Last post wins!!!!!

[j_tour]

Wasn't there something about music composed for keyboard instruments about this forum?

Oh wait, I just found under a dumpster a grand piano, can you please tell me how much it costs to make for good music with or sell?

And also, am I allowed to play some of the Chopin préludes, even if my teacher says it's wrong?

And which Beethoven is the hardest?  Asking for a friend.

[perfect_pitch]

Wasn't there something about music composed for keyboard instruments about this forum?

Yes, but answering in those threads won't win you this entire forum thread... and it's a matter of pride.

Oh wait, I just found under a dumpster a grand piano, can you please tell me how much it costs to make for good music with or sell?

Keep it - a piano in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

And also, am I allowed to play some of the Chopin préludes, even if my teacher says it's wrong?

No... The elders of this forum got together and decided it was in our best interest not for you to play Chopin - humanity couldn't bear your rendition of it. Try some sxrxbjx.

And which Beethoven is the hardest?  Asking for a friend.

His 33rd sonata was ultimately the most difficult. I think just before he died, he drank 3/5th's of whiskey and created one of the most difficult pieces on the planet. It's in 4 movements, so I believe it's called 4'33".

On the other hand - I can't believe there are shops and online music stores that CHARGE for the score of 4'33". Is that like the worlds biggest joke or what?

[j_tour]

On the other hand - I can't believe there are shops and online music stores that CHARGE for the score of 4'33". Is that like the worlds biggest joke or what?

No.

My teacher says I cannot play it until I can play it slowly.

Am I allowed to play it anyway, or should I wait until my teacher says I'm ready?

[perfect_pitch]

Am I allowed to play it anyway, or should I wait until my teacher says I'm ready?

Sure... play it as fortissississimo has you want.   

[j_tour]

Sure... play it as fortissississimo has you want.   

But I'm concerned because my teacher says I need to work on my dynamics and touch.

Do you think I can practice it on my own, even though my teacher says not to?

[perfect_pitch]

Do you think I can practice it on my own, even though my teacher says not to?

I ALREADY SAID YES... Play it as loud as you can.

[j_tour]

I ALREADY SAID YES... Play it as loud as you can.

But my teacher said I'm not ready yet.

What other songs do you think I can learn while I'm preparing to be allowed to play 4'33"?

Do you think a Bach or is that too hard?  Bach sounds really hard.  But I can play the Hammerklavier, and all of Chopin's Scherzi and Ballades.

So which Bach do you think I should play?  And will my teacher get mad at me if I play a Bach?

[perfect_pitch]

Okay... this what should I play gambit is getting old.

Time for something different.

[lostinidlewonder]

Bach sounds really hard.  But I can play the Hammerklavier, and all of Chopin's Scherzi and Ballades.
So which Bach do you think I should play?  And will my teacher get mad at me if I play a Bach?

Yes teacher will get mad and smack you over the Bach until your Bach bleeds and you can no longer lie on your Bach. Just don't even talk about Debussy.

[j_tour]

Just don't even talk about Debussy.

Which fingerings should I use for Debussy?

They all seem good fingerings, but is there a right one so that my teacher won't get mad at me?

Also which is the best of Debussy?

[perfect_pitch]

Time for more Family Feud...

If I ever feel like I'm having a crappy day - this cheers me up.

[lostinidlewonder]

Which fingerings should I use for Debussy?

Maybe try the inverted 24 glissando with the RH?

They all seem good fingerings, but is there a right one so that my teacher won't get mad at me?

So long you are not too rough the teacher wont get mad. You can always practice fingering with the teacher themselves, it is good training and an experienced teacher knows a lot of fingering which are quite effective!

Also which is the best of Debussy?
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You want young Debussy, the older Debussy is a little dry.

[j_tour]

You want young Debussy, the older Debussy is a little dry.

Is young Debussy forgiving if one hits the instrument too hard or not so delicate?

And is that older Debussy needs more knowledge with foot to use pedal?

[lostinidlewonder]

Is young Debussy forgiving if one hits the instrument too hard or not so delicate?

You should never be rough and harsh with your playing unless the Debussy calls for it.

And is that older Debussy needs more knowledge with foot to use pedal?

Too much pedal is really dangerous when dealing with older Debussy. Generally avoid old Debussy when behind the wheel, it can cause a lot of frustration and can be quite dangerous.

[j_tour]

Generally avoid old Debussy when behind the wheel, it can cause a lot of frustration and can be quite dangerous.

Old Debussy.  Poured over a single cube of ice. 

[lostinidlewonder]

Ice is bad mkay?

[j_tour]

Ice is bad mkay?

It's fine.  Just use it socially!  Moderation is the key!

[perfect_pitch]

Hell no - I haven't even done marijuana. Coffee and liquor is all I need.

[novelsky]

Hi

[j_tour]

Hi

Well, well, well.

Looks like there's some fish about to be fried!  Some new meat!

How you like to take it, fish?

[perfect_pitch]

I like my fish steamed... this way it won't be charcoaled like some other methods of frying or cooking.

And I like my fish fresh...   

(Damn bloody picture won't embed... damnit, and it was a good one).   

[lostinidlewonder]

Hell no - I haven't even done marijuana. Coffee and liquor is all I need.

Alcohol is clearly much worse than pot, personally I'd rather be around pot heads than alcoholics!

[j_tour]

personally I'd rather be around pot heads than alcoholics!

Yeah, such stimulating conversation among reefer addicts.  "Dude, have you ever really looked at your hands?  It's like looking into the night sky, full of stars!  If you really start thinking about it!  These mashed potatoes are totally gritty, man!  So good!"  How many great novelists preferred weed to booze?

None?

I rest my case, you hophead.

[perfect_pitch]

See... Alcohol has inspired most of the great musicians, actors, writers and artists.

Not surgeons though... there don't seem to be many great drunk surgeons. Don't know why.

 

[lostinidlewonder]

I rest my case, you hophead

Rest your case on your beer belly, can open and look inside without much effort.

See... Alcohol has inspired most of the great musicians, actors, writers and artists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_through_alcohol

Let's look up deaths from pot.... oh wait.... i can't find it.... hmmm

[j_tour]

Let's look up deaths from pot.... oh wait.... i can't find it.... hmmm

Reefer cigarettes go hand-in-hand with those toughs wearing motorcycle jackets and wielding switchblades.

Those boys will fight to the death over a dame or an insult.

[lostinidlewonder]

Reefer cigarettes go hand-in-hand with those toughs wearing motorcycle jackets and wielding switchblades.

Those boys will fight to the death over a dame or an insult.

You watched too much Reefer Madness propoganda back in the 1930s old man. Who let you out of the nursing home???

[perfect_pitch]

Reefer cigarettes go hand-in-hand with those toughs wearing motorcycle jackets and wielding switchblades.

Those boys will fight to the death over a dame or an insult.

They way they're going in Australia - they'll fight to the death just for shits and giggles. I'm hoping they'll eventually wipe themselves out.

[j_tour]

They way they're going in Australia - they'll fight to the death just for shits and giggles. I'm hoping they'll eventually wipe themselves out.

The kangaroos or the dingos?

[perfect_pitch]

The Bikies... who mentioned anything about animals???

[j_tour]

The Bikies... who mentioned anything about animals???

[perfect_pitch]

I think they prefer the term 'overly effeminate'.   

[j_tour]

I think they prefer the term 'overly effeminate'.   

Nope.  Just the right amount of sheep.

[perfect_pitch]

Well, I've never understood the appeal of homosexuality anyway. I mean, if you have the same equipment they have - what fun can you have with their equipment that you can't already do with your own???

[j_tour]

Well, I've never understood the appeal of homosexuality anyway. I mean, if you have the same equipment they have - what fun can you have with their equipment that you can't already do with your own???

Well, I'm not an expert, but believe it or not, I am friends with some of that persuasion.  Not all of them have horrid taste in "music" and dress like wretched vampire emo gothic fops.  There might be one lurking in your neighborhood!

How should I know?  They just do stuff. 

It's a phenomenon that likely goes back to the cradle of civilization, way before Homeric times.

[perfect_pitch]

And to think the Bible and the Christians tried to stamp it out... guess it didn't work.     

[j_tour]

And to think the Bible and the Christians tried to stamp it out... guess it didn't work.     

Well, the epistles of Paul had some strong words, as does the current Catechism of the RCC, but I wouldn't take it too seriously. 

In my opinion, the current dogma of the RCC rests upon the notion of respect for one's mate, and fornication of whatever kind, bestiality, extra-marital affairs, and so forth, is held to be unnatural.

I don't pretend to be a not-fornicator, but it's internally consistent, I guess.

What the hell, I perv on my "students" at work every damned day, but at least they know they are appreciated.

No, not piano students, just younger kids I train in my job in logistics for a major concern.

[perfect_pitch]

What the hell, I perv on my "students" at work every damned day, but at least they know they are appreciated.

No, not piano students, just younger kids I train in my job in logistics for a major concern.

I don't know whether to take that seriously, or if you're just high on your moonshine like usual...

[j_tour]

I don't know whether to take that seriously, or if you're just high on your moonshine like usual...

I was not just drunk.  I was plastered.  Probably still am!

[perfect_pitch]

I was not just drunk.  I was plastered.  Probably still am!

[j_tour]

Don't you have a sport to watch or something?

[lostinidlewonder]

Your archaic cliches don't stand up to reality.

I think they prefer the term 'overly effeminate'.   

Lol I know some who are very masculine, much more so than us girly weak piano players lo0ol

And to think the Bible and the Christians tried to stamp it out... guess it didn't work.     

I'm Christian and never done such things nor encourage others to do so.

[perfect_pitch]

Don't you have a sport to watch or something?

I'm Scottish born and never got into the spirit of Scottish Football. Over there, it's more serious than Religion is. If you're Catholic, you HAVE TO go for Celtic; Protestant... you support Rangers.

Go into a pub and cheer on Celtic in front of a Rangers fan... you'll probably get glassed. At least you don't get that too much with Australia Football... although I don't know why they call it football, when half the time they're hugging the damn ball.

Lol I know some who are very masculine, much more so than us girly weak piano players lo0ol

I'm Scottish born, so I'm as hard as nails and definitely don't exude anything but masculinity.

I'm Christian and never done such things nor encourage others to do so.

I think the Christians have been a little more progressive than the Catholics... maybe I had meant to use 'Catholics' instead of Christians... although to me they seem almost interchangeable.

[lostinidlewonder]

For the layman being a pianist is far from anything masculine these days, it almost like saying you are a hairdresser lo0ol

II think the Christians have been a little more progressive than the Catholics...

There are progressive Catholics too which are starting to become a larger and larger portion. Fundamentalism really doesn't cut it for the newer generation and that is for the better. Hey maybe we can talk about it for many pages, that might make you finally quit this thread and make me the ultimate winner!!!!!

[j_tour]

I think the Christians have been a little more progressive than the Catholics... maybe I had meant to use 'Catholics' instead of Christians... although to me they seem almost interchangeable.

What are you blathering on about?  Do you suppose that Roman Catholics don't consider themselves Christians?  It's right there in the Nicene Creed, pronounced at every mass (except for a certain period when the shorter Apostles' Creed is substituted).  Christians first, then Catholic second, then rite (Roman, Orthodox of various kinds) at a finer level of granularity.

Other sects probably think The Church sacrifices babies at the altar, but I don't know much about those various protestant sects.

RCC:  pro-science (at least among the Jesuits), pro-evolution, pro-environmentalism, pro-economic egalitarianism.  They have some issues, in fact, many structural issues, but The Church is pretty much a bunch of progressive leftist hippies compared to many other sects.  There are factions within The Church, of course, but a great many are indeed politically active very much on the side of leftists by many standards.  Liberation Theology, for example, has a history of political activism in developing nations in Latin America, for example, and elsewhere.

And even though they pronounce it wrong, they love the Latin language, i.e. the universal language for nearly two millenia.  And anybody who doesn't "do" Latin can go pound sand, as it should be!  I don't own a copy of the *Nova Vulgata*, but the Sixto-Clementine Vulgate is the only translation I can authorize.

[perfect_pitch]

Well... they still have that lovely part where if a man lays with another man, they should be stoned - so obviously it still doesn't seem like they've truly moved on. Not that it affects me, but maybe someone should 'update' the bible.

Would be funny to see a couple of YOLO's in there, and some what's.   

[lostinidlewonder]

Leviticus doesn't apply to Christians. Your out of context reading doesn't stand up sorry. We widely accept many "abominations" and things worthy of death listed in the old testament (charging interest on loans, eating pork, a disrespectful child cursing their father or mother etc). You need to understand that there is progression and an unveiling of understanding over time, a common pattern when reading the bible. You can't blatantly apply ancient world law to today, you cannot read the bible with a contemporary perspective without understanding the ancient historical context. So yeah, better not try to discuss this unless you actually understand beyond the superficial level. I'm sure you'd have some ultra fundamentalists believe in what you are saying though, but they are a dying breed, people today don't really respect those perspectives and for good reasons.

[perfect_pitch]

Okay... interesting stuff. All I know is my life's been better since I stopped believing.

[lostinidlewonder]

I'm sure life would be better for many who no longer believe in a demented version of Christianity which aims to segregate and focuses on atonement theory.

[perfect_pitch]

I'm sure life would be better for many who no longer believe in a demented version of Christianity which aims to segregate and focuses on atonement theory.