who would take forever to ship and deliver.

No, I've never used the various "collected sonatas" texts for Beethoven....always prefer the breakout editions (i.e., one Opus at a time) when adding a piece to my active repertoire, and truth be told, I don't know *Les Adieux* all that well.  So, I'll have something new to sightread and eff around with.  Of course I'm familiar with the sonata, but it's not fresh in my mind.....I don't have a clear aural picture of the piece as a whole....just fragments, really, from memory.

The little grey cells, they need to be woken up to deal with this one.

Never played that particular Sonata - never even sight-read that one... Can't help. Why are you pawning his problem onto me???

[j_tour]

Never played that particular Sonata - never even sight-read that one... Can't help. Why are you pawning his problem onto me???

Cause you're Mr. Perfect, of course!

Anyway, I don't know what the kid is blathering on about....like I was saying, I have to wait until tomorrow to open up the score and play through it.

Hey, better you than me to fix this kid's rack!

[perfect_pitch]

Cause you're Mr. Perfect, of course!

I have Perfect Pitch... that's about it. The only other perfect thing about me is that I haven't ever taken any illicit drugs... ever.

[j_tour]

The only other perfect thing about me is that I haven't ever taken any illicit drugs... ever.

So you mean "perfect" ironically, I guess.  Because that's far from ideal.

[perfect_pitch]

Hey - I don't mind a little coffee, and sugary things are a nice little treat, but I love my mind too much to mess about with drugs.

[j_tour]

Yes, ethanol is not toxic any part of the human body, therefore I approve.

Nice reasoning there, Steinberg.

Any amount of alcohol when not introduced to the body as either a solvent or as a disinfectant, among some scant other uses, is grievously harmful to the body of humans and any other mammal. 

There may be cultural benefits; however, ethanol is destructive to a mammalian body in any amount. 

That's why I'm having about twelve units of alcohol right now, but I'm not the one claiming it's some salve.

What is this crap "argument"?

So now sugars (such as one finds nearly everywhere among flora worldwide) and caffeine (likewise, there are small amounts of caffeine to be found among many plants which are regularly consumed by squares) are to be understood as drugs? 

Negatory, little buddy. 

I would say "Hope I die before I get old!" but I've already turned that corner as a middle-aged man.



what is eee or however he/she spells it going on about?

My new edition just got here right now by post...

There ain't no double octaves in there!

At least not in the sense I understand them.

Nicely bound edition....like I said, I prefer breakout editions for individual sonatas and such, but this is signature-bound, and the page turns seem reasonable.  Meh, I've liked the Peters bindings for larger books for a while, like the WTC and so forth, and this is no exception.  Plus the Claudio Arrau fingerings...one can either use them or not. 

Most important is that it lies flat on a music stand and doesn't have a glued spine to it, so one can flip back to any piece without much worry of excessive deterioration. 

No, I haven't played through *Les adieux* yet this time....maybe when I procure another twelve or so units of alcohol today I might...but I don't see any double octaves at all in the score.

Why didn't I see any double octave arpeggios in this piece just now?  Because there aren't any.

Damn kids.

[j_tour]

n/m, and start no sheet with me.

[perfect_pitch]

So now sugars (such as one finds nearly everywhere among flora worldwide) and caffeine (likewise, there are small amounts of caffeine to be found among many plants which are regularly consumed by squares) are to be understood as drugs? 

Negatory, little buddy. 

Erm... technically wrong. A Drug is by definition:

A medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

Sugar affects your brain - it triggers the release of dopamine.
Coffee is the same. It suppresses the feeling of tiredness.

[j_tour]

Erm... technically wrong. A Drug is by definition

Who's the tow-head? 

Oh, that eee must have just been talking about the octave passages in RH in the *Les adieux*....that's standard Beethoven.  Learn it, know it, live it.  And no, one doesn't really need to smudge it up with the sustain pedal so much, but looking at the score, it could be useful on occasion. 

Just part of the idiom. 

I learned it from Mike Damone from some movie.

[j_tour]

Legato octave arpeggios

So now that I know WTH you're talking about....just use alternate fingers on the top octaves, if you want a legato effect.  Octaves will never truly be legato, but it can sound like they are.

I didn't realize until I looked at *Les adieux* that's all you were talking about.

Beethoven uses legato one-hand legato octaves all the time.  Every piano sonata I can think of off-hand, certainly.

Beyond that?  How legato do you want that melody in RH octaves to sound?  And why?

Perhaps the Op. 81a might not be for you if you need some more rudimentary instruction or experience.

No, I'm not trying to be mean, but just realistic.  And study Brahms, who is very much invested in octaves, in a mere one hand or in double octaves.

Op. 26, both of Op. 27, and all the Bagatelles might give you some context.

IMHO that's just how Beethoven writes for the piano, in general.   

Gave him a fuller sound, I guess, especially on the pianos of his day.  It's not IMHO that difficult but one does have to commit to the sound.  And on a modern piano, IME, no, you don't need to step on the sustain pedal.

And, IIRC, pretty much throughout Beethoven's sonatas, he writes it so you can easily move in octaves without doing corny things like sliding from one octave to the next.  Not saying it's easy, I'm just saying LvB made it pretty easy for pianists.  After all, he was one himself.

Give us a measure number from Op. 81a and you'll get two dozen answers....some of them good.

OK....here's mm 24 continued from Op. 54 of Beethoven where you do have double octaves.  What do Beethoven's own instructions say?  "sempre forte e staccato."  I don't have the energy to see if that was the editor's note or Beethoven's own, but that was certainly performance practice of that era.

Double octave legato.

Yeah!  Sure!  How about just ONE hand carries in octaves and the LH (or RH) does a little Clementi bass or something? 

You cannot play *any* Beethoven without that.  Well, maybe the Op. 2 sonatas, I guess, but that's a defining feature of Beethoven's style. 

I don't see or remember that Beethoven used double octaves in Op 111 (which I cannot play....except as a punter....it's beyond my abilities to play all the variations through....but the first movement is fun, and it is amusing to try to get through as many of the variations in the second movement as one can).

[perfect_pitch]

Who's the tow-head? 

God damn - that movie must be old. Haven't seen Keifer Sutherland that young since... A few good men, I think?

[j_tour]

God damn - that movie must be old. Haven't seen Keifer Sutherland that young since... A few good men, I think?

Yeah, sure, that was the movie.

No, it was was actually a clip from The Lost Boys, which is and was a terrific cinematic blockbuster back in its day.

Former PM Paul Hogan sought votes to have this film banned from all Commonwealth nations, in that it promoted savagery, and diminished his own burgeoning stardom, including in his native homeland of Russia.

To this day, the former PM Hogan blames this film for his declining popularity among the cinema-going public in many regions of Australia.

Although it is on record that the former PM Hogan is the most revered leader among Australia as a country, by far, within recent memory.

Get the tow-head to transcribe these octaves.  God ahead, I dare you.  I double dare you. 

[perfect_pitch]

Former PM Paul Hogan sought votes to have this film banned from all Commonwealth nations, in that it promoted savagery, and diminished his own burgeoning stardom, including in his native homeland of Russia.

To this day, the former PM Hogan blames this film for his declining popularity among the cinema-going public in many regions of Australia.

Although it is on record that the former PM Hogan is the most revered leader among Australia as a country, by far, within recent memory.

1) Paul Hogans declining popularity was because people realised he was a sh*t actor.
2) Bob Hawke is commonly referred to the best Prime Minister in the last 40 years.
3) You've never even been to Australia... have you???

No one reveres Paul Hogan... no one.

[gasplamey]

i've had a "can do" attitude about unbrainwashing some trans kids at my school but it just doesn't work so i've kind of lost faith in that

Hey i know who you arfecdx now!
Typed wth my nose.

[moonlight88]

Anyway... shame that second assassination attempt on Trump failed. I thought Americans were meant to be
conniving, shifty, sneaky masters of surprise... and good shots.

Man barely made it anywhere near the ballroom.

yeah we don't have very good assassins kek
do you guys have any you could send our way

Hey i know who you arfecdx now!

sure you do

[gasplamey]

yeah we don't have very good assassins kek

Since whenr are youjedr poleitcial abotu anything othre than trans [peop[rle?

sure you do

NOt many rtrasntphobes arouns here nad even fewwwre as open asbout it as yuo were.😁

[j_tour]

No one reveres Paul Hogan... no one.

The Russians love him.

He is their version of Yakoff Smirnoff.

Very important figure over there.

[perfect_pitch]

The Russians love him.

Somehow I doubt that... even the Aussie's don't like him - his own COUNTRYMEN. . When he was whinging about being stuck in his $7 million mansion in Los Angeles 5 years during COVID, Aussies couldn't give 2 shits about him.

Described him as an entitled rich prick who was just looking for sympathy.

[j_tour]

Described him as an entitled rich prick who was just looking for sympathy.

Name one single British musician or actor who has not taken tax exile of some kind.

You cannot, because such a person does not nor ever has existed.

But name one person who has recently dropped the magazine, cleared the chamber, reloaded, reholstered, and said to the cretin improperly parked next to him:  "Nice parking.  What are you, retarded?"

Thumbs up to me! 

But she was a real bogan of a sheila.

NOt many rtrasntphobes arouns here nad even fewwwre as open asbout it as yuo were.

Actually my sister contracted Bell's Palsy and a number of other associated complications including diabetes following her complete liver transplant.  It's not an easy surgery to begin with, and she was on a waiting list for years, but something got effed up with an important duct, so she has to get cut again to have that fixed....supposedly.

So you could say I'm transplant-phobic....solves many problems, but is complicated.

I did put her on salary as executor of my dead parents' estate, though, so she's not completely useless, unlike some people one could consider.

Like every British artist of any generation and any genre who owns significant overseas holdings in a country with more tolerable tax policies for expatriates.  Such as any.

I also dislike it when people not born or at least raised in my state start moving here and attempting to change local customs.  You move to Pennsylvania (a state within the US)?  You order "one provy wit'"  You move to NYC?  "One coffee regular."  "Can I get a plain slice?"  One adapts.  Or one should.

So in at least two respects I'm transplant-phobic. 

[perfect_pitch]

Name one single British musician or actor who has not taken tax exile of some kind.

BRIAN COX (the actor, not the physicist).

Believes that the super-ultra rich should be taxed to help better the country as their tax would greatly help British roads, hospitals etc...

[j_tour]

BRIAN COX (the actor, not the physicist).

Yeah, but he kind of sucks, doesn't he?

[lostinidlewonder]

Sucks Cox